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NIKIA BETHUNE
Ill Omens EoN.
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Posted - 2013.07.02 05:32:00 -
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This idea was proposed by EoN, NF, LOI, cronos and maybe Rofl not too clear on that. But this was done behind closed doors and without public knowledge. Everyone is being asked to bend to the major alliances will simply because you have no other choice. Otherwise you can't play PC right? I agree to an extent. The idea is sound. Have a district that can't be flipped. But have many small corps haven been givin a district? Major alliance are still keep this "fight club" exclusive to big named corps.
Now at this think IO 3 NG 3 SI 3 and nyan San has 3 districts left. How will they be givin out? Moreover who has givin the major alliances the authority to do so? It's all well and good if they are to be handed to everyone but to my knowledge bigger more well known corps like stb lotis people like that have dibs...
I will not be attack GAC on oddelulf. I wish to see just how fair these alliance that impose these "safe zones" really are. Right now IO is the only corp to give districts to the smaller corps others have given only to well know corps maybe for future favor I don't know.
So I want a community answer not people trying to force anything. I would like to know how many people truely are for this fight club. Not mavado, sha, kujo, or Kane forcing you. Does anyone feel this truly for the community? From what I have seen and heard I say it is not.
Tl;dr yes or no for fight club. |
Zatara Rought
TeamPlayers EoN.
430
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Posted - 2013.07.02 05:56:00 -
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**** YEAH! LET THE GOOD TIMES ROLL! |
Skipper Jones
Red Star. EoN.
205
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Posted - 2013.07.02 05:59:00 -
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I'm down for it. Why not?
The only problem I see is if CCP successfully fixes the LAG in PC in 1.2, then people would wanna take districts. We will see |
Fiddlestaxp
TeamPlayers EoN.
133
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Posted - 2013.07.02 06:06:00 -
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I personally don't think it will ever work. I've always thought it was a rather clever ploy to get Chronos to cede districts. Who gets to decide who stays? Is it force that decides? Then how is it different than any other district? Too many people looking out for them and theirs.
And I think the entire concept is flawed. The only way to get better at PC is to play PC. An up and coming team is not going to be able to play as often as they need to with one districts worth of clones. Not to mention that they lose lots of money in gear. If you want to hold a PC district, don't be a **** or hang around with ****s. I think all the major alliances have found a soft spot for small corps in some way or another. Relocation has been offered to numerous corps.
I think it was the right thing not to attack GAC for now, while we sort this out. But GAC isn't exactly innocent either. They launched attack after attack to lock us in on an awful timer in early PC. They gave all their districts away to SI, get one on PFC and then launch a clone pack attack full of chromos ringers (exactly like the war we just fought in every regard) and then IO is bad for attacking the only target they have? You can't have your cake and eat it too. If you are going to play your Gentleman's Rules game, you can't be simultaneously using your position to wage an alliance war. If your only district is on that planet, you should limit your attacks to that planet and at least make it appear like you are trying to have a friendly match with your corp buddies.
Nikia has his flaws, but he does have some code of honor. He launched two attacks tonight on a rival, and he fielded majority IO teams against a rival, when he probably could have put together EoN. All-Star teams for either of the matches. We should at least ask as much from Planet Fight Club corps. Not to mention GAC has already had the chance to play against eon about 100 times at this point... I find the whole argument questionable. |
NIKIA BETHUNE
Ill Omens EoN.
349
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Posted - 2013.07.02 06:06:00 -
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I'm against it I think only corps not holding districts should be allow on fight club. That I could agree to. |
NIKIA BETHUNE
Ill Omens EoN.
350
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Posted - 2013.07.02 06:13:00 -
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Fiddlestaxp wrote:I personally don't think it will ever work. I've always thought it was a rather clever ploy to get Chronos to cede districts. Who gets to decide who stays? Is it force that decides? Then how is it different than any other district? Too many people looking out for them and theirs.
And I think the entire concept is flawed. The only way to get better at PC is to play PC. An up and coming team is not going to be able to play as often as they need to with one districts worth of clones. Not to mention that they lose lots of money in gear. If you want to hold a PC district, don't be a **** or hang around with ****s. I think all the major alliances have found a soft spot for small corps in some way or another. Relocation has been offered to numerous corps.
