DUST Search - Yes, another "respec" thread...bear with me a little.

Myron Kundera wrote:

If someone has a link on a statement made by CCP about this matter, please link it here, cause in the end it-¦s only them who decide what is going to happen, if there isn't one yet, i asume CCP is considering the idea, because, by the amount of respec threads out there, CCP might have shed some light in the matter in order to stop people like myself posting threads about the issue. Maybe CCP has said something about this and my thread should be locked, but, if CCP has not taken a definitive posture on this, then i don't think any respec thread (in favor or against) should be closed, cause opinions in public forums should be free.

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Posted at 17.05.2013 17:04 by GM Grave
Hello,

This response is being sent to all users who have filed a support ticket in order to request a skill respec.

We would like to acknowledge receipt of your skill respect request and inform you that we have now flagged your account for a skill respec .

The skill respec will be applied to your characters in the coming days once we have completed and deployed changes to the skill tree. This one time respec will remove and refund all ISK and skill points that have been applied to date. Please ensure that due care is taken when spending skills and ISK as we will be unable to reverse ISK/SP spending in future.

If you wish to discuss issues that have not been addressed in this skill respec response, or believe you have received this message in error then please respond to this support ticket and we will attempt to address your issue.

Please accept my sincere apologies for any inconvenience this may have caused.

Please note that if you are receiving this message you are currently in a queue for a skill respec. Eligible customers who may have been misfiled and would like to request an Aurum account reset should respond to this ticket clarifying their request.

