DUST Search - [Request] Please remove the free LAV

Eris Ernaga wrote:

BuTtHuRtPEepZ wrote:

As in, please remove the free starter onikuma.

Now that vehicle spawns are faster and more fluid to control, the LAV spam is becoming ridiculous. I was in a skirmish match today (three objectives map) and in pure honestly the opposing team did nothing but spam LAVs. On that 1 map, the opposing team had 2 tanks (no complaint there) and 3 onikumas just driving around and running over anyone. I went swarm launchers for the entirety of the game since the opposing team always spawned a new vehicle once one was destroyed. I also had AV grenades equipped but what can av grenades do when three cars are rushing you at the same time? Please either remove the free starter LAV (onikuma) OR make it so 1 av grenade/swarm destroys it. Dust514 is not frogger.

Please learn how to deal with free LAVS or all LAVS for that matter.

1. Stay away from open areas as I always do easy spot to be road kill at.
2. Always bring AV grenades if you don't have any equipped follow step 1.
3. Bring a starter swarm launcher fit or equip a militia forge gun on a militia heavy
4. Find any instillation and blow them to hell
5. Stick with an ally chances are he's caring AV
6. Get in your tank or find an allied tank and blow the LAV to hell
7. Get in your own LAV and chase the guy around the map for an hour

If you can not do 1 through 7 you deserve to die.

Also how hard is it to get to somewhere the LAV just can't get you...


