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T4K3RoftheSOUL Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 21	Posted - 2013.07.03 01:08:00 - [1] - Quote What do you guys think? I am kinda interested in it, but, I'm want to hear what the audience has to say?
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 4267	Posted - 2013.07.03 01:09:00 - [2] - Quote I'll happily give you a resounding NO for reasons I don't feel need to be explained, yet will likely be covered in the posts to come.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 2134	Posted - 2013.07.03 01:16:00 - [3] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: I'll happily give you a resounding NO for reasons I don't feel need to be explained, yet will likely be covered in the posts to come. This man is a gentleman and a scholar!
Carter Raynor The Generals EoN. 50	Posted - 2013.07.03 01:17:00 - [4] - Quote The 8x multiplier is insanely high for a suit with 2 high 1 low, and no grenade. Kinda ridiculous. I do like the suit though, tried it on my alt. I carried two GEKs, when one ran out of ammo i'd swap (weapon swapping got sped up as well), and I can outgun people a majority of the time without reloads. Pretty quick suit as well for a heavy. The Suit needs: Proto: 2high2low Adv:2high1low Basic:1high1low 1 Grenade slot on all 1 Equipment slot on all THEN it will be worth 8x multiplyer
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 294	Posted - 2013.07.03 01:18:00 - [5] - Quote Its doesn't look like it due to speed and ISK costs. Commandos are supposed to be sneaky and fast and all that ****....this one isn't, also the proto variant costs about 94K Isk per suit
Azura Sakura Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 175	Posted - 2013.07.03 01:21:00 - [6] - Quote Derpsuit
B Kent Lost Souls of New Eden PMC 1	Posted - 2013.07.03 02:08:00 - [7] - Quote Also, there are no Aurum based variants with lower skill requirements, making experimenting with the Commando very difficult without making a significant SP sink. I agree that the lack of module slots also handicaps the suit. I had hoped the Commando would make AV more viable and lend balance, but that seems unlikely. The suit seems tailored to a niche that doesn't really exist in Dust as it plays currently.
oso tiburon The Generals EoN. 46	Posted - 2013.07.03 02:16:00 - [8] - Quote T4K3RoftheSOUL wrote: What do you guys think? I am kinda interested in it, but, I'm want to hear what the audience has to say? slow ... ok i can deal with this im a heavy low hp for a heavy branch .... ok cool i have a heavy suit with cardio and nova knives 2 light weapons ... again i have a heavy with a gek cool i can put a md and a ar no modual slots ? what in the living f..... slow low hit points can put armor or reppers of any kind on it wtf cool i have an equipment slot oh im sorry i can spend a ton of sp to get proto commando to have high and low slots ? seriously im goooooooooooooood sound like what ive been saying slow moving target practice
Shrapnels The Order 1886 144	Posted - 2013.07.03 02:26:00 - [9] - Quote you would need to go Proto to make the Commando Suit even remotely worth it. Don't even waste your time at the STD or ADV levels. The main problems are C-proto ak.o suit cost 94,425 ISK. You also become severely limited on PG costs then CPU which drastically hinder your Suit loadouts.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 4271	Posted - 2013.07.03 03:20:00 - [10] - Quote Shrapnels wrote: The main problems are C-proto ak.o suit cost 94,425 . I asure you good sir, the main problems with the Commandon't extend well beyond their cost. Perhaps I'm missing something and will be delightfuly enlightened one day in glorious combat. For now though, I find it wildly entertaining that the Commandon't is painted red, since red is dead, and well....ya know....dat reload speed
Aqua-Regia Ahrendee Frontlinez Omega Commission 225	Posted - 2013.07.03 03:54:00 - [11] - Quote NO!
negative49er The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 35	Posted - 2013.07.03 03:57:00 - [12] - Quote Scout>Commando
KING CHECKMATE A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 149	Posted - 2013.07.03 03:58:00 - [13] - Quote negative49er wrote: Scout>Commando SCOUT > Anything
Talos Alomar Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1061	Posted - 2013.07.03 05:37:00 - [14] - Quote one more low slot on all variants is pretty much needed. the Commando should have the passive skill that reduces feedback damage and the sentinel should have the passive skill that makes plates and extenders more effective. It seriously seems like someone made a typo and switched them. the std level commando suit CANT EVEN USE THE PASSIVE. every other suit lets you use the standard level suits better if you feel like saving some ISK.