I think it was the right thing not to attack GAC for now, while we sort this out. But GAC isn't exactly innocent either. They launched attack after attack to lock us in on an awful timer in early PC. They gave all their districts away to SI, get one on PFC and then launch a clone pack attack full of chromos ringers (exactly like the war we just fought in every regard) and then IO is bad for attacking the only target they have? You can't have your cake and eat it too. If you are going to play your Gentleman's Rules game, you can't be simultaneously using your position to wage an alliance war. If your only district is on that planet, you should limit your attacks to that planet and at least make it appear like you are trying to have a friendly match with your corp buddies.
Nikia has his flaws, but he does have some code of honor. He launched two attacks tonight on a rival, and he fielded majority IO teams against a rival, when he probably could have put together EoN. All-Star teams for either of the matches. We should at least ask as much from Planet Fight Club corps. Not to mention GAC has already had the chance to play against eon about 100 times at this point... I find the whole argument questionable. Valid points but there are people who seem to want revenge against me for some wrong they feel I have dealt them. It's quite clear who the people are because they keep going with all the anti-IO nonsense for what? I'm not accused of being power hungry? Since when? I came to PC to fight and that's what I do I fight. With or without my corp I fight and it won't change. |
Zatara Rought
TeamPlayers EoN.
431
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Posted - 2013.07.02 06:13:00 -
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NIKIA BETHUNE wrote:I'm against it I think only corps not holding districts should be allow on fight club. That I could agree to.
Actually why hasn't this been brought up...we already have a list of corps that have solid talent...let the small upcoming corps duke it out and find out how they match u vs other corps of similar skill. Like the other night when the 16 guys from some unknown corp beat 14 giant players without even breaking mcc shield. we could get the info broker to keep tabs and rotate them out if anyone is overwhelmingly OP in that section cause they ready for the big time.
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NIKIA BETHUNE
Ill Omens EoN.
350
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Posted - 2013.07.02 06:18:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:NIKIA BETHUNE wrote:I'm against it I think only corps not holding districts should be allow on fight club. That I could agree to. Actually why hasn't this been brought up...we already have a list of corps that have solid talent...let the small upcoming corps duke it out and find out how they match u vs other corps of similar skill. Like the other night when the 16 guys from some unknown corp beat 14 giant players without even breaking mcc shield. we could get the info broker to keep tabs and rotate them out if anyone is overwhelmingly OP in that section cause they ready for the big time. Lets go a step further. I think any corp they has quit PC shouldn't get a district.(yet) priority should be givin to up and comers and corps that have been removed. |
Fiddlestaxp
TeamPlayers EoN.
133
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Posted - 2013.07.02 06:27:00 -
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NIKIA BETHUNE wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:NIKIA BETHUNE wrote:I'm against it I think only corps not holding districts should be allow on fight club. That I could agree to. Actually why hasn't this been brought up...we already have a list of corps that have solid talent...let the small upcoming corps duke it out and find out how they match u vs other corps of similar skill. Like the other night when the 16 guys from some unknown corp beat 14 giant players without even breaking mcc shield. we could get the info broker to keep tabs and rotate them out if anyone is overwhelmingly OP in that section cause they ready for the big time. Lets go a step further. I think any corp they has quit PC shouldn't get a district.(yet) priority should be givin to up and comers and corps that have been removed.maybe make a tourney out of it. Offer 500mil to the winning corp. that conquers the planet. There are plenty of steps further with even better, more logical rules. But none of these are enforceable at the end of the day, and people are already playing politics with this. Getting the alliances to work together on anything(without seeking their own interests first) so far has been nearly impossible. That needs to change before anything like this can happen. |
SoTa PoP
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
3054
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Posted - 2013.07.02 06:28:00 -
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lol this thread is full of crap.
There's like 5 threads about planet fight club - from NF - to Mavado - to Sha. This has been public info for a long time. SI has been giving districts to STB and ZIon as well as other corps - how do you think GAC got there in the first place?
This is you QQing that you did something without thinking and got negative back-lash for it.
