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Nguruthos IX
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
699
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Posted - 2013.07.07 21:32:00 -
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I never play skirmish or domination.
Makes the game stupid to be constantly shot at by something that I can do nothing about. Added with the fact that either will basically 2 shot a max EHP dropship is just more of a joke.
Imagine playing a game for 15 minutes in a dropsuit. Except you're in a map where your enemy can see through all buildings and terrain. Also your enemy is invisible/invincible snipers aiming at you the entire time. Also you're in a scout suit. Also that suit cost 1.5 million ISK and you've spent 15 million SP on it.
Now try to get anything done. Fun right?
That's what it's like being in the air, in a Dropship, in skirm or Dom. (or PC) |
Void Echo
Internal Error. League of Infamy
349
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Posted - 2013.07.07 21:43:00 -
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imagine being in a 2 mil isk tank cruising the battle field with your squad, out of nowhere comes a solo av with basic swarm missiles and your squad does nothing about him, he fires his missiles and (your in a shield tank btw) a single missile out of 5 that he fires hits you and half of your shields are taken away. were not going to go through that so we found high ground and are ADAPTING to how you nerfed us yet again. I agree that the mechanics of seeing through buildings need to change but if you want us to come in the middle of the battle field then a solo av player shouldn't be able to damage us that much |
Jason Pearson
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1716
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Posted - 2013.07.07 21:45:00 -
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Be like Sonic. Gotta go fast. |
Nguruthos IX
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
699
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Posted - 2013.07.07 22:06:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:imagine being in a 2 mil isk tank cruising the battle field with your squad, out of nowhere comes a solo av with basic swarm missiles and your squad does nothing about him, he fires his missiles and (your in a shield tank btw) a single missile out of 5 that he fires hits you and half of your shields are taken away. were not going to go through that so we found high ground and are ADAPTING to how you nerfed us yet again. I agree that the mechanics of seeing through buildings need to change but if you want us to come in the middle of the battle field then a solo av player shouldn't be able to damage us that much
I have to deal with AV just as much as you. Forge guns and Swarms hit me harder and I have less health, and zero cover in the air.
Yes, they need to fix AV balance. No, this will not stop redline railtanks and turrets.
I'm not blaming the tankers here for being "forced" into doing it, I'm blaming the mechanics for letting you. While simultaneously agreeing that AV is OP.
If AV was removed entirely though I would still have to deal with redline tanks and turrets. I'm tired of hearing 'nerf av' as a fix to THIS issue. |
Void Echo
Internal Error. League of Infamy
350
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Posted - 2013.07.07 22:09:00 -
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Nguruthos IX wrote:Void Echo wrote:imagine being in a 2 mil isk tank cruising the battle field with your squad, out of nowhere comes a solo av with basic swarm missiles and your squad does nothing about him, he fires his missiles and (your in a shield tank btw) a single missile out of 5 that he fires hits you and half of your shields are taken away. were not going to go through that so we found high ground and are ADAPTING to how you nerfed us yet again. I agree that the mechanics of seeing through buildings need to change but if you want us to come in the middle of the battle field then a solo av player shouldn't be able to damage us that much I have to deal with AV just as much as you. Forge guns and Swarms hit me harder and I have less health, and zero cover in the air. Yes, they need to fix AV balance. No, this will not stop redline railtanks and turrets. I'm not blaming the tankers here for being "forced" into doing it, I'm blaming the mechanics for letting you. While simultaneously agreeing that AV is OP. If AV was removed entirely though I would still have to deal with redline tanks and turrets. I'm tired of hearing 'nerf av' as a fix to THIS issue.
its what infantry did and it worked for them. |
loumanchew
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
55
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Posted - 2013.07.07 22:10:00 -
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How about any damage of effect (knockback) is nullified if it came from the red zone? |
Nguruthos IX
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
699
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Posted - 2013.07.07 22:10:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:Nguruthos IX wrote:Void Echo wrote:imagine being in a 2 mil isk tank cruising the battle field with your squad, out of nowhere comes a solo av with basic swarm missiles and your squad does nothing about him, he fires his missiles and (your in a shield tank btw) a single missile out of 5 that he fires hits you and half of your shields are taken away. were not going to go through that so we found high ground and are ADAPTING to how you nerfed us yet again. I agree that the mechanics of seeing through buildings need to change but if you want us to come in the middle of the battle field then a solo av player shouldn't be able to damage us that much I have to deal with AV just as much as you. Forge guns and Swarms hit me harder and I have less health, and zero cover in the air. Yes, they need to fix AV balance. No, this will not stop redline railtanks and turrets. I'm not blaming the tankers here for being "forced" into doing it, I'm blaming the mechanics for letting you. While simultaneously agreeing that AV is OP. If AV was removed entirely though I would still have to deal with redline tanks and turrets. I'm tired of hearing 'nerf av' as a fix to THIS issue. its what infantry did and it worked for them.
