DUST Search - CCP: Fair is Fair...

Himiko Kuronaga wrote:

I'm more curious why our weaknesses are doubled in every situation compared to other suits.

What I mean is, for better or worse we are armor tankers. And we are slow, so we do not dictate range.

Railguns, which attack at long range, **** us. This is not a situation we can do anything about, if some clown is gonna stay at range he is gonna stay at range. What exactly are we going to do about it? The rail rifle, which has yet to be put into the game, is at the extreme end of range and does bonus damage to armor. We can do nothing to fight back against that, AND they get to do extra damage to us just for kicks?

In bottleneck situations, explosives, not HMG's, rule the day. We cannot move fast enough to avoid the blast radius, yet all explosives deal additional damage to our armor. How is that fair again?

Every counter against us is a hard counter. And things which are supposed to be weak against us (ex: shotgun) still end up raping us the majority of the time thanks to idiotic turning mechanics.

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Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 2492	Posted - 2013.07.03 20:14:00 - [1] - Quote "All is Fair in Love and War"... not when it comes to balancing a game. I have no problem with the strafe speed personally, BUT where does that leave heavies and their stupidly slow turning / tracking speed? You increased the strafe speed but left the heavies with their slow turning speed and thought this was balanced? I'm getting tired of feeling like the dejected progeny; the bastard child of DUST. Honestly, people even think / care about heavies over @ CCP? Not even mad...not even crying... just trying to get some semblance of balance!
MassiveNine Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 181	Posted - 2013.07.03 21:38:00 - [2] - Quote CCP: "Balance?! HA! We haven't heard of that since we started drinking on the job!"
Chibi Andy Forsaken Immortals 282	Posted - 2013.07.03 21:44:00 - [3] - Quote CCP: "heavies?? we have heavies in the game????"
Cat Merc Oculus Felis 1644	Posted - 2013.07.03 21:46:00 - [4] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: "All is Fair in Love and War"... not when it comes to balancing a game. I have no problem with the strafe speed personally, BUT where does that leave heavies and their stupidly slow turning / tracking speed? You increased the strafe speed but left the heavies with their slow turning speed and thought this was balanced? I'm getting tired of feeling like the dejected progeny; the bastard child of DUST. Honestly, people even think / care about heavies over @ CCP? Not even mad...not even crying... just trying to get some semblance of balance! I know that feel bro. -Armor tanker
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 4367	Posted - 2013.07.03 21:50:00 - [5] - Quote You're only skilled at FPS if you have masted left right left right right right left Heavy = noob Deal with it.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 296	Posted - 2013.07.03 21:53:00 - [6] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: "All is Fair in Love and War"... not when it comes to balancing a game. I have no problem with the strafe speed personally, BUT where does that leave heavies and their stupidly slow turning / tracking speed? You increased the strafe speed but left the heavies with their slow turning speed and thought this was balanced? I'm getting tired of feeling like the dejected progeny; the bastard child of DUST. Honestly, people even think / care about heavies over @ CCP? Not even mad...not even crying... just trying to get some semblance of balance! I know that feel bro. -Armor tanker Know the feel Armour tanking scout,,,,,
Icy TIG3R Red Star. EoN. 412	Posted - 2013.07.03 21:54:00 - [7] - Quote Shields are massively OP. Heavy's are fine, they're not meant to be moving around so much, and more for corridor shooting/defense.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 622	Posted - 2013.07.03 21:54:00 - [8] - Quote Chibi Andy wrote: CCP: "heavies?? we have heavies in the game????" They keep them next to the armour tankers.
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 2167	Posted - 2013.07.03 21:58:00 - [9] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: You're only skilled at FPS if you have masted left right left right right right left Heavy = noob Deal with it. Strafing can't save you from a HMG in choke points.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 4368	Posted - 2013.07.03 21:59:00 - [10] - Quote Cosgar wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: You're only skilled at FPS if you have masted left right left right right right left Heavy = noob Deal with it. Strafing can't save you from a HMG in choke points. Have you used an HMG? Lol, if anything, this is EXACTLY what saves you from an HMG in choke points. Forward strafe FTW Also. Why are you advancing on an HMG heavy through a choke point again?

Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 2500	Posted - 2013.07.03 21:59:00 - [11] - Quote Icy TIG3R wrote: Shields are massively OP. Heavy's are fine, they're not meant to be moving around so much, and more for corridor shooting/defense. I'm talking about turning...not moving.
Kiro Justice Tritan's Onslaught RISE of LEGION 176	Posted - 2013.07.03 22:02:00 - [12] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: You're only skilled at FPS if you have masted left right left right right right left Heavy = noob Deal with it. Just gonna keep crying aren't you?
lowratehitman Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 709	Posted - 2013.07.03 22:04:00 - [13] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: "All is Fair in Love and War"... not when it comes to balancing a game. I have no problem with the strafe speed personally, BUT where does that leave heavies and their stupidly slow turning / tracking speed? You increased the strafe speed but left the heavies with their slow turning speed and thought this was balanced? I'm getting tired of feeling like the dejected progeny; the bastard child of DUST. Honestly, people even think / care about heavies over @ CCP? Not even mad...not even crying... just trying to get some semblance of balance! Turning up strafe speed was a non noticeable way of nerfing the smg....get sea sick trying to keep a bead on scouts in cqc.....but it is a buff "everybody" got.
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 2167	Posted - 2013.07.03 22:04:00 - [14] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Cosgar wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: You're only skilled at FPS if you have masted left right left right right right left Heavy = noob Deal with it. Strafing can't save you from a HMG in choke points. Have you used an HMG? Lol, if anything, this is EXACTLY what saves you from an HMG in choke points. Forward strafe FTW Also. Why are you advancing on an HMG heavy through a choke point again? I my not play heavy, but I do my fair share of chubby chasing. I'm an OP logi remember? Try hanging around B in the complex and see how many kills a heavy can rack up. I barely carry a repper anymore and stick to triage hives because the HMG destroys people dumb enough to get close.
Himiko Kuronaga SyNergy Gaming EoN. 723	Posted - 2013.07.03 22:05:00 - [15] - Quote I'm more curious why our weaknesses are doubled in every situation compared to other suits. What I mean is, for better or worse we are armor tankers. And we are slow, so we do not dictate range. Railguns, which attack at long range, **** us. This is not a situation we can do anything about, if some clown is gonna stay at range he is gonna stay at range. What exactly are we going to do about it? The rail rifle, which has yet to be put into the game, is at the extreme end of range and does bonus damage to armor. We can do nothing to fight back against that, AND they get to do extra damage to us just for kicks? In bottleneck situations, explosives, not HMG's, rule the day. We cannot move fast enough to avoid the blast radius, yet all explosives deal additional damage to our armor. How is that fair again? Every counter against us is a hard counter. And things which are supposed to be weak against us (ex: shotgun) still end up raping us the majority of the time thanks to idiotic turning mechanics.
Provolonee Undefined Risk DARKSTAR ARMY 32	Posted - 2013.07.03 22:12:00 - [16] - Quote Turn speed based on movement speed has to go. My only issue is, I change suits several times a match, I have to retrain my brain and muscle memory every time I switch from my low hp repping suit to my large hp Buffer suit. Turn speed based on suit, stinks. But turn speed based on how many armor mods your rocking is just plain silly.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 4382	Posted - 2013.07.03 23:08:00 - [17] - Quote Kiro Justice wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: You're only skilled at FPS if you have masted left right left right right right left Heavy = noob Deal with it. Just gonna keep crying aren't you? 3x SP starts tomorrow, and no one seems to know how to engage in unbiased discussions around here, so yea, I'll keep making you cry till then
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 713	Posted - 2013.07.03 23:14:00 - [18] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: I'm more curious why our weaknesses are doubled in every situation compared to other suits. What I mean is, for better or worse we are armor tankers. And we are slow, so we do not dictate range. Railguns, which attack at long range, **** us. This is not a situation we can do anything about, if some clown is gonna stay at range he is gonna stay at range. What exactly are we going to do about it? The rail rifle, which has yet to be put into the game, is at the extreme end of range and does bonus damage to armor. We can do nothing to fight back against that, AND they get to do extra damage to us just for kicks? In bottleneck situations, explosives, not HMG's, rule the day. We cannot move fast enough to avoid the blast radius, yet all explosives deal additional damage to our armor. How is that fair again? Every counter against us is a hard counter. And things which are supposed to be weak against us (ex: shotgun) still end up raping us the majority of the time thanks to idiotic turning mechanics. Maybe, just maybe, the commando suit with two light weapon slots is meant to give heavies more options for dealing with opponents at various ranges and maybe, just maybe, whining about heavy suits while we are missing three racial variants (which is ridiculous BTW) is premature
Kiro Justice Tritan's Onslaught RISE of LEGION 179	Posted - 2013.07.03 23:36:00 - [19] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Kiro Justice wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: You're only skilled at FPS if you have masted left right left right right right left Heavy = noob Deal with it. Just gonna keep crying aren't you? 3x SP starts tomorrow, and no one seems to know how to engage in unbiased discussions around here, so yea, I'll keep making you cry till then Most people on the forums like the new changes, and I've given you unbiased discussion. I'm an ARMOR TANK who likes the changes.
KOBLAKA1 Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 203	Posted - 2013.07.03 23:45:00 - [20] - Quote Icy TIG3R wrote: Shields are massively OP. Heavy's are fine, they're not meant to be moving around so much, and more for corridor shooting/defense. Cuz we have so many indoor maps. And our effective range isn't even the width of a street.



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