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KING CHECKMATE
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.07.08 07:30:00 -
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Im playing a game right now and i have 5 people in the MCC doing nothing. 3 guysy behind the redline, 1 of them camping.
What does that leave you?
A game where you have to face full clan squads while you are stuck with A****** abusing ret**ded game mechanics. CCP do something...NOW. Newbies are getting stomped because they have to play with 3 more people vs 12 organized clan members .. and your numbers are gonne KEEP DROPPING until you address this. |
CRAZYHORSE ONE EIGHT
CowTek
IT Infotech
27
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Posted - 2013.07.08 07:34:00 -
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You forgot to mention the player afk whist raging on the forums 
But yeah, this crap needs to be fixed. |
Allah's Snackbar
Forty-Nine Fedayeen
Minmatar Republic
297
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Posted - 2013.07.08 07:36:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Im playing a game right now and i have 5 people in the MCC doing nothing. 3 guysy behind the redline, 1 of them camping.
What does that leave you? Dust?
C'mon man! No gaming company has ever been able to solve issues of AFK or spawn camping.
You ask the impossible.
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Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
220
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Posted - 2013.07.08 07:37:00 -
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You're playing right now? Stop wasting time on the forums and start helping our team! |
Michael Arck
sephiroth clones
General Tso's Alliance
160
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Posted - 2013.07.08 07:38:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Im playing a game right now and i have 5 people in the MCC doing nothing. 3 guysy behind the redline, 1 of them camping.
What does that leave you?
A game where you have to face full clan squads while you are stuck with A****** abusing ret**ded game mechanics. CCP do something...NOW. Newbies are getting stomped because they have to play with 3 more people vs 12 organized clan members .. and your numbers are gonne KEEP DROPPING until you address this.
No it won't. Campers are not going to chase me away from a game I really enjoy. Maybe you should just leave the battle for now (I mean exit out and submit a battle request) until there's a workaround or you get up with your clan/squadmates who actually play with you.
And that's good the newbies getting stomped. You know, in spring training when I played some football, they put me up against seniors (I was a sophomore) and the would knock me on my kitten so hard that I had snot bubbles. You know what I did?
Got back up and went more. There is victory in losing that you gain information. What you do with that valuable information is on that person. |
Alucard Fang
Sand Mercenary Corps Inc.
Interstellar Conquest Enterprises
113
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Posted - 2013.07.08 07:38:00 -
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At least Snipers can't hide up there and shoot at you anymore. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
374
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Posted - 2013.07.08 07:39:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Im playing a game right now and i have 5 people in the MCC doing nothing. 3 guysy behind the redline, 1 of them camping.
What does that leave you?
A game where you have to face full clan squads while you are stuck with A****** abusing ret**ded game mechanics. CCP do something...NOW. Newbies are getting stomped because they have to play with 3 more people vs 12 organized clan members .. and your numbers are gonne KEEP DROPPING until you address this.
What you would need to give me to stop this MCC camping is a meaningful academy up to 1-1.5 Million SP, then meaningful match making its only makes sense in a game with region war prices to have match making to keep the useless low SP mercs from cocking up you operation and the upper class mercs from crashing on either team due to how much it would cost t hire them. |
Dr Allopathy
Raging Pack of Homos
39
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Posted - 2013.07.08 07:43:00 -
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Or you could just ignore winning the objectives, and focus on banking on isk and WP |
KING CHECKMATE
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
League of Infamy
297
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Posted - 2013.07.08 08:51:00 -
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Allah's Snackbar wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Im playing a game right now and i have 5 people in the MCC doing nothing. 3 guysy behind the redline, 1 of them camping.
What does that leave you? Dust? C'mon man! No gaming company has ever been able to solve issues of AFK or spawn camping. You ask the impossible.
MAG DID |
KING CHECKMATE
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
League of Infamy
297
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Posted - 2013.07.08 08:52:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Im playing a game right now and i have 5 people in the MCC doing nothing. 3 guysy behind the redline, 1 of them camping.
What does that leave you?
A game where you have to face full clan squads while you are stuck with A****** abusing ret**ded game mechanics. CCP do something...NOW. Newbies are getting stomped because they have to play with 3 more people vs 12 organized clan members .. and your numbers are gonne KEEP DROPPING until you address this. What you would need to give me to stop this MCC camping is a meaningful academy up to 1-1.5 Million SP, then meaningful match making its only makes sense in a game with region war prices to have match making to keep the useless low SP mercs from cocking up you operation and the upper class mercs from crashing on either team due to how much it would cost t hire them.
