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Cat Merc Oculus Felis 1835	Posted - 2013.07.07 04:27:00 - [1] - Quote Sometimes I wonder if people know there is a thing called armor tanking. I was just in a 2v1 fight, I dropped both of their shields (Caldari) and they went to cover. They threw a flux grenade at me, and tried to rush in with their shields still only 1/4th of the way until fully charged. I murdered both of them. This kind of stuff happens way too frequently. And it's not like they didn't know what I was, we were in spitting distance, we could clearly see our suit types. What, are they expecting me to shield tank in a Gallente suit? Ridicu... Wait... Even that's more effective than armor tanking. Never mind.
Cat Merc Oculus Felis 1835	Posted - 2013.07.07 04:30:00 - [2] - Quote RuckingFetard wrote: What was their suit level? One was prototype, another was advanced.
Cat Merc Oculus Felis 1837	Posted - 2013.07.07 06:28:00 - [3] - Quote Bettie Boop 2100190003 wrote: Adv Flux + Proto MD = dead squad most of the time. I run Gallente logi and am currently sitting at 180(ish) shields and 875 armor. I laugh at Flux grenades, hell halv the time Ill charge into a group cooking mine and just let it go off in my hands then mow em down with my MD. So yes, I armor tank and its funny to see how confused people are when my shields drop and I don't go for cover. How do you regenerate? Having 875 armor means you use all of your low slots for armor. Also, what's your speed?
Cat Merc Oculus Felis 1838	Posted - 2013.07.07 07:11:00 - [4] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Bettie Boop 2100190003 wrote: Adv Flux + Proto MD = dead squad most of the time. I run Gallente logi and am currently sitting at 180(ish) shields and 875 armor. I laugh at Flux grenades, hell halv the time Ill charge into a group cooking mine and just let it go off in my hands then mow em down with my MD. So yes, I armor tank and its funny to see how confused people are when my shields drop and I don't go for cover. How do you regenerate? Having 875 armor means you use all of your low slots for armor. Also, what's your speed? Hes a logi, they all armor repair without needing repair modules ah right, forgot about that. ... Gal Assaults really need that too.
Cat Merc Oculus Felis 1838	Posted - 2013.07.07 07:13:00 - [5] - Quote Vickers S Grunt wrote: Or uses wiakomi hives or has a logi buddy . Armor is underrated My logi bro can kick out nearly 250 reps a sec with 2 hives and a core rep tool . No one is coming threw that door or round that corner while we have that setup going ! 2 hives are destructible. A rep requires you to have one less gun firing, a standard AR with no skills or damage mods does 430 DPS. My setup gives me enough DPS to kill you beforea rep cycle even happens. Mind you, armor is extremely vulnerable to grenades, and your two nanohives? Destroyed. So all I need to do is throw a little grenade and laugh. Lastly, to get that you need to be a logi. Assault as usual is inferior to a logi >_>
Cat Merc Oculus Felis 1839	Posted - 2013.07.07 07:22:00 - [6] - Quote Vickers S Grunt wrote: Or uses wiakomi hives or has a logi buddy . Armor is underrated My logi bro can kick out nearly 250 reps a sec with 2 hives and a core rep tool . No one is coming threw that door or round that corner while we have that setup going ! Also, that's as edge case as edge case can get.
Cat Merc Oculus Felis 1840	Posted - 2013.07.07 07:31:00 - [7] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: I run a Commando suit with Laser Rifle and Assault Scrambler Rifle, but before 1.2 I ran Assault with semi-auto Scrambler Rifle and Assault Scrambler Pistol. Needless to say I'm always prepared to engage shield users. And 99% of the time I wipe their shields and they drop like flies. But that other 1% of the time . . . when I empty their shields and they continue to walk towards me like a wall . . . "WHAT IS THIS HERESY!?!?!" lol That's a dual tanker! Run to the hills!
Cat Merc Oculus Felis 1848	Posted - 2013.07.07 09:00:00 - [8] - Quote Let me explain to you how it works: The repairers only rep every 1 second. That means, if I can kill you within that one second, those reps don't do ****. In addition, that's as edge case as edge case can get, that setup requires huge SP + ISK + team work investment.
Cat Merc Oculus Felis 1848	Posted - 2013.07.07 09:14:00 - [9] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Vickers S Grunt wrote: Or uses wiakomi hives or has a logi buddy . Armor is underrated My logi bro can kick out nearly 250 reps a sec with 2 hives and a core rep tool . No one is coming threw that door or round that corner while we have that setup going ! I just discovered how powerful those things are. Armor is OP Edge case. If only those hives would regenerate, I hate being stuck near a supply depot. Also, low level armor tanking doesn't have access to that, and that's where armor sucks the most.
