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Aisha Ctarl
The Generals EoN.
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Posted - 2013.07.05 13:01:00 -
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CCP, when the flaylock is the number one most used sidearm to the point where people are using it as their primary and secondary, perhaps, just maybe you have the signs of an unbalanced weapon on your hands.
Between fused locus grenades, the mass driver, and the flaylock, DUST has been inundated with nothing but explosive spam which is an armor tankers worst nightmare (btw the SCR is the only anti shield weapon besides flux grenades FYI CCP)
I mean I hope it isn't the case but I feel as if you all are just laid back high fiving and saying the game is great while you allow something like the flaylock (God's sidearm of choice) be spammed to death and to add insult to injury, shower DUST's arid lands with fused locus grenades.
When will some common sense kick in and someone realize that hey maybe there's a problem here. |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon Plus
1700
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Posted - 2013.07.05 13:05:00 -
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Aisha Ctarl wrote: (btw the SCR is the only anti shield weapon besides flux grenades FYI CCP)
This is not quite correct. The laser rifle also possesses a damage bonus to shields and a damage reduction to armour. Mind you, it's not particularly effective against either.
I agree with you though. The flaylock is too effective for what it is. |
Azura Sakura
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
191
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Posted - 2013.07.05 13:06:00 -
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Aisha Ctarl wrote:CCP, when the flaylock is the number one most used sidearm to the point where people are using it as their primary and secondary, perhaps, just maybe you have the signs of an unbalanced weapon on your hands.
Between fused locus grenades, the mass driver, and the flaylock, DUST has been inundated with nothing but explosive spam which is an armor tankers worst nightmare (btw the SCR is the only anti shield weapon besides flux grenades FYI CCP)
I mean I hope it isn't the case but I feel as if you all are just laid back high fiving and saying the game is great while you allow something like the flaylock (God's sidearm of choice) be spammed to death and to add insult to injury, shower DUST's arid lands with fused locus grenades.
When will some common sense kick in and someone realize that hey maybe there's a problem here. Well. We are talking about the same people that over nerf things lol. But yeah I agree with you. Because you don't see everyone running around with SMGs or Scambler pistols as a primary. FoTM weapon is to good and if they nerf Faylock they might migrate to Mass Driver? Already hard enough as a Armor tanker and with my low eHP lol. |
Django Quik
R.I.f.t
809
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Posted - 2013.07.05 13:09:00 -
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CCP have reams and reams of stats showing all sorts of things including what weapons are being used by how many people as well as how many kills are gained with what weapons. It's obvious to anyone who goes up against them how OP flaylocks are and I have no doubt CCP is seeing this reflected in their own stats. Just because they haven't come out an openly agreed with the community that it is OP (they never do this, even with the tac AR), it doesn't mean they're not seeing the issue. |
NAV HIV
The Generals EoN.
254
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Posted - 2013.07.05 13:21:00 -
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Django Quik wrote:CCP have reams and reams of stats showing all sorts of things including what weapons are being used by how many people as well as how many kills are gained with what weapons. It's obvious to anyone who goes up against them how OP flaylocks are and I have no doubt CCP is seeing this reflected in their own stats. Just because they haven't come out an openly agreed with the community that it is OP (they never do this, even with the tac AR), it doesn't mean they're not seeing the issue.
I really hope they. Not they the Flaylock bothers me much (I'm caldari )
But seriously, it's more effective than the mass driver. |
Aisha Ctarl
The Generals EoN.
415
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Posted - 2013.07.05 13:25:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Aisha Ctarl wrote: (btw the SCR is the only anti shield weapon besides flux grenades FYI CCP)
This is not quite correct. The laser rifle also possesses a damage bonus to shields and a damage reduction to armour. Mind you, it's not particularly effective against either. I agree with you though. The flaylock is too effective for what it is.
Forgot about the laser honestly. Since it has disappeared from use, I forgot of its existence.
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NAV HIV
The Generals EoN.