NO.OUT of the MCC in 25 secs or your clone dies. Out of the red Zone in 1 min, or your clone dies. EZ
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JimJones22
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2013.07.09 01:38:00 -
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AFK is a viable tactic in dust, hence the continued acceptance. |
Baracka Flocka Flame
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
442
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Posted - 2013.07.09 01:41:00 -
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You figure a game that tries to call itself an MMO would be against something like this and would have fixed it months ago but here we are.
Nothing like playing a game where the guy standing AFK in the MCC gets the same amount if not MORE SP than the people on the ground fighting all game. Never gets old. |
SENATOR KODOS
Absentee AFK Regiment
255
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Posted - 2013.07.09 01:43:00 -
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Im not gonna betray my corp so no. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
4750
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Posted - 2013.07.09 01:46:00 -
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If you spawn in on the MCC, you spawn in mid air inside the MCC in the middle of the open bay.
Problem temporarily solved. Of course they can AFK on the ground, but at least you can nudge them into the redline with an LAV for their trouble.
And I mean. Who doesn't have an LAV these days?
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Vavilia Lysenko
Company of Marcher Lords
Amarr Empire
124
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Posted - 2013.07.09 02:02:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:
NO.OUT of the MCC in 25 secs or your clone dies.
Sensible
KING CHECKMATE wrote:
Out of the red Zone in 1 min
Stupid |
KING CHECKMATE
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
League of Infamy
307
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Posted - 2013.07.09 02:05:00 -
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why...?
An insult does not equal an elaborate explanation. What do you need to do in the red-line for more than 1 minute...besides camping that is.
The fact that you agree without of the MCC in 25 secs becomes pointless if they can go out and hide behind a rock all game behind the red line.... |
Shion Typhon
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
103
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Posted - 2013.07.09 02:19:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:why...?
An insult does not equal an elaborate explanation. What do you need to do in the red-line for more than 1 minute...besides camping that is.
The fact that you agree without of the MCC in 25 secs becomes pointless if they can go out and hide behind a rock all game behind the red line....
Perhaps if you guys didn't roll as 8 to 10-man proto-stomper teams farming newbies yourselves, I could take this thread a little more seriously.
Last game I played against your corp in a pub match, took a couple of deaths, realised it was pointless trying to 1 v 2 HAVS+2 LAVs + 6 infantry then went to afk in the MCC while I got a coffee and waited for the farce, I mean match, to end. |
KING CHECKMATE
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
League of Infamy
309
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Posted - 2013.07.09 02:22:00 -
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Shion Typhon wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:why...?
An insult does not equal an elaborate explanation. What do you need to do in the red-line for more than 1 minute...besides camping that is.
The fact that you agree without of the MCC in 25 secs becomes pointless if they can go out and hide behind a rock all game behind the red line.... Perhaps if you guys didn't roll as 8 to 10-man proto-stomper teams farming newbies yourselves, I could take this thread a little more seriously. Last game I played against your corp in a pub match, took a couple of deaths, realised it was pointless trying to 1 v 2 HAVS+2 LAVs + 6 infantry then went to afk in the MCC while I got a coffee and waited for the farce, I mean match, to end.
Well if i cant play alone since i get 5-8 people camping every da*n game then i wouldnt have to play with my clan every single time.
Besides what your blurred image of my clan might tell you, im a scout and i do enjoy lone wolfing.... |
Twomanchew
G.R.A.V.E
26
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Posted - 2013.07.09 02:29:00 -
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Sometimes I have to pee So I will park my guy on the mcc. Hmmm that rhymes lol Or go and get a drink. But I always come back and jump to join the battle. |
Acezero 44
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement
Caldari State
48
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Posted - 2013.07.09 02:30:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Shion Typhon wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:why...?
An insult does not equal an elaborate explanation. What do you need to do in the red-line for more than 1 minute...besides camping that is.
The fact that you agree without of the MCC in 25 secs becomes pointless if they can go out and hide behind a rock all game behind the red line.... Perhaps if you guys didn't roll as 8 to 10-man proto-stomper teams farming newbies yourselves, I could take this thread a little more seriously. Last game I played against your corp in a pub match, took a couple of deaths, realised it was pointless trying to 1 v 2 HAVS+2 LAVs + 6 infantry then went to afk in the MCC while I got a coffee and waited for the farce, I mean match, to end. Well if i cant play alone since i get 5-8 people camping every da*n game then i wouldnt have to play with my clan every single time.
