imagine being in a 2 mil isk tank cruising the battle field with your squad, out of nowhere comes a solo av with basic swarm missiles and your squad does nothing about him, he fires his missiles and (your in a shield tank btw) a single missile out of 5 that he fires hits you and half of your shields are taken away. were not going to go through that so we found high ground and are ADAPTING to how you nerfed us yet again. I agree that the mechanics of seeing through buildings need to change but if you want us to come in the middle of the battle field then a solo av player shouldn't be able to damage us that much

I have to deal with AV just as much as you. Forge guns and Swarms hit me harder and I have less health, and zero cover in the air.

Yes, they need to fix AV balance. No, this will not stop redline railtanks and turrets.

I'm not blaming the tankers here for being "forced" into doing it, I'm blaming the mechanics for letting you. While simultaneously agreeing that AV is OP.

If AV was removed entirely though I would still have to deal with redline tanks and turrets. I'm tired of hearing 'nerf av' as a fix to THIS issue.

its what infantry did and it worked for them.

How about any damage of effect (knockback) is nullified if it came from the red zone?

Whatever. To be clear, despite current balance problems, redline in general is a horrible mechanic. It needs changed or removed entirely.

then you also need to give us a reason to charge straight into the battle field while half our hp goes down because of a single av grenade

Ambush is great for a dropship and 2 gunners since ppl cant spawn as AV, its why you see enforcers ther all the time

What do you mean people can't spawn as AV?

I never play skirmish or domination.

Makes the game stupid to be constantly shot at by something that I can do nothing about. Added with the fact that either will basically 2 shot a max EHP dropship is just more of a joke.

Imagine playing a game for 15 minutes in a dropsuit.
Except you're in a map where your enemy can see through all buildings and terrain.
Also your enemy is invisible/invincible snipers aiming at you the entire time.
Also you're in a scout suit.
Also that suit cost 1.5 million ISK and you've spent 15 million SP on it.

Now try to get anything done. Fun right?

That's what it's like being in the air, in a Dropship, in skirm or Dom. (or PC)

Too busy tryharding with ARs so AV doesnt happen as much due to no supply depots and the chances of spawning next to tryharding AR enemys waiting to roast your fast suit

Too busy tryharding with ARs so AV doesnt happen as much due to no supply depots and the chances of spawning next to tryharding AR enemys waiting to roast your fast suit

Once I die from a tank I immediately switch to AV.

As does any other good team, or competent players. Tank hunting is fun :P

Maybe, but propose a solution to the inevitable line-edge campers. Who would pop out just long enough to take a few shots and then slink back into their holes.