254
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Posted - 2013.07.05 13:27:00 -
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Aisha Ctarl wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Aisha Ctarl wrote: (btw the SCR is the only anti shield weapon besides flux grenades FYI CCP)
This is not quite correct. The laser rifle also possesses a damage bonus to shields and a damage reduction to armour. Mind you, it's not particularly effective against either. I agree with you though. The flaylock is too effective for what it is. Forgot about the laser honestly. Since it has disappeared from use, I forgot of its existence.
Well the i've seen a few viziams. They still hurt, but not as much. But the flaylock... We it doesn't need a nerf. Just tweaking... |
StubbyDucky
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
259
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Posted - 2013.07.05 14:35:00 -
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As a Flylock user I can tell you that it got nerfed and tweaked, .
Oh well back to using the OP AR group. |
Acturus Galaxy
Horizons' Edge Orion Empire
63
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Posted - 2013.07.05 14:49:00 -
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StubbyDucky wrote:As a Flylock user I can tell you that it got nerfed and tweaked, . Oh well back to using the OP AR group.
I hope that is not the case, I actually like being killed by the flaylock instead of the usual AR. Personally I run around with the plasma canon and are all in for anything that can diversify the battlefield. |
ChromeBreaker
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
632
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Posted - 2013.07.05 14:50:00 -
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Common sense... in my Dust... I think not sir |
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Aisha Ctarl
The Generals EoN.
417
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Posted - 2013.07.05 14:52:00 -
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StubbyDucky wrote:As a Flylock user I can tell you that it got nerfed and tweaked, . Oh well back to using the OP AR group.
No it didn't - the Core and Howlcage are just as OP as ever...even the GN-20 is pretty viable as well. |
Laurent Cazaderon
What The French CRONOS.
1699
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Posted - 2013.07.05 14:56:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Aisha Ctarl wrote: (btw the SCR is the only anti shield weapon besides flux grenades FYI CCP)
This is not quite correct. The laser rifle also possesses a damage bonus to shields and a damage reduction to armour. Mind you, it's not particularly effective against either. I agree with you though. The flaylock is too effective for what it is.
Scrambler pistol is also more effective against shield.
As for the flaylock, it's on CCP's radar. Been discussing with Wolfman and he's aware it needs to be tweaked. Considering how much the community ***** about it and tends to hate "aim at feet to win" things. I tend to suggest cutting the splash and radius by a lot and instead make it more rewarding when landing a direct hit.
As i said in another thread, more like torpedos that do most damage after penetrating the target. |
Aisha Ctarl
The Generals EoN.
417
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Posted - 2013.07.05 15:02:00 -
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Laurent Cazaderon wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Aisha Ctarl wrote: (btw the SCR is the only anti shield weapon besides flux grenades FYI CCP)
This is not quite correct. The laser rifle also possesses a damage bonus to shields and a damage reduction to armour. Mind you, it's not particularly effective against either. I agree with you though. The flaylock is too effective for what it is. Scrambler pistol is also more effective against shield. As for the flaylock, it's on CCP's radar. Been discussing with Wolfman and he's aware it needs to be tweaked. Considering how much the community ***** about it and tends to hate "aim at feet to win" things. I tend to suggest cutting the splash and radius by a lot and instead make it more rewarding when landing a direct hit. As i said in another thread, more like torpedos that do most damage after penetrating the target.
That would be a perfect fix. The damage is fine on the flaylocks, it's the splash damage that is the true issue. Decreasing the splash radius where a direct hit will do the most damage instead of "aim at the feet in the general direction of to win" would greatly alleviate the flaylock spam. |
Surt gods end
Demon Ronin
422
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Posted - 2013.07.05 20:47:00 -
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Aisha Ctarl wrote:CCP, when the flaylock is the number one most used sidearm to the point where people are using it as their primary and secondary, perhaps, just maybe you have the signs of an unbalanced weapon on your hands.
Between fused locus grenades, the mass driver, and the flaylock, DUST has been inundated with nothing but explosive spam which is an armor tankers worst nightmare (btw the SCR is the only anti shield weapon besides flux grenades FYI CCP)
I mean I hope it isn't the case but I feel as if you all are just laid back high fiving and saying the game is great while you allow something like the flaylock (God's sidearm of choice) be spammed to death and then to add insult to injury, shower DUST's arid lands with fused locus grenades.