Cat Merc Oculus Felis 1848	Posted - 2013.07.07 10:07:00 - [10] - Quote Cosgar wrote: People don't realize Gallente > Caldari quite yet. I've been using Gallente for a while now. TBH? I don't see the upside. My PROTOSUIT is too tight to use an advanced nanohive, so having a repping one? lol, good luck.

Cat Merc Oculus Felis 1848	Posted - 2013.07.07 10:18:00 - [11] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Cat Merc wrote: I've been using Gallente for a while now. TBH? I don't see the upside. My PROTOSUIT is too tight to use an advanced nanohive, so having a repping one? lol, good luck. Gallente are the last suits that really need to use the repper hives since you can just regen tank and stack damage mods. Maybe when hybrid sidearms come out, you can free up some space for at least the K-D hives. HP buffer > Regen This is Dust in a nutshell Besides, Caldari get both more regen and HP buffer, so that. In addition to retaining their speed.
Cat Merc Oculus Felis 1848	Posted - 2013.07.07 10:31:00 - [12] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Cat Merc wrote: HP buffer > Regen This is Dust in a nutshell Besides, Caldari get both more regen and HP buffer, so that. I showed someone a Gallente fitting where they can stack damage mods, get 20~22 HP/s regen on their suit, and he went 19-3 the following round, only dying to a LLAV twice, and a sniper. The strafe speed change was a huge buff to armor since armor tankers have a constant HP regen that really comes in handy if you have some good footwork. It also made regen tanking more viable and shield energizers a must have for shield tankers that can't strafe... like CaLogis. So tell me your fit. Because I am having a hard time getting a good regen fit on my assault. Wait, you are probably talking about the Gal logi, which strafes just as much if not worse as a cal logi.
Cat Merc Oculus Felis 1848	Posted - 2013.07.07 10:42:00 - [13] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Cosgar wrote: Cat Merc wrote: HP buffer > Regen This is Dust in a nutshell Besides, Caldari get both more regen and HP buffer, so that. I showed someone a Gallente fitting where they can stack damage mods, get 20~22 HP/s regen on their suit, and he went 19-3 the following round, only dying to a LLAV twice, and a sniper. The strafe speed change was a huge buff to armor since armor tankers have a constant HP regen that really comes in handy if you have some good footwork. It also made regen tanking more viable and shield energizers a must have for shield tankers that can't strafe... like CaLogis. So tell me your fit. Because I am having a hard time getting a good regen fit on my assault. Wait, you are probably talking about the Gal logi, which strafes just as much if not worse as a cal logi. Nope, it's an assault fitting and only works because of the bonus: 2x CDM (3 if you have the PG) 3 Complex Reppers 1 Enhanced Repper GEK-38 (Duvolle if you have the PG) It's pretty much the Gallente version of a Minmatar assault. To be quite honest that's the worst fit I ever saw. (Out of the serious fits that is, joke fits don't count) Here is something that I constantly get 20+ kills with and a max of 3 deaths: 2x CDM 1x Complex extender 2x Complex reps 2x Basic plates Nanohive Locus grenade Duvolle AR SMG Though my Caldari fit on my alt is way better than this, but it works.
Cat Merc Oculus Felis 1848	Posted - 2013.07.07 10:52:00 - [14] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Cat Merc wrote: To be quite honest that's the worst fit I ever saw. Here is something that I constantly get 20+ kills with and a max of 3 deaths: 2x CDM 1x Complex extender 2x Complex reps 2x Basic plates Nanohive Locus grenade Duvolle AR SMG Though my Caldari fit on my alt is way better than this, but it works. Play around with it for a few rounds, you'll be surprised how much faster you are without waddling around with plates. Those plates drop me to 4.72 m/s walking and 6.94 m/s sprinting. I think I can take the speed hit. Also, your fit doesn't allow me to use anything else, armor repairers are CPU intensive and take the same slots as CPU enhancers. And I got electronics and engineering maxed out. I mean really, my problem isn't PG, it's CPU. Can't even put a grenade or a nanohive while using a GEK.
Cat Merc Oculus Felis 1849	Posted - 2013.07.07 11:15:00 - [15] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Delta 749 wrote: Ive toyed around with a build similar to that and can say it works fairly well but is definitely not made for slugging it out with the enemy Its more of a quick flanking and ducking in and out of cover style of suit That's the idea. Hit and run tactics with less downtime since you have full armor in less than 10 seconds. With the damage mods, you don't need a buffer because you kill fast enough. Shields can only buffer tank, armor is versatile. Slap some regulators on those, which go to low slots (still baffled at that decision), and you destroy any armor suit in both speed, HP and regen.
