DUST Search - Newsflash to HAV pilots

Nguruthos IX wrote:

Soldier of Mawat wrote:

Exmaple Core wrote:

Noo its not fair for one person to be able to solo a tank, not at all. it is not worth it to spend 2.5 mill on a tank and a single person blows you up. Does that sound appealing to any of the proto AV here? would you like to be on the reciving end? try see how long it takes you to quit dust like all the other tankers

What about proto AV? If I put the SP into AV I should have increased effectiveness against tanks to the point where I should solo lower end tanks very easily. I do agree though that it is incredibly stupid that one scrub with the starter AV can still do some significant damage to ADV level tanks. The real problem here though is that there are no proto tanks but there is still proto AV. Back in chromosome I remember trying to take out a few proto tanks and there was no way in heck that I was going to be soloing those tanks at any time.

and have you seen the officer forge gun?

What a joke
that thing makes killing EHP maxed dropships seem like slaying rats with your level 999 battle-mage-warrior-cleric-druid-paladin-chaos-bard.

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Scheneighnay McBob Blueberry Gunners 1943	Posted - 2013.07.07 18:16:00 - [1] - Quote All of your threads say that it should take multiple AVers to down an HAV, while a single AVer should just be a deterrent. News flash: AVers don't get WP for being scary, and using tons of teamwork just for everyone but one person to get an assist doesn't help us either. It currently takes a lone AVer to turn a profit- if there are more than 2, nobody is getting enough WP, and everyone is losing money. That is all.
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. CRONOS. 2219	Posted - 2013.07.07 18:17:00 - [2] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: All of your threads say that it should take multiple AVers to down an HAV, while a single AVer should just be a deterrent. News flash: AVers don't get WP for being scary, and using tons of teamwork just for everyone but one person to get an assist doesn't help us either. It currently takes a lone AVer to turn a profit- if there are more than 2, nobody is getting enough WP, and everyone is losing money. That is all. So that just means there's more that needs to be fixed. If you're trying to use that as an argument for a 200k Proto AV suit taking down a 2+ million ISK HAV solo, you're not getting anywhere.
Jason Pearson Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1708	Posted - 2013.07.07 18:23:00 - [3] - Quote News Flash to the AVers, my Falchion costs 2.5mil. That means you would have to die 10 times with a 250k fit to get close to how much I spent,. Asked the guys in SI who were AVers how often they die when taking down a tank, 4-5 times maximum solo. If you get a Proto Breach Forge with a Complex Damage mod, you'll be hitting about 3000HP per shot, right? That's enough to two shot my Railgun Gunnlogi costing 1.4mil. Everything comes down to price, you might not make your money back, but you won't go as far into red as I would if you die once.
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. CRONOS. 2222	Posted - 2013.07.07 18:26:00 - [4] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: News Flash to the AVers, my Falchion costs 2.5mil. That means you would have to die 10 times with a 250k fit to get close to how much I spent,. Asked the guys in SI who were AVers how often they die when taking down a tank, 4-5 times maximum solo. If you get a Proto Breach Forge with a Complex Damage mod, you'll be hitting about 3000HP per shot, right? That's enough to two shot my Railgun Gunnlogi costing 1.4mil. Everything comes down to price, you might not make your money back, but you won't go as far into red as I would if you die once. Precisely.
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 717	Posted - 2013.07.07 18:31:00 - [5] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: All of your threads say that it should take multiple AVers to down an HAV, while a single AVer should just be a deterrent. News flash: AVers don't get WP for being scary, and using tons of teamwork just for everyone but one person to get an assist doesn't help us either. It currently takes a lone AVer to turn a profit- if there are more than 2, nobody is getting enough WP, and everyone is losing money. That is all. cheaper fits.... its totally possible with AV if you die alot, its not really possible for HAVs. AV can die 6-12 a match and still make a profit. a HAV has to live atleast 3 matches to break even with so HTFU and multi AV don't lose ISK unless they die to much, its not about if they making the killing blow on an expensive vehicle, its about not losing your fits over the ISK return. totally wrong and you know better then that so stop posting incorrect information. even while AFK should make 100k ISK every match.
oso tiburon The Generals EoN. 87	Posted - 2013.07.07 18:34:00 - [6] - Quote boils down to our pay outs are shite
CharCharOdell Shining Flame Amarr Empire 267	Posted - 2013.07.07 18:49:00 - [7] - Quote Let us unite for higher payouts!
oso tiburon The Generals EoN. 88	Posted - 2013.07.07 19:05:00 - [8] - Quote and no one man should not be able to bring down an hav ... here grab an at4 go run solo after a t74 mbt and let me know how that works out for ya
Scheneighnay McBob Blueberry Gunners 1943	Posted - 2013.07.07 19:08:00 - [9] - Quote oso tiburon wrote: and no one man should not be able to bring down an hav ... here grab an at4 go run solo after a t74 mbt and let me know how that works out for ya Guess what, this is a game, therefor there's no such thing as the current race between weapons and armoring/ountermeasures Needing a team to down an HAV doesn't work because we won't get jack **** for WP when that happens. Especially since the driver usually just bails anyway and takes away even more WP.
Exmaple Core Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 461	Posted - 2013.07.07 19:17:00 - [10] - Quote Noo its not fair for one person to be able to solo a tank, not at all. it is not worth it to spend 2.5 mill on a tank and a single person blows you up. Does that sound appealing to any of the proto AV here? would you like to be on the reciving end? try see how long it takes you to quit dust like all the other tankers