Besides what your blurred image of my clan might tell you, im a scout and i do enjoy lone wolfing....
I kinda have to agree with him, A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. will bash the 5 only people playing into the redline like tryhards..
no offense, but yea, you should have just posted how boring it is to faceroll pubs in a squad.
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Darken-Sol
BIG BAD W0LVES
Eternal Syndicate
506
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Posted - 2013.07.09 02:31:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Im playing a game right now and i have 5 people in the MCC doing nothing. 3 guysy behind the redline, 1 of them camping.
What does that leave you?
A game where you have to face full clan squads while you are stuck with A****** abusing ret**ded game mechanics. CCP do something...NOW. Newbies are getting stomped because they have to play with 3 more people vs 12 organized clan members .. and your numbers are gonne KEEP DROPPING until you address this.
singles should stay out of FW. people queue sync there so one side will be populated with corps who are ready for a fight.
i believe it is called the x x method. |
Khal V'Rani
Nephilim Initiative
160
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Posted - 2013.07.09 02:31:00 -
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Out of the redline in 1 minute...
What happens when a team gets redlined then? |
KING CHECKMATE
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
League of Infamy
311
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Posted - 2013.07.09 02:33:00 -
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MAking this post about my CORP instead of what im actually pointing out is pointless and childish.
PLUS what is a corp supposed to do besides, you know? PLAYING AS A TEAM?
Of course if the OTHER team wouldn't have 4-8 people sitting in the mcc they might have chance of at least putting up a fight. |
KING CHECKMATE
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
League of Infamy
311
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Posted - 2013.07.09 02:34:00 -
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Khal V'Rani wrote:Out of the redline in 1 minute...
What happens when a team gets redlined then?
Being 100% red lined is Impossible, i know as a fact you can always slip around, in any map.
give it 2 minutes then, so that you get to choose your attack route. |
Raist Soulforge
the troll hord
11
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Posted - 2013.07.09 02:38:00 -
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Khal V'Rani wrote:Out of the redline in 1 minute...
What happens when a team gets redlined then?
If they can't regroup, pull together as a team and find a way out of their hole.....guess it's game over, one way or the other?
Not sure you realize how much you may be supporting the idea. Logic could very well follow that a team lost a map because of too many AFK'ers. If so, what might have happened if everyone one was actively playing?
Either way, if you are unfortunate enough to get pushed back behind the lines like that, it's probably fair to say you've been beaten. |
KING CHECKMATE
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
League of Infamy
312
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Posted - 2013.07.09 02:47:00 -
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Raist Soulforge wrote:Khal V'Rani wrote:Out of the redline in 1 minute...
What happens when a team gets redlined then? If they can't regroup, pull together as a team and find a way out of their hole.....guess it's game over, one way or the other? Not sure you realize how much you may be supporting the idea. Logic could very well follow that a team lost a map because of too many AFK'ers. If so, what might have happened if everyone one was actively playing? Either way, if you are unfortunate enough to get pushed back behind the lines like that, it's probably fair to say you've been beaten.
^^ SENSE, he has it. |
GET ATMESON
NEW AGE EMPIRE
The Family Syndicate
41
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Posted - 2013.07.09 04:05:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Im playing a game right now and i have 5 people in the MCC doing nothing. 3 guysy behind the redline, 1 of them camping.
What does that leave you?
A game where you have to face full clan squads while you are stuck with A****** abusing ret**ded game mechanics. CCP do something...NOW. Newbies are getting stomped because they have to play with 3 more people vs 12 organized clan members .. and your numbers are gonne KEEP DROPPING until you address this.
OMG sir. You need to play an Ambush or an OMS until they come out with something to stop MCC camping |
Captain Wontubulous
Nova Corps Marines
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
19
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Posted - 2013.07.09 04:10:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:why...?
An insult does not equal an elaborate explanation. What do you need to do in the red-line for more than 1 minute...besides camping that is.
The fact that you agree with:''out of the MCC in 25 secs''
becomes pointless if they can go out and hide behind a rock all game behind the red line....
Because when the ground team is terrible at covering snipers and swarms, we need to have safe places. We try to provide teams with tactical cover but they often don't return the favour. Forcing all fits into the middle of a fire fight is a poor solution that can eliminate or inhibit severely 2 classes. We don't all want to run an AR build. |
Captain Wontubulous
Nova Corps Marines
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
19
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Posted - 2013.07.09 04:12:00 -
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Raist Soulforge wrote:Khal V'Rani wrote:Out of the redline in 1 minute...