Whatever. To be clear, despite current balance problems, redline in general is a horrible mechanic. It needs changed or removed entirely. |
Nguruthos IX
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
699
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Posted - 2013.07.07 22:12:00 -
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loumanchew wrote:How about any damage of effect (knockback) is nullified if it came from the red zone?
Maybe, but propose a solution to the inevitable line-edge campers. Who would pop out just long enough to take a few shots and then slink back into their holes. |
Void Echo
Internal Error. League of Infamy
350
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Posted - 2013.07.07 22:15:00 -
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Nguruthos IX wrote:Void Echo wrote:Nguruthos IX wrote:Void Echo wrote:imagine being in a 2 mil isk tank cruising the battle field with your squad, out of nowhere comes a solo av with basic swarm missiles and your squad does nothing about him, he fires his missiles and (your in a shield tank btw) a single missile out of 5 that he fires hits you and half of your shields are taken away. were not going to go through that so we found high ground and are ADAPTING to how you nerfed us yet again. I agree that the mechanics of seeing through buildings need to change but if you want us to come in the middle of the battle field then a solo av player shouldn't be able to damage us that much I have to deal with AV just as much as you. Forge guns and Swarms hit me harder and I have less health, and zero cover in the air. Yes, they need to fix AV balance. No, this will not stop redline railtanks and turrets. I'm not blaming the tankers here for being "forced" into doing it, I'm blaming the mechanics for letting you. While simultaneously agreeing that AV is OP. If AV was removed entirely though I would still have to deal with redline tanks and turrets. I'm tired of hearing 'nerf av' as a fix to THIS issue. its what infantry did and it worked for them. Whatever. To be clear, despite current balance problems, redline in general is a horrible mechanic. It needs changed or removed entirely.
then you also need to give us a reason to charge straight into the battle field while half our hp goes down because of a single av grenade |
Nguruthos IX
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
699
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Posted - 2013.07.07 22:19:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:Nguruthos IX wrote:Void Echo wrote:Nguruthos IX wrote:Void Echo wrote:imagine being in a 2 mil isk tank cruising the battle field with your squad, out of nowhere comes a solo av with basic swarm missiles and your squad does nothing about him, he fires his missiles and (your in a shield tank btw) a single missile out of 5 that he fires hits you and half of your shields are taken away. were not going to go through that so we found high ground and are ADAPTING to how you nerfed us yet again. I agree that the mechanics of seeing through buildings need to change but if you want us to come in the middle of the battle field then a solo av player shouldn't be able to damage us that much I have to deal with AV just as much as you. Forge guns and Swarms hit me harder and I have less health, and zero cover in the air. Yes, they need to fix AV balance. No, this will not stop redline railtanks and turrets. I'm not blaming the tankers here for being "forced" into doing it, I'm blaming the mechanics for letting you. While simultaneously agreeing that AV is OP. If AV was removed entirely though I would still have to deal with redline tanks and turrets. I'm tired of hearing 'nerf av' as a fix to THIS issue. its what infantry did and it worked for them. Whatever. To be clear, despite current balance problems, redline in general is a horrible mechanic. It needs changed or removed entirely. then you also need to give us a reason to charge straight into the battle field while half our hp goes down because of a single av grenade
sure. CCP already said they're going to do a specific vehicle vs AV balance pass sometime later. So there, now about that redline. |
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
609
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Posted - 2013.07.07 22:21:00 -
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Ambush is great for a dropship and 2 gunners since ppl cant spawn as AV, its why you see enforcers ther all the time |
Nguruthos IX
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
699
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Posted - 2013.07.07 22:25:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Ambush is great for a dropship and 2 gunners since ppl cant spawn as AV, its why you see enforcers ther all the time
What do you mean people can't spawn as AV?
