Yeah, that wouldnt make roving packs of nearly invincible guys at all

I like that :) I just start imaging the visuals for that. Balancing against the triage tool could be tricky but done by range...all in all +1

How about a No?

I just got an idea.
What if there was an armor repairer (the module, not equipment) that repaired the user slightly slower than a normal repairer, but repaired all the people around the user at that speed.

So if you have 4-5 people around you who all have it, you could have monster regeneration, as you all rep each other at the same time.

OooooooooO was this the fruits of our debate cat??? I like the idea!! Hell you could make a ton of varients of the suit too!

Standard does 2 hp/s for user and 5 hp/s for up to three people within range around you
Advanced does 3 hp/s for user and 8 for up to four people within a greater range around you
prototype does 5 hp/s for user and 10 hp/s for up to five people within a larger range around you.

Standard variant does 0 hp/s for user and does 8 hp/s for up to two people within range
advanced variant does 1 hp/s for user and 12 hp/s for up to three people within slightly greater range
prototype variant does 2 hp/s for user and 15 hp/s for up to five people within greater range of advanced.

Standard variant 2 does 1 hp/s for user and 5 hp/s for up to two people at extended range
advanced variant 2 does 2 hp/s for user and 7 hp/s for up to three people at even longer range
Prototype variant 2 does 3 hp/s for user and 10 hp/s for up to five people at even longer range then advanced.

KABOOM new, awesome, teamplaying module!!!

Yeah, that wouldnt make roving packs of nearly invincible guys at all

I was thinking like:
Prototype variant does 4hp/s to user and 4hp/s to unlimited amount of people.
Remember, you can use multiple of those, so lets say 2 of those?
8 per person.
Lets say 5 people?
8 * 5 = 40 regen for everybody!




And yes, that's a fruit from our debate :)

also quick note

with those numbers
what would the point the point be in repair module or logi players with rep tools ?

is it fun to fight against a pack of players who rep 80 armour per second ?

is it something that ever one would flock to ?
does it have a counter play ?

also quick note

with those numbers
what would the point the point be in repair module or logi players with rep tools ?

is it fun to fight against a pack of players who rep 80 armour per second ?

is it something that ever one would flock to ?
does it have a counter play ?

How about give a reason?

2 Slayers, 4 Spider Re(a)pearers + Rezz and if played well would be a complete wreckingball package.

how about they learn to play Solo first then when they group up, the extra Repair gives them++ health, do the wreckingball crews (only when they team up) really need another crutch to lean on ?

So far the current crutches arent enough?

Murder Taxis, Fused Nades Spam, 4 tanks inateam Spam, Caldari Logi, Tac Rifle (whenitwasawsome)...

Just accept my No when i give it to a crazy idea next time...

Bro, the standard AR does 430 DPS without any damage mods or skills.
I think you could handle 50-100 repair rate.
Or just make them disperse, throw a grenade >_>

Ugh DPS numbers thrown around like they mean something, not every bullet hits, dps rarely takes clip size and reload speed into account for some reason, etc etc
Throw potential damage per clip at me sure but dont say 4 guys on defense with these proposed repairing tools while 2 guys play defense is balanced

4 spider repairers = barely any HP.
Pick one off and the guy loses half of his regen and drops down to below 16.
Even if both are alive it's still 32, not that big of a deal when you consider AR's do 430 DPS.
And that's a standard AR, without any skills or damage mods.
Seriously, assuming they use 2 on each person, if THE ENTIRE TEAM grouped it, you get 96 regen.
That's an extreme case.

Ugh DPS numbers thrown around like they mean something, not every bullet hits, dps rarely takes clip size and reload speed into account for some reason, etc etc
Throw potential damage per clip at me sure but dont say 4 guys on defense with these proposed repairing tools while 2 guys play defense is balanced

Considering most peoples Accuracy rate is well below 20% while using fully automatic Assault Rifles your left with 86 actual DPS being applied to said repped @ 96 hp/s targets.

