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Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
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Posted - 2013.07.02 22:43:00 -
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Pete B wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Pete B wrote:Jin Robot wrote:This thread is so last month. I don't care about how hipster you are, that you think ideas go out of date, I just want to know how CCP can expect people to just deal with a new addition that people have to cave into when they obviously used up their tools to try find another goldmine. Easy, you grind and but boosters I though people said CCP was a good company? Are you saying it was their plan all along to just get the old players to buy boosters when they add new stuff? What? No. of corse not, 1 month of boosters is going to support them for 10+ years |
KEROSIINI-TERO
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
515
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Posted - 2013.07.02 22:56:00 -
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And another. And another. And another. And another. And another. . . .
Anyone get the point? |
Chimichanga66605
Vader's Taco Shack
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Posted - 2013.07.02 22:58:00 -
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Holy kitten, we're REALLY beating this dead horse again? That poor horse is mush by now.... What part of "No more respecs" don't you get? Who cares if other RPGs do it, this isn't "other RPGs." Furthermore, who wants all RPGs to be the same? That's stupid. |
Henchmen21
Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.07.02 22:59:00 -
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Funny I just used my re-respec to go from assault to logi. You miss those equipment slots once your down to one. |
Vavilia Lysenko
Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire
104
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Posted - 2013.07.02 23:07:00 -
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hooc roht wrote:If customers want it CCP should give it to them.
Sometimes the children need Daddy to say No.
It's for their benefit in the long run. |
TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
1291
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Posted - 2013.07.02 23:12:00 -
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Chimichanga66605 wrote:we're REALLY beating this dead horse again? That poor horse is mush by now.... No, we're done with the horse. We're killing cats now.
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BL4CKST4R
WarRavens League of Infamy
349
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Posted - 2013.07.02 23:33:00 -
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Pete B wrote:With the new update adding the commando which looks pretty sweet, and I have fully invested in Logis (which are pretty **** tbh, should of gone with Assault), is it really fair to expect me to just accumulate more SP from scratch?
(also movement speed effecting turning speed/turning acceleration/sensitivity is ******* bullshit BTW)
I want a respec so I can go Minmatar or Caldari. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
4264
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Posted - 2013.07.02 23:49:00 -
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Dont even bother, the entitled little EVE players throw the biggest temper tantrum whenever you remind them that their choices dont matter and a respec system of some sort would go a long way towards player retention.
In short, dont question the wisdom of CCP or they will drown you in a flood of trollish tears. They will orbital bombard your reason with sadness; just abandon all hope.
Dust Project 514 wrote:We are not customers. We did not buy this game...
Speak for yourself, buddy |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.07.03 00:07:00 -
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https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1003950#post1003950
Read this. This has very important reasons on why there won't be anymore respecs. Also, CCP confirmed long ago there will be no more respecs. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
4264
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Posted - 2013.07.03 00:09:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote: Accept the permanent consequences of your choices. You join New Eden, you follow the rules of New Eden. What I think you meant to say was "Accept the permanent consequences of CCPs random design decisions."
Welcome to New Eden, where CCPs choices matter, not yours.
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tribal wyvern
ZionTCD
924
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Posted - 2013.07.03 01:54:00 -
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Pete B wrote:With the new update adding the commando which looks pretty sweet, and I have fully invested in Logis (which are pretty **** tbh, should of gone with Assault), is it really fair to expect me to just accumulate more SP from scratch?
(also movement speed effecting turning speed/turning acceleration/sensitivity is ******* bullshit BTW) Let me get this right. You expect a respec every time some new assets are added?
Get out! |
Kiro Justice
Tritan's Onslaught RISE of LEGION
152
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Posted - 2013.07.03 02:02:00 -
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Pete B wrote:With the new update adding the commando which looks pretty sweet, and I have fully invested in Logis (which are pretty **** tbh, should of gone with Assault), is it really fair to expect me to just accumulate more SP from scratch?
(also movement speed effecting turning speed/turning acceleration/sensitivity is ******* bullshit BTW)
You're stupid, logis are the current FOTM.
Commando suits are horrible.
Constant respecs would cause this to be a non-persistent cash-cow game.
You're the only one (THE ONLY ONE) Who had something bad to say about turning speed and such. Seriously, even Cat Merc was impressed, and all he used to do was complain.
Please play another game. |
KING CHECKMATE
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
145
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Posted - 2013.07.03 02:05:00 -
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Kiro Justice wrote:Pete B wrote:With the new update adding the commando which looks pretty sweet, and I have fully invested in Logis (which are pretty **** tbh, should of gone with Assault), is it really fair to expect me to just accumulate more SP from scratch?
(also movement speed effecting turning speed/turning acceleration/sensitivity is ******* bullshit BTW) You're stupid, logis are the current FOTM. Commando suits are horrible. Constant respecs would cause this to be a non-persistent cash-cow game. You're the only one (THE ONLY ONE) Who had something bad to say about turning speed and such. Seriously, even Cat Merc was impressed, and all he used to do was complain. Please play another game.
I wouldnt mind another respec, since the 8.5 million i have are wasted on now USELESS scout suits :3 |
Malkai Inos
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
509
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Posted - 2013.07.03 02:14:00 -
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I feel like killing this thread right now so i will do the one thing that, so far, ended every single repsec discussion: Enforce a proper debate.