Regards,
GM Grave
CCP Customer Relations | EVE Online | DUST 514

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Myron Kundera Algintal Core Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.06.28 00:37:00 - [1] - Quote First of all, let me say i respect all opinions regarding this matter (which are many according to the various threads around), so this thread evolves around my idea as about how to approach this issue. It-¦s very simple: I think respec will be an asset to the game that will make it more appealing to new players and to some seasoned ones as well, but not all for sure. My proposition is this: Once a year you can respec your skills. No ISK or AURUM on this. Everyone gets 1 respec a year. Thats it. I would recommend January 1st and they will not stack, if you did not use it, you lose it, until next January 1st. Now, i read a lot of posts about this subject and will try to give my opinion as to why i think it-¦s a good idea. 1.- Respec will be OPTIONAL. You will use it only if you want to. If you feel like you don-¦t need it or you just simply don-¦t want to it-¦s ok, your choice, your game experience. Basically, let everyone decide for themselves. 2.- Since it will be a year after you can do it again, you have to cope with the new skill tree you just chose, and in my opinion it-¦s time enough for a player to invest a little time and effort into grasping the basics of how skills/weapons/fittings work in order to make accurate decisions about the game-¦s mechanics in the future. 3.- Since this will be OPTIONAL, I-¦m sure many players will respec maybe once or twice in a toon-¦s lifetime (2 years), cause the learning curve will be over by then and many will allready be familiar as to what to train for certain outcomes. 4.- You must understand that each person has a different approach to fun in gaming, so many will like it, many won-¦t, but thats the whole idea of CHOICE...let everyone decide. 5.- It-¦s all up to the DEV-¦s and CCP-¦s policies of gaming that will give it to us or not in the end, BUT, if gamers have a say on this matter, well, put it to a vote if you think the issue is worth it and let-¦s see what the majority says about it. Thanks for reading and keep in mind that i also played (2 years) EVE Online and know what it-¦s all about, still i think everyone is entitled to an opinion and thus i am saying it here. P.S.- "I may not agree with your point of view, but i will give my life to defend your right to express it".
Buster Friently Rosen Association 767	Posted - 2013.06.28 00:42:00 - [2] - Quote Here's the problem with this sort of idea. If they implemented a yearly respec, the forums would be filled with constant requests for respecs more often. While, personally, I don't think a respec every year on some rotating basis - definitely not everyone on Jan 1 as you suggest, wouldn't be destructive, I can't see it helping either. You get SP passively in this game already. All you have to do is wait to get the skills you want - this would be the same under a yearly respec, so no advantage there. Already, you can be wise with your SP by diversifying and by holding on to a buffer or savings of SP, so the smart people win. This is how Eve is, and I'd like to think that this is how Dust will be. It's better that players just get used to the idea that their decisions actually matter and are permanent.
FakeMyDeath Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 27	Posted - 2013.06.28 00:43:00 - [3] - Quote NO RESPEC EVER AGAIN... YOU ARE NOOB.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 2934	Posted - 2013.06.28 03:49:00 - [4] - Quote I respect your opinion as well on this, but I am never going to support any respec of any kind for the following reasons: 1. It cheapens the value of the skill points. What is the point in grinding 100,000,000 SP if 10,000,000 SP is enough to spec into any one specialty? Many of us are already at 15,000,000 SP at this point. 2. It will have a negative effect on the market (once it is fully integrated) as it suffers yearly shocks that can be detrimental to the overall bottom line of those who have dedicated months (if not an entire year) in analyzing and preparing ahead of key market trends. Imagine all of your research into analyzing the market is instantly undone as soon as players switch over to the next flavor of the month. Which brings me to my next point. 3. No matter how infrequent you create the respecs, players will always spec into the most powerful weapon in the game. This will prevent CCP from obtaining proper metrics that they need in determining what needs balancing and what doesn't as too many players are specced into one thing and not enough in another thus running the risk of improperly using the nerf bat on that flavor of the month or potentially making the seemingly weak-looking thing completely overpowered to compensate which will then make it the next OP item for the following year. 4. Players will then start demanding that they receive more respecs more frequently and will continue to do so forever anyways since now they see that CCP can be pressured into pleasing those who are just not use to accepting permanent consequences for their actions.
Matticus Monk Ordus Trismegistus 106	Posted - 2013.06.28 04:14:00 - [5] - Quote I have stated on other threads that I'm against the idea of respec, with the one exception being that CCP needs to refund the portions of the skill tree effected (suits) when the additional racial suits drop. However Maken and Buster have good points and the one that really strikes home for me is that if any type of respec is granted, people will just whine for more and more respecs to CCP and the game will loose it's permanency, and consequence. Just seeing the sheer, massive amounts of threads calling for respecs after 1.2, 1.3, when the rest of the racial suits come out, when the rest of the weapons come out, when the dog is done barking, when the toilet is done flushing, I'm already changing my opinion.... ugh. No more respecs. Ever. Save your SP if you want to have a lot of SP for when the new suits come out. Or spec into the current suits (sorry Heavies and Scouts, of which I am a scout) and just save a bit of that passive SP to experiment when the new stuff hits. Stand your ground CCP. No more respecs.... let's live with our consequences, prepare for the future, and clean up the damn forums by getting rid of the 'respec' threads.
