Dont know though if its base HP or holes in PG\CPU to allow for decent fitting.

The intended characteristic that's supposed to keep them alive simply doesn't. With the scout, its the lack of enough speed and stealth to compensate for the loss in EHP

I realized it was more efficient to just throw a speed mod on a assault suit and use that with the shotgun instead

There's just zero doubt in my mind that CCP understands that the Scout suit is in an unhealthy place right now

I've bookmarked the thread here and added it to my notes, and will definitely be drawing on these ideas during our future discussions with whomever picks up the Scout balance project.

Are you missing a word here? I don't understand :\

Thank you for chasing this up for us. +1

OK guys- at the beginning of this thread I posted 7 bullet points that interested me as a scout, and what I thought would be beneficial to approach the CPM with. I read a lot of other scouts thoughts, talked to scouts in game, as well as what was considered in this thread.And, if i left anything out, please let me know!

I wanted to put together a short and sweet item list that affects us the most right now. Something easy to digest yet touches upon the bulk of the concerns I have seen. It also is partly biased based on my experiences, so while I want to make sure I put together something that represents everyone, I'd also like to preserve the spirit of keeping it easy to read and simple.

Hopefully, CPM can talk it over, and then take it to the Devs for consideration.


The state of the scout 1.2

Endurance/speed nerf
- regeneration delay if you deplete your stamina.
- actions possibly cost more stamina.
- there is a feeling of moving slower.
- all classes of suit strafe at the same speed.
- enemies can walk backwards at the same rate of speed.

Profile dampening/scanning
- scanning range is far too short. Especially for a gallente scout.
- passive scanning is unreliable and often does not work.
- it is unclear that profile dampening works. Especially at high skill levels. I.E. being seen on the minimap by
enemies/turrets/vehicles when out of LOS.

Scout Dropsuit hit box
-via limited testing it has been discovered our hit boxes increase in size when we sprint


Proto suits are underpowered
- lack of CPU/PG.
- lack of key additional H/L slot. 1H for G. 1L for Min.
- lack of a variant that includes an additional Eq slot.
- base movement/sprint speed is too low.

Weapons and hit detection
- nova knives have hit detection issues. A strafing enemy can become impossible to strike resulting in
positive feedback indicating a hit while inflicting zero damage.
- Nova knives need sprint charging.
- shotguns suffer from similar hit detection issues as the nova knife.
- shotgun reloading animation can not be canceled part way through a reload.

A few other incidental nerfs-
- RDVs now drop free LAVs off almost instantly further negating the scouts speed advantages by allowing them to run to
objectives first
- Overall frame rate has improved, and combined with ballooning hit boxes and speed nerf, has made scouts into the
collateral damage of advancing the core.

The basic problem behind scouts as a whole is the same problem as any other suit.

The stats were basically arbitrarily assigned, and most of them make like no logical sense.

Before suits can be given roles, the policy of slapping on whatever stats, layouts, and skill bonuses seem like a good idea at the time needs to die in a fire , and creating a more defined set of roles which actually make sense and are practical needs to be the policy from now on.

I'll be making a post later on in the feedback/requests forum about what IMO is the best way to achieve this.

304/77 shield an armor on a proto for a suit that can barely punch a guy run then not even hop the handrail?

Thanks dude!