What happens when a team gets redlined then? If they can't regroup, pull together as a team and find a way out of their hole.....guess it's game over, one way or the other? Not sure you realize how much you may be supporting the idea. Logic could very well follow that a team lost a map because of too many AFK'ers. If so, what might have happened if everyone one was actively playing? Either way, if you are unfortunate enough to get pushed back behind the lines like that, it's probably fair to say you've been beaten.
When one of the top corps costs you 30 suits because you have nowhere safe to go we will see how much you enjoy playing. |
Khal V'Rani
Nephilim Initiative
160
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Posted - 2013.07.09 04:45:00 -
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Raist Soulforge wrote:Khal V'Rani wrote:Out of the redline in 1 minute...
What happens when a team gets redlined then? If they can't regroup, pull together as a team and find a way out of their hole.....guess it's game over, one way or the other? Not sure you realize how much you may be supporting the idea. Logic could very well follow that a team lost a map because of too many AFK'ers. If so, what might have happened if everyone one was actively playing? Either way, if you are unfortunate enough to get pushed back behind the lines like that, it's probably fair to say you've been beaten.
What idea am I supporting again?
Redline useage? Afk'ing? 0 wp/sp behind the redline?
I asked a question. Nothing more.
I asked the question to further discussion. I've read alot of redline threads.
I see and agree with both sides of it as I've been on both sides.
I was merely looking for a better fleshed out idea of what the op was thinking.
Looking for something that might sway me one way or the other by way of a
different perception on the issue that I haven't read before. That's it.
And he provided an answer. Can't ask for more than that without more questions.
I honestly don't see what idea I am supporting.
But yes, my opinion is that less afk'ing would be better for the game.
The redline thing... Thats a different animal to me. Hence the question. |
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Shion Typhon
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.07.09 06:37:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:MAking this post about my CORP instead of what im actually pointing out is pointless and childish.
PLUS what is a corp supposed to do besides, you know? PLAYING AS A TEAM?
Of course if the OTHER team wouldn't have 4-8 people sitting in the mcc they might have chance of at least putting up a fight.
This isn't about your corp, I have nothing against you guys and I certainly don't fault you for wanting to play with your buddies.
Its the same problem with SVER, Dios, Grupo, whatever.
Its not your fault its just the game's ****** risk/reward/matchmaking mechanics that forces people to stomp/quit/afk/etc. |
Vavilia Lysenko
Company of Marcher Lords
Amarr Empire
126
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Posted - 2013.07.09 17:08:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:why...?
An insult does not equal an elaborate explanation. What do you need to do in the red-line for more than 1 minute...besides camping that is.
The fact that you agree with:''out of the MCC in 25 secs''
becomes pointless if they can go out and hide behind a rock all game behind the red line....
Ok let me elaborate, with regard to the redline issue.
There are many matches at the moment which involve one team being over-run by the other team.
It gets to the stage where there is nothing you can do but retreat, take cover and wait the match timer out.
There is absolutely no point in running out as an individual or in a group to face certain death. At that stage it is about not losing isk and getting through the match.
In those matches you get your sniper rifle (if you are not already carrying it) and try to inflict some pain on the opposing team. If you can kill just one of those expensive suits, then job done.
And as for being 100% redlined, it does happen. Saying that you know for a fact that it is impossible...
I absolutely agree that AFKers who sit behind a hill in the redline or in the MCC are arseholes, but there is no need to penalize players who are trying their best against overwhelming odds, just because a few players AFK.
The idea that you die if you stay in the redline is the dumbest idea I have heard, and there has been some wonderful competition in the whole redline discussion. It is actually pretty selfish, as selfish as the AFKers themselves
On a side note, I play EU TZ so I am not seeing as much of this AFKing as many people seem to be, I also try to enter FW matches as much as I can because some of the best fights are to be had there.
As for sniping, I go to where I get the best vantage point, if it's in the redline I really do not care. Although since the "Draw-distance stealth sniper nerf" if you are in the redline you can't be seeing very much at all through the scope.
Anyway I hope your tears have dried up since you created the thread.
If you are going to post ideas, try to come up with something that is a good solution for everyone playing, if you want to be taken seriously that is.
I've not given my solution to the problem because i can't think of one that makes any kind of sense.
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