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stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 186	Posted - 2013.06.29 19:58:00 - [1] - Quote Seriously 1/5 of my stamina for slamming the butt of my gun into the back of an enemy's head. What do you guys think, because honestly I think melee attacks shouldn't use stamina.
WhiteMage7322 Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 97	Posted - 2013.06.29 20:01:00 - [2] - Quote I know right. I like to panic melee people without having to worry about stamina being used.
Cat Merc Oculus Felis 1273	Posted - 2013.06.29 20:05:00 - [3] - Quote Lol
Severance Pay Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy 493	Posted - 2013.06.29 20:18:00 - [4] - Quote You know what is really awful? Guns using bullets, and reloading. Am I right? Why should I even shoot? I should just point the gun at them and they should die.
Green Living 0uter.Heaven League of Infamy 450	Posted - 2013.06.29 20:24:00 - [5] - Quote You know what I haven't had a in a while? Big League Chew.
stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 187	Posted - 2013.06.29 20:25:00 - [6] - Quote Severance Pay wrote: You know what is really awful? Guns using bullets, and reloading. Am I right? Why should I even shoot? I should just point the gun at them and they should die. Sarcasm that always help solve problems. But seriously though I'm not trying to QQ but stamina for melee attacks doesn't make sense to me, if everyone in the dust community wants it then so be it but I can't be the only one who feels this way.
XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 13	Posted - 2013.06.29 21:08:00 - [7] - Quote I think it sucks the only time it doesnt effect me is when im a scout
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 2954	Posted - 2013.06.29 21:10:00 - [8] - Quote Punching someone takes a lot of energy especially considering that you are trying to punch someone who is wearing an exoskeleton suit. Your body's muscles are also neurologically attached to your suit which augments your muscles for more effective melee action. Makes sense to me that they take up stamina in the process.
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 339	Posted - 2013.06.29 21:11:00 - [9] - Quote I think melee should use stamina. All physical actions use stamina. There is a reason pro fighters train endurance. Hand to hand combat is extremely taxing on your stamina. I would even go so far as to say that pro fighting is the most physically demanding sport there is. So yes, yes it should use stamina. 1/5 seems about right too. Seriously how many times do you think you could hit some one with the stock of a 12 lb weapon hard enough to get through armor before you get tired?
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 2954	Posted - 2013.06.29 21:12:00 - [10] - Quote XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO wrote: I think it sucks the only time it doesnt effect me is when im a scout It does effect scouts. You just hardly notice any drop in stamina.

Asher Night 187. League of Infamy 189	Posted - 2013.06.29 21:16:00 - [11] - Quote Severance Pay wrote: You know what is really awful? Guns using bullets, and reloading. Am I right? Why should I even shoot? I should just point the gun at them and they should die. You can tell how well a father raised a son to be a man by how sarcastically smug the son is. No great man in history that made a difference was sarcastic. Anyway... Yeah I think it's stupid. Using nova knives requires no stamina whatsoever, plus it does, what, 5x more damage when using proto IshNoks without even using any damage mods or perks? Plus with Nova Knives you're swinging two arms, as opposed to just one with regular melee. Right now, it may be a bad idea to have stamina-free meleeing. I can only imagine how many people are going to run around spamming melee after missing every bullet 5 feet away from an enemy because the aiming is goddamned atrocious.
Forlorn Destrier Bullet Cluster 1042	Posted - 2013.06.29 21:20:00 - [12] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: Severance Pay wrote: You know what is really awful? Guns using bullets, and reloading. Am I right? Why should I even shoot? I should just point the gun at them and they should die. Sarcasm that always help solve problems. But seriously though I'm not trying to QQ but stamina for melee attacks doesn't make sense to me, if everyone in the dust community wants it then so be it but I can't be the only one who feels this way. It's logical. The suits we are wearing are heavy so entering into a physical confrontation is going to tire you out, just like running and jumping does.