When will some common sense kick in and someone realize that hey maybe there's a problem here.
ran in to a whole group with mass drivers in one match! needless to say it wasn't pretty. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
3059
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Posted - 2013.07.05 20:53:00 -
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First it was the swarm launchers.
Then the HMG.
Then the mass drivers.
Then the tactical assault rifles.
Now it's the flaylocks.
I wonder if my knives are next. |
J Lav
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
107
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Posted - 2013.07.05 20:57:00 -
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Surt gods end wrote:
ran in to a whole group with mass drivers in one match! needless to say it wasn't pretty.
Ran into a whole group with TAC ARs in one Match! Needless to say it wasn't pretty.
Insert any weapon in that sentence, in the right conditions and you'll come to the same conclusion. It's a skew, and easily beaten with another weapon or approach, range for example. Mass drivers require you to get above people, or reasonably close, so your above situation would be a lark for someone with a scrambler or TAC who can move.
The flaylock needs some tweaking, I agree, but a lot of players using a weapon is not a sign it's imbalanced, just popular. Splash radius should be a little smaller, and the rate of fire should be looked at. |
Daxxis KANNAH
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
142
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Posted - 2013.07.05 21:03:00 -
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I have no issue with either dropping the Core's radius slightly OR decreasing its splash damage some but this whole hit to kill is a bit much.
Some weapons should function like the Flaylock and I dont want to hear the skill argument when you can use and AR by placing on the target with your nice sights and just hold the trigger - no proper realistic recoil whatsoever (set it and forget it technique).
Also if they want to make that change they better sort out the whole projectile disappearing through the target issue first. |
Aquinarius Zoltanus
0uter.Heaven
132
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Posted - 2013.07.05 21:05:00 -
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I'm getting really tired of people lumping the Mass Driver in with the Flaylock and claiming that it takes no skill to use. Would you please give it a try first and see how you do before passing judgement?
I also think it's disingenuous to refer to the Mass Driver as 'explosive spam'. Its a gun that shoots explosives, what else do you expect? I could just as easily accuse AR users of 'bullet spam'. |
DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
553
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Posted - 2013.07.05 21:15:00 -
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I can shield tank my calogi to 670 shields, yet the flaylock stills eats me alive with extremely little effort. I can only imagine what it's like to armor tankers.
Flaylocks, LLAV's, and LAV spam in general is absolutely ridiculous right now. CCP better have addressed these issues in 1.3, they have had enough time and player feedback now to get it in this next patch. Sadly their failure knows no bounds, so it probably won't be fixed until 1.4 or 1.5, or maybe not until the next build |
Altina McAlterson
Not Guilty EoN.
608
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Posted - 2013.07.05 21:37:00 -
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So long as it is still able to finish someone off so that it is still viable as an actual sidearm I'd be good with a splash and radius nerf. Switched back to the lower tier weapons and if you take the time to aim and posses skill at playing the game they didn't let me down. |
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First Prophet
Jaguar Empire
226
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Posted - 2013.07.05 22:04:00 -
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MD is fine, don't touch it. Proto flaylocks are a bit OP. Nerf the splash damage a little. But don't make it so it's only direct hits are the way to do any damage. Contact grenades should be off the market. |
Reign Omega
Quafe Runners
28
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Posted - 2013.07.05 22:08:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:First it was the swarm launchers.
Then the HMG.
Then the mass drivers.
Then the tactical assault rifles.
Now it's the flaylocks.
I wonder if my knives are next.
dont forget Lasers before TACs... |
Aythadis Smith
The Generals EoN.
39
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Posted - 2013.07.05 22:08:00 -
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Laser pointer?!
That as become a rare sight. I question the amount of damage mods to use that toy
As for the Flaylock, it is way too potent. Well.... The core is. The lower tier ones could use a bump up, while the core needs to be taken back a step or 5 |
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