Cat Merc Oculus Felis 1849	Posted - 2013.07.07 11:40:00 - [16] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Cosgar wrote: Delta 749 wrote: Ive toyed around with a build similar to that and can say it works fairly well but is definitely not made for slugging it out with the enemy Its more of a quick flanking and ducking in and out of cover style of suit That's the idea. Hit and run tactics with less downtime since you have full armor in less than 10 seconds. With the damage mods, you don't need a buffer because you kill fast enough. Shields can only buffer tank, armor is versatile. Slap some regulators on those, which go to low slots (still baffled at that decision), and you destroy any armor suit in both speed, HP and regen. Flux grenades, lasers, and scrambler rifles will eat their lunch 9/10 of the time. Flux grenades don't kill them. I tested with 4 complex plates. A single core locus kills you. Your fit will die to two shots from a flaylock and two from a MD. Lasers and SCR do 120% to shields, explosives do 135% to armor. So armor is also losing the resist wars.
Cat Merc Oculus Felis 1849	Posted - 2013.07.07 11:50:00 - [17] - Quote DildoMcnutz wrote: I like this fit, i would probably drop a plate or repper for a cpu upgrade to slap on a K-2 and core locus though, the core locus are too delicious to give up. Core locus is the same CPU/PG req as the normal locus, so go ahead. Also, I did the math, if you upgrade your light weapons to lvl IV and Gallente assault to IV, you get just enough CPU to fit a K-2. I'm working on it as we speak.
Cat Merc Oculus Felis 1849	Posted - 2013.07.07 12:02:00 - [18] - Quote DildoMcnutz wrote: Ah yes, i did not take into consideration your assault bonus, i sometimes forget the exist because most bonus's are crap. There are only 2 assault suits cappable of running this type of setup without a fitting mod and all i see is the damn caldari one. I know everyone loves shield tanking but i really do feel the amarr and gallente assault suits are the best, as far as assault suits go IMO. Not really. Since shield is high slot you can use CPU/PG upgrades, and those give you far more than -25% CPU/PG on hybrid weaponry.
Cat Merc Oculus Felis 1849	Posted - 2013.07.07 12:17:00 - [19] - Quote DildoMcnutz wrote: Cat Merc wrote: DildoMcnutz wrote: Ah yes, i did not take into consideration your assault bonus, i sometimes forget the exist because most bonus's are crap. There are only 2 assault suits cappable of running this type of setup without a fitting mod and all i see is the damn caldari one. I know everyone loves shield tanking but i really do feel the amarr and gallente assault suits are the best, as far as assault suits go IMO. Not really. Since shield is high slot you can use CPU/PG upgrades, and those give you far more than -25% CPU/PG on hybrid weaponry. which leaves you with 2 slots to run what? you will want a repper in one and a plate or regulator in the other. To me with your setup you have a good regen rate for both your hp values, the caldari assault really cant unless he has no plates for all reps and then has 150 which sucks. Even if you just focus on your shield i still think hybrid tanking is superior but i just prefer the regen rate to big buffer. I have been there with the caldari assault suit before respec, i really do feel it is not up to par with the other 2 i mentioned. The problem is that when pure Shield/Armor tanking, Caldari shield tanking is superior in every way to Gallente armor tanking. Really the only reason I put an extender on is because anti armor weaponry does ridiculous amounts of damage to us (Anti shield weapons = 120% damage to shields, Anti armor weaponry = 135% damage to armor), so I would get two shotted by flaylocks or one shotted by grenades constantly. This also means that 400 armor < 400 shields.
Cat Merc Oculus Felis 1849	Posted - 2013.07.07 12:23:00 - [20] - Quote DildoMcnutz wrote: Yeh i do get what your saying man and i do agree, going completely in one direction shields is better than armour, but going down both roads is way better than just one. The setup your using is a good one, one of the guys i play with from nyain san uses a similar setup and he beasts all over everyone. Similar or same?

Cat Merc Oculus Felis 1853	Posted - 2013.07.07 14:50:00 - [21] - Quote Knightshade Belladonna wrote: LOL this happens to me alot to Cat , so many just assume because shield is better we all do it lol. Had some guy lob 3 flux at me last night after running behind a hill and then come out guns blazin after my shields were gone.. I was in a proto gallente logi lols, he was a cal assault ofc. he even knew I had a officer rifle from killing him 30 seconds earlier. sucks that just after the fight a damn militia sniper from the mcc caught me in the head piece :\ Yeah... To be honest snipers are too easy to use. No risk, all the reward, and in addition to that it's so easy! Snipers are hitscan. What they need to have is ballistics, drop off, travel time, etc'.