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Thumb Green
THE STAR BORN Dark Taboo
170
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Posted - 2013.07.07 22:35:00 -
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Getting stuck on a dipshit team full of random blueberries that either don't want to try to win or are just padding their kdr VS a stacked team of organized corp squads or even randoms that actually want to win is why I don't like to play domination or skirmish. Nothing makes me more angry than my squad doing the best they can to take objectives & fighting the entire enemy team while the rest of our team is off somewhere jacking off. |
Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
610
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Posted - 2013.07.07 23:27:00 -
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Nguruthos IX wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Ambush is great for a dropship and 2 gunners since ppl cant spawn as AV, its why you see enforcers ther all the time What do you mean people can't spawn as AV?
Too busy tryharding with ARs so AV doesnt happen as much due to no supply depots and the chances of spawning next to tryharding AR enemys waiting to roast your fast suit |
CharCharOdell
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
271
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Posted - 2013.07.07 23:27:00 -
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Nguruthos IX wrote:I never play skirmish or domination.
Makes the game stupid to be constantly shot at by something that I can do nothing about. Added with the fact that either will basically 2 shot a max EHP dropship is just more of a joke.
Imagine playing a game for 15 minutes in a dropsuit. Except you're in a map where your enemy can see through all buildings and terrain. Also your enemy is invisible/invincible snipers aiming at you the entire time. Also you're in a scout suit. Also that suit cost 1.5 million ISK and you've spent 15 million SP on it.
Now try to get anything done. Fun right?
That's what it's like being in the air, in a Dropship, in skirm or Dom. (or PC)
Good thing we have destroyers coming to counter your ridiculously OP dropships. |
Nguruthos IX
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
707
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Posted - 2013.07.07 23:34:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Nguruthos IX wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Ambush is great for a dropship and 2 gunners since ppl cant spawn as AV, its why you see enforcers ther all the time What do you mean people can't spawn as AV? Too busy tryharding with ARs so AV doesnt happen as much due to no supply depots and the chances of spawning next to tryharding AR enemys waiting to roast your fast suit I spawn militia FG all the time in ambush. They can 3 shot turrets in OMS, they cans still deny the entire map for a DS on penalty of death, and they can 1 shot proto suits.
militia FG is like a zero SP, new ambush players dream come true.
And people do switch to swarms the moment they die from a vehicle lol. |
Kane Fyea
DUST University Ivy League
634
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Posted - 2013.07.07 23:39:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Nguruthos IX wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Ambush is great for a dropship and 2 gunners since ppl cant spawn as AV, its why you see enforcers ther all the time What do you mean people can't spawn as AV? Too busy tryharding with ARs so AV doesnt happen as much due to no supply depots and the chances of spawning next to tryharding AR enemys waiting to roast your fast suit Once I die from a tank I immediately switch to AV. |
Nguruthos IX
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
723
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Posted - 2013.07.07 23:41:00 -
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Kane Fyea wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Nguruthos IX wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Ambush is great for a dropship and 2 gunners since ppl cant spawn as AV, its why you see enforcers ther all the time What do you mean people can't spawn as AV? Too busy tryharding with ARs so AV doesnt happen as much due to no supply depots and the chances of spawning next to tryharding AR enemys waiting to roast your fast suit Once I die from a tank I immediately switch to AV. As does any other good team, or competent players. Tank hunting is fun :P
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Kane Fyea
DUST University Ivy League
634
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Posted - 2013.07.07 23:45:00 -
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Nguruthos IX wrote:Kane Fyea wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Nguruthos IX wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Ambush is great for a dropship and 2 gunners since ppl cant spawn as AV, its why you see enforcers ther all the time What do you mean people can't spawn as AV? Too busy tryharding with ARs so AV doesnt happen as much due to no supply depots and the chances of spawning next to tryharding AR enemys waiting to roast your fast suit Once I die from a tank I immediately switch to AV. As does any other good team, or competent players. Tank hunting is fun :P I love hunting tanks + after I'm done I can start destroying the influx of LAVs that happens in every single match. Free LAVs = Free WP |
loumanchew
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
61
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Posted - 2013.07.08 02:27:00 -
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Nguruthos IX wrote:loumanchew wrote:How about any damage of effect (knockback) is nullified if it came from the red zone? Maybe, but propose a solution to the inevitable line-edge campers. Who would pop out just long enough to take a few shots and then slink back into their holes.
I was wondering about that as well. To me it's not the line per say but more the zone since they usually go on a high peak at the end of the red zone where no ship or swarms can get to. If I had to pick a solution however, it would be that each vehicule cannot spend more than a cumulative x time inside the red zone or it automatically kicks you out of the game and you lose your precious vehicule. |
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