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The Knight Faust
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.06.29 19:19:00 -
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As far as im concerd only chumps hopped on that band wagon of new OP wepon. Way to be diverse.
This wepon needs a nerf. Not a huge one. But one that would be good enough to make the people who use it actually have to try and not be so pathetically talentless. |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
2430
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Posted - 2013.06.29 19:20:00 -
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The Knight Faust wrote:As far as im concerd only chumps hopped on that band wagon of new OP wepon.
welcome to every FPS of all time.
It's natural for players to gravitate to the OP / EZ Mode stuff. It's up to the devs to balance stuff. But yea, expecting people to challenge themselves in a game lol... people love the EZ way out. |
Bazookah Tooth
Ghost Planet Syndicate
7
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Posted - 2013.06.29 19:22:00 -
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Are you kidding? I'm using a standard flaylock. And a HMG, if you can't shoot me before I shoot you, your strategy sucks |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
4191
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Posted - 2013.06.29 19:23:00 -
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The corelock reminds me a little of the noob combo back in Halo 2 (Plasma Pistol / BR), except it takes less skill and only one weapon slot  |
The Knight Faust
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2013.06.29 19:23:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:The Knight Faust wrote:As far as im concerd only chumps hopped on that band wagon of new OP wepon. welcome to every FPS of all time. It's natural for players to gravitate to the OP / EZ Mode stuff. It's up to the devs to balance stuff. But yea, expecting people to challenge themselves in a game lol... people love the EZ way out.
I feel like im taking crazy pills! Be diverse and find what works for you yanno! What happens when the game is actually balanced? All these people will have spent this time that wil go down the drain because the nature of the role is so different! Effectively screwing themselves out of all the good practice they could of had. |
The Knight Faust
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2013.06.29 19:24:00 -
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Bazookah Tooth wrote:Are you kidding? I'm using a standard flaylock. And a HMG, if you can't shoot me before I shoot you, your strategy sucks
Not talking about heavys...as they cant jump in the air 150 feet |
Baracka Flocka Flame
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
426
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Posted - 2013.06.29 19:25:00 -
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The Knight Faust wrote:What happens when the game is actually balanced?
lol |
Bazookah Tooth
Ghost Planet Syndicate
7
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Posted - 2013.06.29 19:25:00 -
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Exactly. Nerf that gun and kill my breed again. Stop being inconsiderate. |
King Kobrah
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
428
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Posted - 2013.06.29 19:26:00 -
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i was using the flaylock before it was cool
needs a 7m blast radius buff and a 25% damage buff at LEAST |
Bazookah Tooth
Ghost Planet Syndicate
7
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Posted - 2013.06.29 19:27:00 -
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Quote:What happens when the game is actually balanced? All these people will have spent this time that wil go down the drain because the nature of the role is so different! Effectively screwing themselves out of all the good practice they could of had.
By then we will all be better, and we will destroy them all |
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The Knight Faust
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2013.06.29 19:29:00 -
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Bazookah Tooth wrote:Exactly. Nerf that gun and kill my breed again. Stop being inconsiderate.
I run a heavy. I Knoww what your talking about. I dident say "NERF IS UNTIL ITS SO NERFED FOAM IS POURING OUT ITS EARS"!
I dont want that either, As it dosent Balance the game. But you and me use this wepon in the same way.