Vaux Karn The Mercenary Collective 19	Posted - 2013.06.29 21:22:00 - [13] - Quote If you think melee using stamina is stupid, try sprinting 50-100 meters and then immediately punching an 80 pound bag hard enough to make it do more than just shake. If you can, good for you, you will notice it is harder to do than just standing in front of the bag and punching. If you can't, you will still notice it is harder to do than just standing and punching. Either way, you have defeated your own argument. Congratulations!
Stefan Stahl Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 127	Posted - 2013.06.29 21:27:00 - [14] - Quote Asher Night wrote: No great man in history that made a difference was sarcastic. Do you even know who Winston Churchill was? Anyways, I think it's alright. The mechanic of using stamina for melee attacks means that you can't sprint up to someone to melee them, melee is instead a defensive move.
Asher Night 187. League of Infamy 189	Posted - 2013.06.29 21:32:00 - [15] - Quote Stefan Stahl wrote: Asher Night wrote: No great man in history that made a difference was sarcastic. Do you even know who Winston Churchill was? Anyways, I think it's alright. The mechanic of using stamina for melee attacks means that you can't sprint up to someone to melee them, melee is instead a defensive move. That's just one person. And as for my other point about Knives striking twice with one attack and requiring no stamina? Let's not pick and choose our arguments just so we don't lose. You'll point out my off topic statement, but not the one you SHOULD have responded to.
XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 13	Posted - 2013.06.29 21:35:00 - [16] - Quote Vaux Karn wrote: If you think melee using stamina is stupid, try sprinting 50-100 meters and then immediately punching an 80 pound bag hard enough to make it do more than just shake. If you can, good for you, you will notice it is harder to do than just standing in front of the bag and punching. If you can't, you will still notice it is harder to do than just standing and punching. Either way, you have defeated your own argument. Congratulations! I will make sure to keep 1/5 of my stamina just to punch you
Stefan Stahl Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 127	Posted - 2013.06.29 21:35:00 - [17] - Quote Asher Night wrote: That's just one person. I'm not trying to argue with you. Your lack of judgement just startled me.
hooc roht Deep Space Republic 141	Posted - 2013.06.29 21:35:00 - [18] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: Seriously 1/5 of my stamina for slamming the butt of my gun into the back of an enemy's head. What do you guys think, because honestly I think melee attacks shouldn't use stamina. Go take a boxing lesson then come back and tell us Melee does not take stamina
stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 190	Posted - 2013.06.29 21:40:00 - [19] - Quote hooc roht wrote: stlcarlos989 wrote: Seriously 1/5 of my stamina for slamming the butt of my gun into the back of an enemy's head. What do you guys think, because honestly I think melee attacks shouldn't use stamina. Go take a boxing lesson then come back and tell us Melee does not take stamina You're right , 5 punches and I was exhausted
Forlorn Destrier Bullet Cluster 1042	Posted - 2013.06.29 21:41:00 - [20] - Quote Asher Night wrote: Severance Pay wrote: You know what is really awful? Guns using bullets, and reloading. Am I right? Why should I even shoot? I should just point the gun at them and they should die. You can tell how well a father raised a son to be a man by how sarcastically smug the son is. No great man in history that made a difference was sarcastic. Anyway... Yeah I think it's stupid. Using nova knives requires no stamina whatsoever, plus it does, what, 5x more damage when using proto IshNoks without even using any damage mods or perks? Plus with Nova Knives you're swinging two arms, as opposed to just one with regular melee. Right now, it may be a bad idea to have stamina-free meleeing. I can only imagine how many people are going to run around spamming melee after missing every bullet 5 feet away from an enemy because the aiming is goddamned atrocious. This is extremely condescending and uncalled for. Also, I highly doubt you personally knew each great man that ever lived well enough to know that they never used sarcasm as a tool. That makes your statement hyperbole (at best) which to be honest isn't any better than actually being sarcastic. Nova knives don't use your strength, they use an energy field to do damage, Your arugment is still bunk.