Stop trying to mislead people on how this is being done - the people setting this up are mostly targetting smaller corps who wouldn't be in PC and want to train. It's not anyones fault that only the bigger corps are stepping up to join.
Bad propaganda is bad. |
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Deadeyes Anterie
Ill Omens EoN.
633
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Posted - 2013.07.02 06:29:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:NIKIA BETHUNE wrote:I'm against it I think only corps not holding districts should be allow on fight club. That I could agree to. Actually why hasn't this been brought up...we already have a list of corps that have solid talent...let the small upcoming corps duke it out and find out how they match u vs other corps of similar skill. Like the other night when the 16 guys from some unknown corp beat 14 giant players without even breaking mcc shield. we could get the info broker to keep tabs and rotate them out if anyone is overwhelmingly OP in that section cause they ready for the big time.
I'm starting to agree myself. If you think about it there are well over 24 land-holding Corporations already. If they all took land it really defeats the proposed intention which was to be a place for new corps to battle it out. I don't think many of the small Corps will want to fight Teamplayers or Nyain San right off the bat, and if they do they know where to find them.
I'm thinking Minor Leagues of Dust here. I'm not sure if 24 Corps would be interested, and there is no need to vacate the districts until there is actual demand from the smaller guys. It would be nice to see some smaller corporations take part in PC at a level that doesn't have to be the absolute highest skill tier.
Perhaps a requirement would be reporting battles to a thread when they took place so we can keep the districts in the hands of players who are actually using them?
Either Planet Fightclub is a front for one of two agendas.
1. Getting PC more involved and allowing new players a chance to compete and learn since CCP eliminated that aspect of the game when the killed contracts.
2. Setting up a 'free' battleground where established corporations can fight each other without the cost or risk of real PC while the existing alliances make billions of ISK a week.
If we are giving the districts to groups skilled and wealthy enough to take place in PC over the small indie corps then clearly option 2 was what it was all about the whole time. |
NIKIA BETHUNE
Ill Omens EoN.
350
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Posted - 2013.07.02 06:34:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:lol this thread is full of crap.
There's like 5 threads about planet fight club - from NF - to Mavado - to Sha. This has been public info for a long time. SI has been giving districts to STB and ZIon as well as other corps - how do you think GAC got there in the first place?
This is you QQing that you did something without thinking and got negative back-lash for it.
Stop trying to mislead people on how this is being done - the people setting this up are mostly targetting smaller corps who wouldn't be in PC and want to train. It's not anyones fault that only the bigger corps are stepping up to join.
Bad propaganda is bad. Just stop sota. I'm down for your trolling but you just make ur agenda clear that ur against me and my corp. at least do a better job of it. |
SoTa PoP
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
3054
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Posted - 2013.07.02 06:47:00 -
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NIKIA BETHUNE wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:lol this thread is full of crap.
There's like 5 threads about planet fight club - from NF - to Mavado - to Sha. This has been public info for a long time. SI has been giving districts to STB and ZIon as well as other corps - how do you think GAC got there in the first place?
This is you QQing that you did something without thinking and got negative back-lash for it.
Stop trying to mislead people on how this is being done - the people setting this up are mostly targetting smaller corps who wouldn't be in PC and want to train. It's not anyones fault that only the bigger corps are stepping up to join.
Bad propaganda is bad. Just stop sota. I'm down for your trolling but you just make ur agenda clear that ur against me and my corp. at least do a better job of it. I don't care one way or the other if your CRONOS or some small corp - just learn to look before you leap. I haven't done half of what I can to you guys because you've been trying to sell district to smaller corps at reasonable prices - but your ego gets in the way of your good deeds. |
Girltoi
Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2013.07.02 09:39:00 -
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ALL HAIL QUEEN NIKIA!!!
What are you gonna use this "poll" to?
And more importently what are you gonna do about it? And what can you do about it?
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DaddyKillsEmAll
United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION
32
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Posted - 2013.07.02 10:16:00 -
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Skipper Jones wrote:
The only problem I see is if CCP successfully fixes the LAG in PC in 1.2
lol |
Mechoj Nomreps
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
25
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Posted - 2013.07.02 11:12:00 -
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As one for the Corporations who got a district for practice I am all for it. |
NIKIA BETHUNE
Ill Omens EoN.