Have you seen all these proto assult or logis running two of them? Run up to you and jump and run awway if they dont get you. Everytime. And they rinse and repeat this over and over because there talentless chumps |
Nocturnal Soul
Immortal Retribution
13
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Posted - 2013.06.29 19:30:00 -
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King Kobrah wrote:i was using the flaylock before it was cool
needs a 7m blast radius buff and a 25% damage buff at LEAST
and thats when i quit this game |
King Kobrah
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
430
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Posted - 2013.06.29 19:32:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:King Kobrah wrote:i was using the flaylock before it was cool
needs a 7m blast radius buff and a 25% damage buff at LEAST and thats when i quit this game
i for one welcome our new flaylock514 overlords
better than AR514 right? |
The Knight Faust
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2013.06.29 19:32:00 -
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King Kobrah wrote:i was using the flaylock before it was cool
needs a 7m blast radius buff and a 25% damage buff at LEAST
Wow. uuummmm NO it dosent. Thats Literally Crazy |
Bazookah Tooth
Ghost Planet Syndicate
8
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Posted - 2013.06.29 19:33:00 -
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The Knight Faust wrote:Bazookah Tooth wrote:Exactly. Nerf that gun and kill my breed again. Stop being inconsiderate. I run a heavy. I Knoww what your talking about. I dident say "NERF IS UNTIL ITS SO NERFED FOAM IS POURING OUT ITS EARS"! I dont want that either, As it dosent Balance the game. But you and me use this wepon in the same way. Have you seen all these proto assult or logis running two of them? Run up to you and jump and run awway if they dont get you. Everytime. And they rinse and repeat this over and over because there talentless chumps
The problem is there is no happy medium. If the splash and direct wasn't so hi, as heavys we would not be able to jump the time gap required to kill those type of proto players. Next time instead of hatin a flaylock, pull one out and use it. It's not that hard to skill into. |
Bazookah Tooth
Ghost Planet Syndicate
8
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Posted - 2013.06.29 19:34:00 -
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It requires scrambler pistol accuracy, I think that's what your not realizing. Even as a heavy. I have to be accurate as crap to make the three shots count. So if you move I'm screwed.
Get some nike airs and move if you have a problem with them. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
4192
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Posted - 2013.06.29 19:41:00 -
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Bazookah Tooth wrote:It requires scrambler pistol accuracy
But it....
But it has....
It.
It has...
Splash....
2.0 on the Godlock! Nevermind dat projectile accuracy...
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Bazookah Tooth
Ghost Planet Syndicate
8
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Posted - 2013.06.29 19:44:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Bazookah Tooth wrote:It requires scrambler pistol accuracy But it.... But it has.... It. It has... Splash.... 2.0 on the Godlock! Nevermind dat projectile accuracy...
Haha I think I might go Godlock |
calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F
346
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Posted - 2013.06.29 19:55:00 -
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meh, i'll shoot you with it as long as it works then i'll shoot you with something else once you get it nerfed, end of the day you still get shot. |
The Knight Faust
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2013.06.29 19:56:00 -
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I have speced into them. They re easy as hell to use unless your a heavy. Which are the last people you see with them. The logis/assults and scouts that can jump clean over you and only use splash damage show that there easy to use. |
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The Knight Faust
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2013.06.29 19:57:00 -
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calisk galern wrote:meh, i'll shoot you with it as long as it works then i'll shoot you with something else once you get it nerfed, end of the day you still get shot.
Nice diversity there. Ill use whats strongest. Lame |
calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F
346
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Posted - 2013.06.29 19:59:00 -
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The Knight Faust wrote:calisk galern wrote:meh, i'll shoot you with it as long as it works then i'll shoot you with something else once you get it nerfed, end of the day you still get shot. Nice diversity there. Ill use whats strongest. Lame
name of the game is specialization not diversity. if I could use all the weapons I'd kill you with all of them.
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major faux-pas
Valor Coalition
RISE of LEGION
31
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Posted - 2013.06.30 16:22:00 -
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calisk galern wrote:meh, i'll shoot you with it as long as it works then i'll shoot you with something else once you get it nerfed, end of the day you still get shot.
Good - as long as this rubbish IS nerfed, I'm getting fed up with that stupid weapon.
Kill me with something else please, and let me die with SOME dignity
Flaylock round diameter: about 10mm
Massdriver round diameter: about 80mm
should be about 100 times less powerful.
and massdriver is balanced right (so CCP please dont start messing with that)
Flaylock is SO annoying because it is an instant kill with no power whatsoever (a bit like a 2 mph LAV)
It SHOULD also be HUGELEY inaccurate, but is precise. We are high-tech, armoured, shielded mercenaries... This **** shouldn't even hurt!  |
Altina McAlterson
Not Guilty
EoN.
573
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Posted - 2013.06.30 16:34:00 -
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I decided to test a theory and ran with the advanced flaylock for a few days, it's a world of difference. Reduce the radius to 1.5 for the proto and adjust advanced accordingly and you'll find a lot let bullshit with the gun. The advanced flaylock has splash radius that's probably about the same size as a merc laying down. Believe it or not that extra half a meter radius really makes a huge difference. I don't see anything wrong with the weapon's damage staying the same if the shooter has to be more accurate with it.