Scheneighnay McBob Blueberry Gunners 1943	Posted - 2013.07.07 19:21:00 - [11] - Quote Exmaple Core wrote: Noo its not fair for one person to be able to solo a tank, not at all. it is not worth it to spend 2.5 mill on a tank and a single person blows you up. Does that sound appealing to any of the proto AV here? would you like to be on the reciving end? try see how long it takes you to quit dust like all the other tankers I fly an assault dropship. HAVs are at least guaranteed some WP. I only get WP if the enemy AV is terrible/nonexistent. Otherwise, I'm looping around the map with afterburners on hoping nobody hits me.
Soldier of Mawat Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 86	Posted - 2013.07.07 19:48:00 - [12] - Quote Exmaple Core wrote: Noo its not fair for one person to be able to solo a tank, not at all. it is not worth it to spend 2.5 mill on a tank and a single person blows you up. Does that sound appealing to any of the proto AV here? would you like to be on the reciving end? try see how long it takes you to quit dust like all the other tankers What about proto AV? If I put the SP into AV I should have increased effectiveness against tanks to the point where I should solo lower end tanks very easily. I do agree though that it is incredibly stupid that one scrub with the starter AV can still do some significant damage to ADV level tanks. The real problem here though is that there are no proto tanks but there is still proto AV. Back in chromosome I remember trying to take out a few proto tanks and there was no way in heck that I was going to be soloing those tanks at any time.
Nguruthos IX Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 699	Posted - 2013.07.07 19:50:00 - [13] - Quote Soldier of Mawat wrote: Exmaple Core wrote: Noo its not fair for one person to be able to solo a tank, not at all. it is not worth it to spend 2.5 mill on a tank and a single person blows you up. Does that sound appealing to any of the proto AV here? would you like to be on the reciving end? try see how long it takes you to quit dust like all the other tankers What about proto AV? If I put the SP into AV I should have increased effectiveness against tanks to the point where I should solo lower end tanks very easily. I do agree though that it is incredibly stupid that one scrub with the starter AV can still do some significant damage to ADV level tanks. The real problem here though is that there are no proto tanks but there is still proto AV. Back in chromosome I remember trying to take out a few proto tanks and there was no way in heck that I was going to be soloing those tanks at any time. and have you seen the officer forge gun? What a joke that thing makes killing EHP maxed dropships seem like slaying rats with your level 999 battle-mage-warrior-cleric-druid-paladin-chaos-bard.
Soldier of Mawat Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 86	Posted - 2013.07.07 19:57:00 - [14] - Quote Nguruthos IX wrote: Soldier of Mawat wrote: Exmaple Core wrote: Noo its not fair for one person to be able to solo a tank, not at all. it is not worth it to spend 2.5 mill on a tank and a single person blows you up. Does that sound appealing to any of the proto AV here? would you like to be on the reciving end? try see how long it takes you to quit dust like all the other tankers What about proto AV? If I put the SP into AV I should have increased effectiveness against tanks to the point where I should solo lower end tanks very easily. I do agree though that it is incredibly stupid that one scrub with the starter AV can still do some significant damage to ADV level tanks. The real problem here though is that there are no proto tanks but there is still proto AV. Back in chromosome I remember trying to take out a few proto tanks and there was no way in heck that I was going to be soloing those tanks at any time. and have you seen the officer forge gun? What a joke that thing makes killing EHP maxed dropships seem like slaying rats with your level 999 battle-mage-warrior-cleric-druid-paladin-chaos-bard. The real joke here is that I destroy derpships with only a few shots from my ADV swarm. Tankers don't have much to complain about compared to derpship pilots.
The legend345 0uter.Heaven 215	Posted - 2013.07.07 20:28:00 - [15] - Quote I didn't agree with ANYTHING you said. :O
Meeko Fent Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 163	Posted - 2013.07.07 21:08:00 - [16] - Quote Newsflash to all you idiots listening to Meeko News Network, If CCP brought the WP on Vehicle Damage back, then the issue that AVers don't get WP would be solved, and since the AVers are happy, then the Tankers can remain Strong and resilient to the one dickhead with a SL. Thanks for listening to MNN!
TooL 10000dayz The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 2	Posted - 2013.07.07 21:10:00 - [17] - Quote one day the Sagaris will return
Jason Pearson Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1714	Posted - 2013.07.07 21:12:00 - [18] - Quote TooL 10000dayz wrote: one day the Sagaris will return We salute you, mighty Sagaris, the one true upgrade from the Gunnlogi.
C Saunders Tech Guard General Tso's Alliance 366	Posted - 2013.07.07 21:27:00 - [19] - Quote oso tiburon wrote: and no one man should not be able to bring down an hav ... here grab an at4 go run solo after a t74 mbt and let me know how that works out for ya It only takes one man to blow the tracks off a real tank, so your logic is flawed.
Void Echo Internal Error. League of Infamy 349	Posted - 2013.07.07 21:35:00 - [20] - Quote news flash to AV and assaulters, its a 50 ton machine that can driver around the battle field, of course it should take a minimum of 2 AV players to take down a tank of the same tier. as you av continue to skill up you have the overall advantage since we don't have advanced or prototype tanks.