Cross Atu wrote:Gaelon Thrace wrote:Cross Atu wrote:To all Mercs in support of respecs please read and respond to in detail my posts #19 & #92. In this thread. As well as post #14 by Malkai Inos. There's a lot of ground to cover and the issues presented within those posts (as well as other posts in that thread) really do require an address before any such idea should be considered for adoption into the game. Cheers, Cross FYI you can link directly to the post by clicking the post number. I'll link the posts you mentioned here, here, and here to make it easier for anyone interested. The above covers standard concerns related to unlimited respec (aka all respec that do not have a specific hard cap on total lifetime number). I look forward to your reply regarding the concerns raised in the quoted links. Cheers, Cross
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KING CHECKMATE
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
147
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Posted - 2013.07.03 02:16:00 -
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Malkai Inos wrote:I feel like killing this thread right now so i will do the one thing that, so far, ended every single repsec discussion: Enforce a proper debate.
If i costumer pays for something , in this case with SP ( which equals time. SP = MY TIME) and its not exactly was i was offered in the first place, i should get a refund. Maybe not a respec, but i want my 2.5m+ i spend in Scout suits back since they are now what i bough originally. |
Malkai Inos
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
509
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Posted - 2013.07.03 02:24:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Malkai Inos wrote:I feel like killing this thread right now so i will do the one thing that, so far, ended every single repsec discussion: Enforce a proper debate.
If i costumer pays for something , in this case with SP ( which equals time. SP = MY TIME) and its not exactly was i was offered in the first place, i should get a refund. Maybe not a respec, but i want my 2.5m+ i spend in Scout suits back since they are now what i bough originally. Look up sony and dust EULA: No refunds.
While your argument is understandable by itself, it looses any traction unless you can convince SOE and CCP to change their respective EULAs in order to argue on that basis.
It would also mean that i and all "no respec" folks in general would be entitled to a refund when respecs were included since a fundamental quality of the game would have been changed in this case. Which is also precicely the reason why "no refund" policies exist in the first place: You cannot draw the line on just that basis.
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KING CHECKMATE
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
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Posted - 2013.07.03 02:26:00 -
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Malkai Inos wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Malkai Inos wrote:I feel like killing this thread right now so i will do the one thing that, so far, ended every single repsec discussion: Enforce a proper debate.
If i costumer pays for something , in this case with SP ( which equals time. SP = MY TIME) and its not exactly was i was offered in the first place, i should get a refund. Maybe not a respec, but i want my 2.5m+ i spend in Scout suits back since they are now what i bough originally. Look up sony and dust EULA: No refunds. While your argument is understandable by itself, it looses any traction unless you can convince SOE and CCP to change their respective EULAs in order to argue on that basis. It would also mean that i and all "no respec" folks in general would be entitled to a refund when respecs were included since a fundamental quality of the game would have been changed in this case. Which is also precicely the reason why "no refund" policies exist in the first place: You cannot draw the line on just that basis.
I guess you ARE right. Cant argue with that.Then again i know ''anti respec'' people are afraid that after getting a respec , many players like myself would stomp their heads, you know because we will actually have the most effective gear....? . So yeah you are right, no more respecs, for the sake of the Meta gamers that already have all their Proto gear.... |
Xocoyol Zaraoul
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
531
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Posted - 2013.07.03 02:28:00 -
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Pete B wrote:With the new update adding the commando which looks pretty sweet, and I have fully invested in Logis (which are pretty **** tbh, should of gone with Assault), is it really fair to expect me to just accumulate more SP from scratch?
(also movement speed effecting turning speed/turning acceleration/sensitivity is ******* bullshit BTW)
Respecs are not for whenever a new toy comes out and you want to choose it for the month and then move on again.
Respecs are for when fundumental changes happen, like skill trees being entirely revamped, or racial empty slots being filled like the missing three racial heavies.
This is ridiculous. |
Malkai Inos
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
509
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Posted - 2013.07.03 02:34:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Malkai Inos wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Malkai Inos wrote:I feel like killing this thread right now so i will do the one thing that, so far, ended every single repsec discussion: Enforce a proper debate.
If i costumer pays for something , in this case with SP ( which equals time. SP = MY TIME) and its not exactly was i was offered in the first place, i should get a refund. Maybe not a respec, but i want my 2.5m+ i spend in Scout suits back since they are now what i bough originally. Look up sony and dust EULA: No refunds. While your argument is understandable by itself, it looses any traction unless you can convince SOE and CCP to change their respective EULAs in order to argue on that basis. It would also mean that i and all "no respec" folks in general would be entitled to a refund when respecs were included since a fundamental quality of the game would have been changed in this case. Which is also precicely the reason why "no refund" policies exist in the first place: You cannot draw the line on just that basis. I guess you ARE right. Cant argue with that.Then again i know ''anti respec'' people are afraid that after getting a respec , many players like myself would stomp their heads, you know because we will actually have the most effective gear....? . So yeah you are right, no more respecs, for the sake of the Meta gamers that already have all their Proto gear.... ON OTHER NOTES i still think in UNIVERSAL COSTUMER rights that guarantee the poduct of whats bought, but i guess your point is valid since i havnt really bought anything from CCP... SP is an imaginary currency. It's not that i didn't hear this accusation before and haven't pointed out that it's a strawman just as often. The quoted section raised numerous important points that have yet to be adressed.
What i and others may or may not think is none of your business and immaterial to the subject. If you are unwilling or unable to have a reasonable discussion on this subject, and insist on ad hominem remarks based on stramen instead, i am not wiling to waste my time on this. |
Eriknaught
Vader's Taco Shack
16
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Posted - 2013.07.03 02:37:00 -
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Henchmen21 wrote:Funny I just used my re-respec to go from assault to logi. You miss those equipment slots once your down to one.
Logi/DS pilot to Hella-Scout myself, I as well miss my extra pockets. Still don't regret turning in my wings tho...I'll swallow that pill when Jets come out. |
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