352
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Posted - 2013.07.02 11:14:00 -
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I can tell you right now they idea was not made out of kindness the idea. Was put foward to protect the districts of alliances.
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Mechoj Nomreps
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
25
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Posted - 2013.07.02 11:18:00 -
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NIKIA BETHUNE wrote:I can tell you right now they idea was not made out of kindness the idea. Was put foward to protect the districts of alliances.
Well I think that was a bit shortsightened of them as this gives a good opportunity to practice and get better so we can take their districts on other planets. It beats simul-queing. |
Sha Kharn Clone
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1348
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Posted - 2013.07.02 11:39:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:lol this thread is full of crap.
There's like 5 threads about planet fight club - from NF - to Mavado - to Sha. This has been public info for a long time. SI has been giving districts to STB and ZIon as well as other corps - how do you think GAC got there in the first place?
This is you QQing that you did something without thinking and got negative back-lash for it.
Stop trying to mislead people on how this is being done - the people setting this up are mostly targetting smaller corps who wouldn't be in PC and want to train. It's not anyones fault that only the bigger corps are stepping up to join.
Bad propaganda is bad. This ^^
Also SI has giving (not selling them like you) districts away to smaller corps so stop your lies. What is it with you its like a flood gate has been opened or somthing.
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CHICAGOCUBS4EVER
TeamPlayers EoN.
587
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Posted - 2013.07.02 11:49:00 -
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When all the multiple district holders on oddeluf are down to 1 district I will gladly hand my lone district over to another interested party. Bottom line the idea will only work if mature adults are in charge of the areas on that planet. For this to work, oddeluf is in reality NOT a part of PC and should never be looked that way. TBH if interest increased we could make bosena an extension of this, but that's not even a thought yet cause oddeluf isn't full and this hasn't gotten off the ground.
Any and all grudges or ill will toward another corp can be checked at the door when passing thru oddeluf. Its a tourist attraction just waiting to get the power hooked up |
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NIKIA BETHUNE
Ill Omens EoN.
352
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Posted - 2013.07.02 11:49:00 -
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Sha Kharn Clone wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:lol this thread is full of crap.
There's like 5 threads about planet fight club - from NF - to Mavado - to Sha. This has been public info for a long time. SI has been giving districts to STB and ZIon as well as other corps - how do you think GAC got there in the first place?
This is you QQing that you did something without thinking and got negative back-lash for it.
Stop trying to mislead people on how this is being done - the people setting this up are mostly targetting smaller corps who wouldn't be in PC and want to train. It's not anyones fault that only the bigger corps are stepping up to join.
Bad propaganda is bad. This ^^ Also SI has giving (not selling them like you) districts away to smaller corps so stop your lies. What is it with you its like a flood gate has been opened or somthing. how many districts have i sold? |
CHICAGOCUBS4EVER
TeamPlayers EoN.
587
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Posted - 2013.07.02 11:51:00 -
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Sha I sent a crew your way for this. Hope they got in touch with you as it was late your time yesterday which I informed him but they definitely want in. |
Sha Kharn Clone
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1348
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Posted - 2013.07.02 11:52:00 -
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Powers already hooked up and its good to go. The last districts I have left are already booked out to corps its just a case of getting the Directors CEO's etc online.
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MORTADEL0
Grupo de Asalto Chacal CRONOS.
80
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Posted - 2013.07.02 11:53:00 -
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NIKIA BETHUNE wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:NIKIA BETHUNE wrote:I'm against it I think only corps not holding districts should be allow on fight club. That I could agree to. Actually why hasn't this been brought up...we already have a list of corps that have solid talent...let the small upcoming corps duke it out and find out how they match u vs other corps of similar skill. Like the other night when the 16 guys from some unknown corp beat 14 giant players without even breaking mcc shield. we could get the info broker to keep tabs and rotate them out if anyone is overwhelmingly OP in that section cause they ready for the big time. Lets go a step further. I think any corp they has quit PC shouldn't get a district.(yet) priority should be givin to up and comers and corps that have been removed.maybe make a tourney out of it. Offer 500mil to the winning corp. that conquers the planet.