If those actual targets being fired upon would be for instance say "me" while being repped for more damage then the average player can dish out, idd be invincible appart from the actual "Good" players where if i am not being repped the fight ussually ends with him at 10% health while the other being dead, then that repping would mean i would win each and every one of them.

Like i said, No, Bad idea.

Considering most peoples Accuracy rate is well below 20% while using fully automatic Assault Rifles your left with 86 actual DPS being applied to said repped @ 96 hp/s targets.

If those actual targets being fired upon would be for instance say "me" while being repped for more damage then the average player can dish out, idd be invincible appart from the actual "Good" players where if i am not being repped the fight ussually ends with one at 10% health while the other being dead, then that repping would mean i would win each and every one of them.

Like i said, No, Bad idea.

I just got an idea.
What if there was an armor repairer (the module, not equipment) that repaired the user slightly slower than a normal repairer, but repaired all the people around the user at that speed.

So if you have 4-5 people around you who all have it, you could have monster regeneration, as you all rep each other at the same time.

So aim better?
Note, this is an extreme case, getting the entire team together.

So im trying to see where your argument was. I mean, you tried undermining his DPS argument, but failed to explain why the module itself would Be OP...... in my opinion, it would probably be like any other item you spam in this game. Have you ever considered what its like fighting a squad of logis all using proto locus grenades and nanohives as their main form of weaponry??? I did it and trust me..... its stupidly powerful.

A squad full of proto mass drivers??? tough to deal with......

A squad full of heavies? tough to deal with.

You could use the "if everyone uses this at once" argument with almost every weapon/module in the game, but at the end of the day theres almost always a counter for all of these things. With the exception of MCC AFK farming spam..... cant really counter that i guess.

Squad of 6 has for repairing, 2 on defense
2 focusing fire is usually more than enough to put someone down under normal cirumstances
All 6 constantly being repaired means they can shrug off any damage they do take and any half decent organized squad wont be using the defenders to soak up all the shots, you put in a simple rotation during movement and suddenly you are and whoever else is doing inconsequential damage to multiple targets while they continue to heal

How you didnt imagine this scenario and needed it explained to you is beyond me, Cat seemed to understand what I was going for just fine

yeahhhhh i'd like to see anybody just "shrug off" a grenade under their feet......

OKKKAYYYYY so i guess this is a 1 v 6 fight then...... LOL if its a 1 v 6 fight i don't think that guy is going to win..... 96 hp/s reps or not. If its a 6 v 6 then things change don't they??? all of a sudden that 86 DPS turns into 516 DPS and that 96 means a whole lot less doesn't it?

Let me introduce the Caldari Logi :)
They shrug off grenades just fine

But they don't benefit from this proposed "spider module" much do they??? Unless there brick tanking..... but that has its own disadvantages too......

Assuming everyone has a clear shot at Called targets at all time and assuming said target is a braindead idiot for standing still for 1 full second in fornt of a firing squad? Witch any good players knows not to do ?

Why asume everyone plays in 6 man squads at all times?

I'm joking :P

Ummmm idk if you read the other posts but the 96 hp/s regen figure was estimated when you have 12 people all using the complex version of this module standing within range of each other. The 86 DPS was a figure estimated from one man firing his gun having a 20% accuracy. So in reality, my 1 v 6 fight was actually very generous considering the stipulations that had already been set up prior to my post...... So ill say this again in a different way..... It doesn't matter how stupid, how smart, how big, how fast, how strong 1 man is in Dust 514. He WILL NOT win a 1 v 6 fight unless 5/6 of those people suddenly have all of their guns sucked up via orbital magnets. And even then it would still be a tough fight because they could all still melee the 1 guy....... so once again..... and ill try to make this abundantly clear for you. 96 hp/s regen or not, a 1 v 6 fight will not come out in favor of the 1 man side.

Aw damn, i must have been dreaming up all those 1 vs 6 teams ive rolled over in the past....

Aw damn, i must have been dreaming up all those 1 vs 6 teams ive rolled over in the past....

Clearly.....