KOBLAKA1 Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 181	Posted - 2013.07.03 05:47:00 - [15] - Quote your reading starts on page three of the dev blog in the announcements section. The suit sucks for fighting in brawls/firefights. It is a very effective pairing with an LAV (but really any suit could be). It is because if you enounter a loner you cant hit get out and swat him with an AR. If there are vehicles about drive that LAV to a good perch (or use the LAV as Cover) and swarms away. I'd assume its good at sniping/swarming but i really dont snipe (unless i see a thale or proto sniper in which case militia sniper headshots work just as good as those weapons :D). So whats your playstyle is the real question? If you like to be in the middle of firefights Commandont is not for you.
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 374	Posted - 2013.07.03 05:56:00 - [16] - Quote I saw a proto Commando in a match today. It felt something like wandering into a game preserve at random, and spotting a unicorn just inside the front gate. I should have taken a picture. The poor SOB went 2/10 in the match. I wanted to give him a hug... that SP ain't coming back. Here's the problem with CCP's thinking on Commando: They think being able to field two Light weapons is way more powerful than being able to field two Sidearms. It isn't. From what I've seen, 2x Flaylocks + AV Grenades > AR + Swarm Launcher. Especially once you consider the large, slow Heavy frame. The only weapon combo that would be worthy of the severe triple nerf that Commando got would be if it had two Heavy weapon slots. As it stands, the Commando should have lower base HP or fewer module slots, but not both. And the ISK cost is simply unacceptable.
KOBLAKA1 Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 181	Posted - 2013.07.03 06:02:00 - [17] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: I saw a proto Commando in a match today. It felt something like wandering into a game preserve at random, and spotting a unicorn just inside the front gate. I should have taken a picture. The poor SOB went 2/10 in the match. I wanted to give him a hug... that SP ain't coming back. Here's the problem with CCP's thinking on Commando: They think being able to field two Light weapons is way more powerful than being able to field two Sidearms. It isn't. From what I've seen, 2x Flaylocks + AV Grenades > AR + Swarm Launcher. Especially once you consider the large, slow Heavy frame. The only weapon combo that would be worthy of the severe triple nerf that Commando got would be if it had two Heavy weapon slots. As it stands, the Commando should have lower base HP or fewer module slots, but not both. And the ISK cost is simply unacceptable. That dude was just terrible i ran STD Commandont all day (minus one close match where actual heaving was needed) and never went negative. 1 heavy and 1 light is the only other thing we disagree on, everything else is dead accurate.
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 376	Posted - 2013.07.03 06:11:00 - [18] - Quote KOBLAKA1 wrote: That dude was just terrible i ran STD Commandont all day (minus one close match where actual heaving was needed) and never went negative. 1 heavy and 1 light is the only other thing we disagree on, everything else is dead accurate. I agree he was terrible. I still felt bad for the naive fellow fattie all the same. But yes, you are correct. 1 Heavy weapon slot and 1 light weapon slot would probably also be damn powerful. (Forge Gun + AR, yes please.) Was just trying to illustrate some conceivable combo that would justify the severe pre-nerfing that Commandon't received.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 4278	Posted - 2013.07.03 06:24:00 - [19] - Quote Lets not forget that bringing back DDR 514 and jacking the strafe speed is a direct nerf to heavies, especially those who use light weapons. Well played CCP. Well played.
Banning Hammer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 127	Posted - 2013.07.03 07:41:00 - [20] - Quote I still trying to understand why CCP choice a heavy as a commando ... An Armarr Assault will been a MUCH better Commando, but, obviously i'm the only one in this forums that doesn't understand CCP's logic.
Johnny Guilt Algintal Core Gallente Federation 126	Posted - 2013.07.03 07:47:00 - [21] - Quote Soooo can you or can you not dual wield the light weapons?