Ok. GAC have had districts all days since first day. ;) And we are fighting many times against EON (some days 5/6 battles only against EON)
And EON attack us first, but it is not the important.
I hope all can enjoy the game like me. |
Sha Kharn Clone
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1348
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Posted - 2013.07.02 12:01:00 -
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CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote:Sha I sent a crew your way for this. Hope they got in touch with you as it was late your time yesterday which I informed him but they definitely want in.
Replied 2 x to him but TZ's urgh. At some point we will be online together he just has to send a voice chat invite to me. |
NIKIA BETHUNE
Ill Omens EoN.
352
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Posted - 2013.07.02 12:01:00 -
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best thing to do is to make oddeluf minor league PC if you have districts you don't need any on the planet. and i disagree will building a wall around EoN. by including bosena who would go for that?
the current form is fc is pro farming. measure should be taken to prevent that. |
Twisted202
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
118
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Posted - 2013.07.02 12:39:00 -
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I always up for new things.
One thing i would like to stress is protection for the "small corps". Any of us larger corps could turn bad and try take Fight Club over and if there is no protection they will have no chance of surviving on the planet. A simple chat could solve this where the whole Fight Club/PC community is, not just for protection but for ringing because smaller corps will most likely struggle with numbers and this will give them a chance.
And the idea of only giving land to corps not in PC is no good, other corps in PC have now taken land there and i doubt they will hand the district back.
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Sha Kharn Clone
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1348
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Posted - 2013.07.02 12:42:00 -
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Almost gave twisted a like then |
kiarbanor
S.e.V.e.N.
88
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Posted - 2013.07.02 14:24:00 -
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As a small corp that just moved into Planet Fight Club (PFC), IGÇÖll give my opinion on all of this. First and foremost, Se\7eN took the district with the intention of fighting. I truly loved the idea of one planet set aside for battles; where small corps could take on large corps, practice, learn, with no fear of losing their ability to fight again.
LetGÇÖs be honest, any corp in Dust can participate in PC; thatGÇÖs a fact. However, the degree in which they can participate is hindered by the way PC was built and rolled out. PC is truly for those elite corps and elite alliances. We can buy a clone pack and attack one of the districts and still get the GÇ£large corps, practice, learnGÇ¥ aspects. We canGÇÖt do that on a consistent basis, though. WeGÇöjust like most small corpsGÇöcanGÇÖt field 16 players every single day; we canGÇÖt afford 80 mil isk every single day; and we donGÇÖt want the pressure of defending every single day because it turns the game into a job.
I see PFC as a way to have 16 Se\7eN guys on the same side and a way to introduce new players to one of the most fascinating aspects of a FPS that IGÇÖve seen. Now, I know there are some serious issues with PC, but the concept and SoonGäó to come ideas are impressive. Right now, unless new players join one of the elite corps or new corps beg and plead to get into an elite alliance, there is no way for them to experience it. So, they will languish in the pub or FW matches, getting proto stomped.
What I would like to see is a mix of small corps and large corps on PFC. Unless a small corp sets up a battle with a large corp, the two wonGÇÖt mix. Small corps can practice against small corps; large corps can train their new recruits against other large corps recruits. Once a small corp gets the balls to do so, they can message and take on a large corp, just to test themselves. I can tell you right now, Se\7eN doesnGÇÖt care about getting stomped. We will message the large corps frequently to set something up.
I think the possibilities of this type of planet are endless: round robin tournaments, gambling, battles with only blue print fittings, etc. The only thing standing in the way is us.
Thanks for reading, and Happy Gaming!!! |
NAV HIV
The Generals EoN.
248
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Posted - 2013.07.02 14:34:00 -
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Girltoi wrote:ALL HAIL QUEEN NIKIA!!! What are you gonna use this "poll" to? And more importently what are you gonna do about it? And what can you do about it?
Queen Nikia? Is that a troll attempt or did you actually mean it? |
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XeroTheBigBoss
TeamPlayers EoN.
620
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Posted - 2013.07.02 14:40:00 -
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I like the idea, I don't think TP is participating in Fight Club at the moment.
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