Although the possibility of reducing the explosive damage bonus to armor is another matter. |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
815
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Posted - 2013.06.30 16:44:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:The Knight Faust wrote:As far as im concerd only chumps hopped on that band wagon of new OP wepon. welcome to every FPS of all time. It's natural for players to gravitate to the OP / EZ Mode stuff. It's up to the devs to balance stuff. But yea, expecting people to challenge themselves in a game lol... people love the EZ way out.
Ironically, the biggest OP/EZmode bandwagon going in this game is people using the AR. |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
815
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Posted - 2013.06.30 16:46:00 -
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major faux-pas wrote:calisk galern wrote:meh, i'll shoot you with it as long as it works then i'll shoot you with something else once you get it nerfed, end of the day you still get shot. Good - as long as this rubbish IS nerfed, I'm getting fed up with that stupid weapon. Kill me with something else please, and let me die with SOME dignity Flaylock round diameter: about 10mm Massdriver round diameter: about 80mm should be about 100 times less powerful. and massdriver is balanced right (so CCP please dont start messing with that) Flaylock is SO annoying because it is an instant kill with no power whatsoever (a bit like a 2 mph LAV) It SHOULD also be HUGELEY inaccurate, but is precise. We are high-tech, armoured, shielded mercenaries... This **** shouldn't even hurt!
MD isn't even close to balanced. It's completely nerfed right now. Expect it to get buffed, maybe in 1.2
Sure, shaped charged missiles shouldn't hurt armored things. Please see any real world tank ever.
Let me guess, you're specced into AR and don't use any of these weapons you criticize. |
major faux-pas
Valor Coalition
RISE of LEGION
31
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Posted - 2013.06.30 20:36:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:MD isn't even close to balanced. It's completely nerfed right now. Expect it to get buffed, maybe in 1.2
Sure, shaped charged missiles shouldn't hurt armored things. Please see any real world tank ever.
Let me guess, you're specced into AR and don't use any of these weapons you criticize.
lol - guess again (now my turn: you use a needle?)
FYI, I have no points in AR, some points in flaylock, and used to be a massdriver user. So can I comment?
In future, before you point out what you think may be an 'obvious winner', think a little more 1) Tanks don't shoot 10mm shells, 2) they have a very long barrel and that might have something to do with the accuracy problem I mentioned. Alternatively, if you still can't accept this, in real life: go buy a mortar, saw off the end to pistol length, and try going 1 to 1 with an AR user. |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
820
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Posted - 2013.06.30 21:15:00 -
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major faux-pas wrote:Buster Friently wrote:MD isn't even close to balanced. It's completely nerfed right now. Expect it to get buffed, maybe in 1.2
Sure, shaped charged missiles shouldn't hurt armored things. Please see any real world tank ever.
Let me guess, you're specced into AR and don't use any of these weapons you criticize. lol - guess again (now my turn: you use a needle?) FYI, I have no points in AR, some points in flaylock, and used to be a massdriver user. In future, before you point out what you think may be an 'obvious winner', think a little more 1) Tanks don't shoot 10mm shells, 2) they have a very long barrel and that might have something to do with the accuracy problem I mentioned. Alternatively, if you still can't accept this, in real life: go buy a mortar, saw off the end to pistol length, and try going 1 to 1 with an AR user.
Barrel size doesn't really matter when discussing rocket propelled munitions.
Also, while true, that real world tanks usually fire 120mm rounds, they also usually have something like the equivalent of 300mm of armor or more. AFAIR, dropsuits are supposed to be on the order of 25mm. So, this, again, seems pretty consistent for Flaylock to plausibly do a lot of damage to any dropsuit.
As far as my usage, I am a former MD user as well. mostly using FP, but I also use SR occasionally and others. The FP is not OP.
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Cass Barr
Red Star.
EoN.
418
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Posted - 2013.06.30 21:26:00 -
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Shaped charges require a direct hit and do basically nothing if they miss.  |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
824
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Posted - 2013.06.30 21:28:00 -
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Cass Barr wrote:Shaped charges require a direct hit and do basically nothing if they miss.
Yes, and even modern shaped charges have the ability to be fitted with variable detonation fuses. In other words, they can be exploded in different modes depending on the circumstances.
Also, a blast radius of 2.5m max is very small indeed.
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