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BuTtHuRtPEepZ Raging Pack of Homos 33	Posted - 2013.07.04 05:19:00 - [1] - Quote As in, please remove the free starter onikuma. Now that vehicle spawns are faster and more fluid to control, the LAV spam is becoming ridiculous. I was in a skirmish match today (three objectives map) and in pure honestly the opposing team did nothing but spam LAVs. On that 1 map, the opposing team had 2 tanks (no complaint there) and 3 onikumas just driving around and running over anyone. I went swarm launchers for the entirety of the game since the opposing team always spawned a new vehicle once one was destroyed. I also had AV grenades equipped but what can av grenades do when three cars are rushing you at the same time? Please either remove the free starter LAV (onikuma) OR make it so 1 av grenade/swarm destroys it. Dust514 is not frogger.
BuTtHuRtPEepZ Raging Pack of Homos 33	Posted - 2013.07.04 05:47:00 - [2] - Quote Aizen Intiki wrote: 1 swarm AV nade for freefit LAV's? Yea sure, just not the skilled ones. Of course I would leave the skilled LAVs alone. I only want the free LAV gone or easier to be destroyed since its free. I am also not counting anything purchased with aur either. only the free starter onikuma.
BuTtHuRtPEepZ Raging Pack of Homos 35	Posted - 2013.07.05 04:43:00 - [3] - Quote Ferindar Radniref wrote: Here's an idea. Learn to dodge the Mad Taxi Drivers. Don't sit out in the roads? Use your STARTER AV fit to destroy LAVs, earning 90 WPs per kill? If anything, I'd like them to fix it to where my LAV doesn't pop a massive wheelie whenever I hit an enemy. I can understand bumps and minor changes to control, but right now, my Taxi Driver ends up losing all his momentum when he gets a Scout on the windshield. Though the starter Baloch is far better. Armor LAV, spawns with a Blaster instead of a Missile Turret that does almost no damage and never hits where you intend it to go, even at a standstill. Also, we're a lot more vulnerable driving LAVs, I've noticed. I've been getting headshots from SMGs and such at fair range, whilst moving. I like and hate this change. Here is what is wrong with this 1. The dude that is driving the free LAV still has access to all of his/her current gear (proto for example) 2. Having to Die, then switch to starter AV swarms in attempt to drop the LAV, in retaliation, the driver can pop out and shoot you with their current spec'd gear while you are wearing starter gear and defending yourself with a pistol VS their primary 3. Assuming you destroyed the vehicle in the process, said driver can simply call in another free LAV within 3 seconds vs your 10 second respawn 4. After respawn, said driver can be long gone. In this time, you have not been able to help your teammates capture/defend objectives since said driver is capturing/defending their's. What was your overall contribution to the team? 40 wp? 5. Yes, you can swarm from far away BUT in doing so you increase the chance of your team getting spawntrapped since they are missing 1 person in the action (while said driver is always in the action due to speed) Im not even saying much either. Simply 1 AV grenade/swarm for free LAV kills OR removal.
BuTtHuRtPEepZ Raging Pack of Homos 39	Posted - 2013.07.06 16:38:00 - [4] - Quote Eris Ernaga wrote: BuTtHuRtPEepZ wrote: As in, please remove the free starter onikuma. Now that vehicle spawns are faster and more fluid to control, the LAV spam is becoming ridiculous. I was in a skirmish match today (three objectives map) and in pure honestly the opposing team did nothing but spam LAVs. On that 1 map, the opposing team had 2 tanks (no complaint there) and 3 onikumas just driving around and running over anyone. I went swarm launchers for the entirety of the game since the opposing team always spawned a new vehicle once one was destroyed. I also had AV grenades equipped but what can av grenades do when three cars are rushing you at the same time? Please either remove the free starter LAV (onikuma) OR make it so 1 av grenade/swarm destroys it. Dust514 is not frogger. Please learn how to deal with free LAVS or all LAVS for that matter. 1. Stay away from open areas as I always do easy spot to be road kill at. 2. Always bring AV grenades if you don't have any equipped follow step 1. 3. Bring a starter swarm launcher fit or equip a militia forge gun on a militia heavy 4. Find any instillation and blow them to hell 5. Stick with an ally chances are he's caring AV 6. Get in your tank or find an allied tank and blow the LAV to hell 7. Get in your own LAV and chase the guy around the map for an hour If you can not do 1 through 7 you deserve to die. Also how hard is it to get to somewhere the LAV just can't get you... 1. The path from objective to objective often is in an open area. There is no way around it 2. I do carry AV grenades. but while my AV grenades cost SP and ISK, Starter LAVs are FREE. It is clearly 1-sided 3. I have a swarm launchers build. It is meant to take out tanks also. But running around constantly as a swarms build is completely disadvantageous. I am only able to defend myself with a pistol whereas the driver can simply hop out of free LAV and gun me down with primary. What has been accomplished? within 3 seconds he will get another LAV for free 4. camping an installation waiting for free LAV to pass does not contribute to the team since i am not hacking/defending 5. Already do so 6. Not everyone drives a tank. Also, i should not have to pay some 10k isk tank + gun just to destroy a FREE LAV 7. Chasing someone in an LAV for an hour accomplishes nothing and contributes nothing to the team since i am unable to hack/defend objectives. You do not see the real problem here. Consider new players. Instead of honing in on their infantry skills (medic/frontline/defense/etc) many are moving on to LAV spam. FREE LAV spam. But what does this accomplish? they are not contributing to the team by defending objectives from being hacked. SImply they are running ppl over for kills and this is bad for the entire team. It is like having a sniper that does not watch objectives/gives infantry sniper support and instead randomly kills players at random. Simply put if anyone wants to drive they should pay/skill for it just like everything else in the game.
BuTtHuRtPEepZ Raging Pack of Homos 42	Posted - 2013.07.07 03:53:00 - [5] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: Stefan Stahl wrote: I don't think that LAVs are necessary to participate in the game and thus they shouldn't be free. If the devs really want to keep them free then I'd suggest applying the rule of "you get what you pay for". That means free LAVs should die to pretty much anything that hits harder than an AR. Again, bought LAVs are a completely different topic. in eve you get a free rookie ship... and you can have as many as you want... people have used this to crash the server spamming hundreds with throw away alts and have blobbed very expensive ships with them for successful kills... I don't see why dust 514, being part of the eve world should be any different. how many kamikazis does it take to destroy an expensive ship? bc in dust it takes one hit to kill a proto. The dude payed for it, while the lav was free, yet it takes only 1 hit to send that suit down the drain
BuTtHuRtPEepZ Raging Pack of Homos 42	Posted - 2013.07.07 03:56:00 - [6] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: BuTtHuRtPEepZ wrote: As in, please remove the free starter onikuma. Now that vehicle spawns are faster and more fluid to control, the LAV spam is becoming ridiculous. I was in a skirmish match today (three objectives map) and in pure honestly the opposing team did nothing but spam LAVs. On that 1 map, the opposing team had 2 tanks (no complaint there) and 3 onikumas just driving around and running over anyone. I went swarm launchers for the entirety of the game since the opposing team always spawned a new vehicle once one was destroyed. I also had AV grenades equipped but what can av grenades do when three cars are rushing you at the same time? Please either remove the free starter LAV (onikuma) OR make it so 1 av grenade/swarm destroys it. Dust514 is not frogger. you have the solution right here... swarms... and av nades...if the enemy wants to keep spamming them let them... blow them up get WP get orbitals... I don't see the problem. and if they hop out of their car with super spec'd weapons and suit vs your pistol? do you just die? destroy the car and job is over, but 3 seconds later and a new FREE lav appears? was that all in vain? how did you help the team after that?