Novawolf McDustingham The514th The Official Mintchip Fanclub 322	Posted - 2013.07.03 07:49:00 - [22] - Quote Carter Raynor wrote: The 8x multiplier is insanely high for a suit with 2 high 1 low, and no grenade. Kinda ridiculous. I do like the suit though, tried it on my alt. I carried two GEKs, when one ran out of ammo i'd swap (weapon swapping got sped up as well), and I can outgun people a majority of the time without reloads. Pretty quick suit as well for a heavy. The Suit needs: Proto: 2high2low Adv:2high1low Basic:1high1low 1 Grenade slot on all 1 Equipment slot on all THEN it will be worth 8x multiplyer I just read this and thought, "Man, commando sucks worse than I thought." Then I re-read "needs" and I had a sad for anyone who put SP into Commando...
Hunter Fencen ROGUE SPADES EoN. 8	Posted - 2013.07.03 07:54:00 - [23] - Quote You guys are probably using the commando wrong, me and a friend jumped into standards and went with a dropshipper, scout shotty and rail tank in a squad. We had shottys and AR's and could lockdown a skirmish in under 3mins. The advantages you get are range versatilty. Enemies get too close shotty comes out, as they back the hell up AR's finish them off. It requires a lot of teamwork to use but for fast paced intense games they are great. The added bonus of being able to drop into the direct centre of a firefight with the dropship and just unload lead is great but its a different playstyle to other suits in that you will probably die without another commando or a logi by your side. Plus its sexy as hell One low slot at standard fixes it Added grenades will break it, heavy and light weapons will push it a bit far in the OP direction.
KOBLAKA1 Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 191	Posted - 2013.07.03 07:57:00 - [24] - Quote I had fun rolling in it too today, but to be fair couldn't you have done the same with AR and SMG in a basic heavy with more tank and same speed using catalyzers and damage mods?? The suit does look sexy if a little iron man lol the fact it needs any fixing at STD is wrong and only get multiplied at proto grenades kick its ass (like theres a hidden dmg bonus or some ****)
Chibi Andy Forsaken Immortals 279	Posted - 2013.07.03 08:57:00 - [25] - Quote like i posted in this thread its just damn insulting!!! we ask them when they will give us racials and we get a reply of "its in progress, oh and here have a bone, we'll give you the commando suit as well" my heavy suit packs more stuff than a commando suit
Unmei no Hoeru Grupo de Asalto Chacal CRONOS. 11	Posted - 2013.07.03 11:33:00 - [26] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: I saw a proto Commando in a match today. It felt something like wandering into a game preserve at random, and spotting a unicorn just inside the front gate. I should have taken a picture. The poor SOB went 2/10 in the match. I wanted to give him a hug... that SP ain't coming back. Here's the problem with CCP's thinking on Commando: They think being able to field two Light weapons is way more powerful than being able to field two Sidearms. It isn't. From what I've seen, 2x Flaylocks + AV Grenades > AR + Swarm Launcher. Especially once you consider the large, slow Heavy frame. The only weapon combo that would be worthy of the severe triple nerf that Commando got would be if it had two Heavy weapon slots. As it stands, the Commando should have lower base HP or fewer module slots, but not both. And the ISK cost is simply unacceptable.
Chibi Andy Forsaken Immortals 279	Posted - 2013.07.03 11:44:00 - [27] - Quote should have given that proto commando a lollipop for his efforts
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 382	Posted - 2013.07.03 11:59:00 - [28] - Quote Johnny Guilt wrote: Soooo can you or can you not dual wield the light weapons? No dual wielding. John Woo was not a fattie, it seems. Just to be clear on another comment: I'm not suggesting Commando should be able to field two heavy weapons or a heavy + light weapon. I made the statement to highlight how pre-nerfed the suit is. I think the basic concept is fine, but that it should have the same number of module slots as every other heavy suit. The way it is, Milita Heavy + AR + Flaylock + AV Grenades trounces proto Commando at any task and in all situations. And please CCP, if you do nothing else at all, fix that price tag.
Kevlar Waffles Expert Intervention Caldari State 34	Posted - 2013.07.03 13:03:00 - [29] - Quote Johnny Guilt wrote: Soooo can you or can you not dual wield the light weapons? you wish
Hunter Fencen ROGUE SPADES EoN. 8	Posted - 2013.07.03 19:19:00 - [30] - Quote The problem was that it got pre-nerfed because people complained "OP" even though they hadn't even fought it thats the issue with the game let them make the stuff before you call "OP"

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