KING CHECKMATE A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 136	Posted - 2013.06.29 21:43:00 - [21] - Quote ''Am I the only one who thinks melee taking stamina is stupid?'' Yes. The fact that melee needs stamina is the only thing that makes Nova knives a little better. A medium/Heavy suit can increase their melee GREATLY with Biotics and the only real advantage Nova Knives have is that they dont consume stamina. If You take away Stamina consumption from Melee attacks , you are greatly nerfing nova knives. :3
Forlorn Destrier Bullet Cluster 1042	Posted - 2013.06.29 21:43:00 - [22] - Quote Asher Night wrote: Stefan Stahl wrote: Asher Night wrote: No great man in history that made a difference was sarcastic. Do you even know who Winston Churchill was? Anyways, I think it's alright. The mechanic of using stamina for melee attacks means that you can't sprint up to someone to melee them, melee is instead a defensive move. That's just one person. And as for my other point about Knives striking twice with one attack and requiring no stamina? Let's not pick and choose our arguments just so we don't lose. You'll point out my off topic statement, but not the one you SHOULD have responded to. He responded to someone who was being a jerk - he's allowed to respomd to what he chooses to. Your arrogance is amazing sir, that you can in one breath say "no man" then say "that's only one". You only need one example to ruin a statement that is giving an absolute. As for the knives, I've rebuffed that as well. Next snarky comment?
Princeps Marcellus Expert Intervention Caldari State 59	Posted - 2013.06.29 21:50:00 - [23] - Quote It's ridiculously silly. If they wanted to include all the things that make you tired IRL, they could include kick from actually firing your gun, because controlling that takes lots of effort.
Severance Pay Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy 497	Posted - 2013.06.29 22:14:00 - [24] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: Severance Pay wrote: You know what is really awful? Guns using bullets, and reloading. Am I right? Why should I even shoot? I should just point the gun at them and they should die. Sarcasm that always help solve problems. But seriously though I'm not trying to QQ but stamina for melee attacks doesn't make sense to me, if everyone in the dust community wants it then so be it but I can't be the only one who feels this way. Oh. I thought you were trolling. If you wanna be serious, I WILL be serious. If melee attack get to be "free", then I want my shooting to not cost anything either, on the interest of balancing. The sooner you understand this the better.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 439	Posted - 2013.06.29 22:18:00 - [25] - Quote When boxers train, hell, when any hand-to-hand combatant trains, they train for strength and stamina. Strength for hitting harder. Stamina for being able to keep throwing punches and kicks longer. It makes sense, though it would be nice if MFS would reduce the amount of Stamina required.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 440	Posted - 2013.06.29 22:19:00 - [26] - Quote Princeps Marcellus wrote: It's ridiculously silly. If they wanted to include all the things that make you tired IRL, they could include kick from actually firing your gun, because controlling that takes lots of effort. Good idea, prolonged gunfire should eat your stamina too. +1 good sir.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 2071	Posted - 2013.06.29 22:19:00 - [27] - Quote What, I can punch forever without stopping, can't you guys? Bunch of wussies
Severance Pay Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy 498	Posted - 2013.06.29 22:26:00 - [28] - Quote All I am saying is if you get to quibble about stamina for melee then I am allowed to complain about guns using bullets. Behold, forum balancing.
Skipper Jones Red Star. EoN. 182	Posted - 2013.06.29 22:39:00 - [29] - Quote Carrying a futuristic gun with futuristic armor probably takes a lot of energy. Especially trying to swing it around.
Krom Ganesh Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 42	Posted - 2013.06.30 02:21:00 - [30] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: Princeps Marcellus wrote: It's ridiculously silly. If they wanted to include all the things that make you tired IRL, they could include kick from actually firing your gun, because controlling that takes lots of effort. Good idea, prolonged gunfire should eat your stamina too. +1 good sir. Shhh.... Don't give CCP anymore ideas to hurt the heavies.



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