Void Echo Internal Error. League of Infamy 349	Posted - 2013.07.07 21:36:00 - [21] - Quote C Saunders wrote: oso tiburon wrote: and no one man should not be able to bring down an hav ... here grab an at4 go run solo after a t74 mbt and let me know how that works out for ya It only takes one man to blow the tracks off a real tank, so your logic is flawed. this is dust 514, not real life
Scheneighnay McBob Blueberry Gunners 1944	Posted - 2013.07.07 21:40:00 - [22] - Quote Void Echo wrote: news flash to AV and assaulters, its a 50 ton machine that can driver around the battle field, of course it should take a minimum of 2 AV players to take down a tank of the same tier. as you av continue to skill up you have the overall advantage since we don't have advanced or prototype tanks. Have you seen the physics on them? No way a 50 ton machine goes into the air that easily. And the point isn't for it to be realistic- the point is that AVers don't get **** for spending half the battle trying to blow up an HAV
Jason Pearson Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1716	Posted - 2013.07.07 21:42:00 - [23] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Void Echo wrote: news flash to AV and assaulters, its a 50 ton machine that can driver around the battle field, of course it should take a minimum of 2 AV players to take down a tank of the same tier. as you av continue to skill up you have the overall advantage since we don't have advanced or prototype tanks. Have you seen the physics on them? No way a 50 ton machine goes into the air that easily. And the point isn't for it to be realistic- the point is that AVers don't get **** for spending half the battle trying to blow up an HAV Yeah, bad AVers don't make money, neither do bad vehicle players, and bad vehicle players lose a lot more than bad AVers.
Void Echo Internal Error. League of Infamy 349	Posted - 2013.07.07 21:48:00 - [24] - Quote it costs us 10x more isk to bring our stuff into battle than it does for you, are you saying that its fair for us to risk losing 10 matches of profit in one game while you risk losing maybe 100k isk of profit a game? no its not fair, nothing you guys want is fair to us and were fighting back with everything we have to keep you from nerfing us to total uselessness which is almost there
Scheneighnay McBob Blueberry Gunners 1945	Posted - 2013.07.07 21:49:00 - [25] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Void Echo wrote: news flash to AV and assaulters, its a 50 ton machine that can driver around the battle field, of course it should take a minimum of 2 AV players to take down a tank of the same tier. as you av continue to skill up you have the overall advantage since we don't have advanced or prototype tanks. Have you seen the physics on them? No way a 50 ton machine goes into the air that easily. And the point isn't for it to be realistic- the point is that AVers don't get **** for spending half the battle trying to blow up an HAV Yeah, bad AVers don't make money, neither do bad vehicle players, and bad vehicle players lose a lot more than bad AVers. You're missing my point destroying an HAV (you hardly see more than 1 per battle after you bring AV out)- 150 points. Not counting the kill, because all but the worst drivers will bail. Assist for destroying an HAV- 75 points. AVers don't destroy many LAVs either, believe it or not. Usually, AVers resort to destroying installations for WP. But, if there's a group of AVers like you want, WP will be even worse. More AVers means more competition for the already limited amount of targets. We barely scratch by for money going solo- with competition, we die just as much, but get half the points. The problem isn't AV being too strong. It's vehicles being too expensive. If vehicles were cheaper, AV would actually be a steady source of WP because there would be more HAVs
Scheneighnay McBob Blueberry Gunners 1945	Posted - 2013.07.07 21:51:00 - [26] - Quote Void Echo wrote: it costs us 10x more isk to bring our stuff into battle than it does for you, are you saying that its fair for us to risk losing 10 matches of profit in one game while you risk losing maybe 100k isk of profit a game? no its not fair, nothing you guys want is fair to us and were fighting back with everything we have to keep you from nerfing us to total uselessness which is almost there Your version of "fighting back" is ignoring the real problem and instead asking for HAVs to be god-mode again. Seems like tankers never recovered from losing the massive buff they got in replication.
