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Delenne Arran
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Posted - 2013.07.02 04:02:00 -
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I primarily run Assault suits, so you can take what I'm about to say with a grain of salt. I think the problem vehicle users have is that they're mistaken about their role*. Not every battle needs four LAVs, two HAVs and a dropship. They shouldn't be your primary source of kills or income. A HAV should show up to turn the tide of the battle, to make short work of infantry huddled around the objective, or to destroy the enemy CRU and Supply Depots. The decision shouldn't just go "Well, the game started, time to call in my Madrugar." LAVs should be used to get from objective to objective and deal with any resistance encountered on the way. They shouldn't be used to reenact your Grand Theft Auto highlight reel.
I think the current pricing/payout supports this. It's not profitable to run a HAV for 2/3 of the match, five matches straight because you're not supposed to. That's also part of the point of the recall system, a benefit Infantry doesn't have**. Call a vehicle in, do what you need to do, and get it out before it goes up in smoke.
The old EVE saying "Don't fly anything you can't afford to lose" applies to DUST, too. If you can't afford to replace your vehicle, don't bring it to the fight to begin with. I know it must suck to have specced into something and not be able to make money with it, but that's kinda how it goes.
*Oh, would you look at that, another Assault player telling everyone else how to play.
** Yes, we have Supply Depots, but those only exist in certain spots on the map and can easily be destroyed by vehicles or stationary turrets. |
Delenne Arran
Ivory Hounds
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Posted - 2013.07.02 04:54:00 -
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KOBLAKA1 wrote:@Delene so whats a guy whose fully specced vehicles supposed to do when his HAV/DS isnt needed? starter fit snipe?
Pretty much, yeah. That's kind of why you shouldn't put yourself into such a specialty role without at least some skillpoints set aside for when your specialty isn't needed. Just like I wouldn't recommend going into just sniping if half the maps made that useless, I wouldn't recommend going into just vehicles if you're planning on playing game types where they aren't necessary or useful. Of course, the difference between someone who just snipes and someone who just uses vehicles is about 8 million SP. |
Delenne Arran
Ivory Hounds
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Posted - 2013.07.02 10:13:00 -
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Xender17 wrote:Vyzion Eyri wrote:The problem is balancing the freedom of choice on the battlefield with separating players into certain categories based on what they did in-game and dispensing rewards based on that.
The person who calls in a vehicle currently doesn't have to pilot it. The vehicle can be recalled. The enemy can hack it. So many factors which could easily undermine a system which rewards vehicle pilots more than infantry. What are you smoking? People mistake reward as WP too much. Most tankers have to go at least 3 matches to gain restock a good HAV, 3 on average for DS's. The reward we get at the end is also just the same as yours.
I believe they meant any hypothetical system that rewarded more based on whether you were using a vehicle or not, not that the current one does so.
Say we're on the same team. You call in a HAV, but before you hop into the driver's seat, I take it on a joyride. Should I get paid more for kills in your vehicle? I'm not the one risking it, but you're not driving it, so you shouldn't get anything out of it either. Or what if it gets hacked by the enemy team? Do they get the bonus ISK, or not? What about when you get 10 kills and recall it when the AV guys show up?
If there has to be any kind of mitigation for vehicle costs, the most fair way I could see doing it is either allowing pilots to insure their vehicles up to a maximum of 33% coverage. That said, as much fun as it is to have HAVs, LAVS, and Dropships all flying around, much like Prototype suits, I don't think they should be sustainable to use in every single instant battle a person does. |
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