Void Echo Internal Error. League of Infamy 349	Posted - 2013.07.07 22:00:00 - [27] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Void Echo wrote: it costs us 10x more isk to bring our stuff into battle than it does for you, are you saying that its fair for us to risk losing 10 matches of profit in one game while you risk losing maybe 100k isk of profit a game? no its not fair, nothing you guys want is fair to us and were fighting back with everything we have to keep you from nerfing us to total uselessness which is almost there Your version of "fighting back" is ignoring the real problem and instead asking for HAVs to be god-mode again. Seems like tankers never recovered from losing the massive buff they got in replication. we haven't even recovered from the nerf known as enforcer tanks
Scheneighnay McBob Blueberry Gunners 1945	Posted - 2013.07.07 22:11:00 - [28] - Quote Void Echo wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Void Echo wrote: it costs us 10x more isk to bring our stuff into battle than it does for you, are you saying that its fair for us to risk losing 10 matches of profit in one game while you risk losing maybe 100k isk of profit a game? no its not fair, nothing you guys want is fair to us and were fighting back with everything we have to keep you from nerfing us to total uselessness which is almost there Your version of "fighting back" is ignoring the real problem and instead asking for HAVs to be god-mode again. Seems like tankers never recovered from losing the massive buff they got in replication. we haven't even recovered from the nerf known as enforcer tanks If you haven't noticed, the tech 2 HAV changes every few builds. First we had Black Ops, which were replaced by Marauder, and now Enforcer. Up next is Destroyer, which has improved tracking, as it's meant for AA.
Void Echo Internal Error. League of Infamy 350	Posted - 2013.07.07 22:12:00 - [29] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Void Echo wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Void Echo wrote: it costs us 10x more isk to bring our stuff into battle than it does for you, are you saying that its fair for us to risk losing 10 matches of profit in one game while you risk losing maybe 100k isk of profit a game? no its not fair, nothing you guys want is fair to us and were fighting back with everything we have to keep you from nerfing us to total uselessness which is almost there Your version of "fighting back" is ignoring the real problem and instead asking for HAVs to be god-mode again. Seems like tankers never recovered from losing the massive buff they got in replication. we haven't even recovered from the nerf known as enforcer tanks If you haven't noticed, the tech 2 HAV changes every few builds. First we had Black Ops, which were replaced by Marauder, and now Enforcer. Up next is Destroyer, which has improved tracking, as it's meant for AA. until then we have to deal with expensive militia tanks known as enforcers, we can only hope that the next tanks are actually worth skilling and buying into
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 609	Posted - 2013.07.07 22:15:00 - [30] - Quote https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=925183#post925183 Its somewhere in ther

Void Echo Internal Error. League of Infamy 350	Posted - 2013.07.07 22:19:00 - [31] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=925183#post925183 Its somewhere in ther that's a good thread, but when will it be implemented?
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 609	Posted - 2013.07.07 22:24:00 - [32] - Quote Void Echo wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=925183#post925183 Its somewhere in ther that's a good thread, but when will it be implemented? After all infantry gets all mods/skills/equipment/AV weapons/all weapons/all suits/PVE/PC being fixed/FW being fixed/FW LP added etc Basically prob never


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