Myron Kundera Algintal Core Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.06.28 16:24:00 - [6] - Quote I forgot to add on my previous post that the yearly respec option would be per account and not per toon, so even if you have your three toons active, you only would get one respec a year for any of the three, or two or one you are using. About corporation skills, i suppose that if the projected respec would affect a corporation on any way, those should stay permanent. If someone has a link on a statement made by CCP about this matter, please link it here, cause in the end it-¦s only them who decide what is going to happen, if there isn't one yet, i asume CCP is considering the idea, because, by the amount of respec threads out there, CCP might have shed some light in the matter in order to stop people like myself posting threads about the issue. Maybe CCP has said something about this and my thread should be locked, but, if CCP has not taken a definitive posture on this, then i don't think any respec thread (in favor or against) should be closed, cause opinions in public forums should be free. People have the choice in a public forum not to read something they dont like or read it, think about and still not post anything. In anyway, freedom of choice is very important to me as a person, so, if CCP leaves this option open for a vote i know what my vote is going to be, if not, it's theyre right, game-¦s still free and CCP owns it so they can do what ever they think it's best. I dont have much time playing Dust, that is true, and i may lack the experience of a seasoned player, true also, but i still think that this option is a matter of CHOICE, you can chose not to respec your toon if you dont want to. It-¦s like any other liberty, if CCP allows this, which is the main thing to know, players will have the CHOICE, not OBLIGATION, to benefit from the respec. In my case, and i dont know if any other people feel the same way, even if tanks were the flavor of the month, or nova knifes, i would not respec on them, why? cause i dont like tanks or nova knifes, i like dropsuits and AR, so, people may have many different motives to use respec, and not always the motives we think will be dominant, still, the only way to really know is to give it a try. I read that there have been 2 respecs before and the game goes on so, i still consider this option good. P.S.- Thanks for posting your points of view on this. I found some interesting arguments on the matter, but still consider that many of the cons posted are not related to choice, but to the consequences of it for other players, so, in the end, if CCP sees as opposers do that respec is a bad idea, then so be it, CCP has spoken and so have the players. Thanks again.
Mikey The Bandaid D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 11	Posted - 2013.06.28 16:41:00 - [7] - Quote Matticus Monk wrote: I have stated on other threads that I'm against the idea of respec, with the one exception being that CCP needs to refund the portions of the skill tree effected (suits) when the additional racial suits drop. However Maken and Buster have good points and the one that really strikes home for me is that if any type of respec is granted, people will just whine for more and more respecs to CCP and the game will loose it's permanency, and consequence. Just seeing the sheer, massive amounts of threads calling for respecs after 1.2, 1.3, when the rest of the racial suits come out, when the rest of the weapons come out, when the dog is done barking, when the toilet is done flushing, I'm already changing my opinion.... ugh. No more respecs. Ever. Save your SP if you want to have a lot of SP for when the new suits come out. Or spec into the current suits (sorry Heavies and Scouts, of which I am a scout) and just save a bit of that passive SP to experiment when the new stuff hits. Stand your ground CCP. No more respecs.... let's live with our consequences, prepare for the future, and clean up the damn forums by getting rid of the 'respec' threads. While I agree that respecs shouldn't be implemented, I have to disagree we with your last paragraph. The problem is the basic choices for dropsuits weren't completely offered. Guns, modules and equipment doesn't matter. There will be a constant state of new things being implemented and just beside new things are added doesn't mean we should get a respec. However, the fact that all the heavy/scout racial suits weren't available at release isn't really fair since assault and logistic players had everything available to them. I say this as a logi player myself. Players shouldn't have to "live with their consequence" of not having, what most would consider, the basic content available to them from the start when the other classes did. They are bein punished for something that is out of their control
Buster Friently Rosen Association 774	Posted - 2013.06.28 16:42:00 - [8] - Quote CCP has spoken on this. Way back at the end of closed beta, they said no more respecs barring something major. They have since had one optional respec, and have stated that there will not be another. I can't be bothered to dig the posts up for you. Suffice it to say that I don't support respecs. They are unneeded. It's not like you get a "redo" on your bank account. Plan accordingly. As I posted before, yearly respecs won't reduce forum whining, and they won't help players because players already get passive SP to the tune of 8 million SP per year. It's hard to imagine an sp problem that can't be solved with 8 million SP, and that's only passive. The future is unknown, plan accordingly. Optional or not, allowing future respecs will devalue sp decisions and undermine the (not yet implemented) economy. Also, as Dust integrates more tightly with Eve, you can bet respecs, if any, will be hard to come by. Expect your decisions to be permanent.
Myron Kundera Algintal Core Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.06.28 17:15:00 - [9] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: CCP has spoken on this. Way back at the end of closed beta, they said no more respecs barring something major. They have since had one optional respec, and have stated that there will not be another. I can't be bothered to dig the posts up for you. Suffice it to say that I don't support respecs. They are unneeded. It's not like you get a "redo" on your bank account. As I posted before, yearly respecs won't reduce forum whining, and they won't help players because players already get passive SP to the tune of 8 million SP per year. It's hard to imagine an sp problem that can't be solved with 8 million SP, and that's only passive. The future is unknown, plan accordingly. Optional or not, allowing future respecs will devalue sp decisions and undermine the (not yet implemented) economy. Also, as Dust integrates more tightly with Eve, you can bet respecs, if any, will be hard to come by. Expect your decisions to be permanent. Thanks for the info Buster, i didn-¦t know CCP had allready spoken on the matter. Guess you-¦re right, decisions will be permanent and i'll try to plan accordingly. Sorry for starting a thread on a solved issue, i'll try to be more careful next time.
Myron Kundera Algintal Core Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.06.28 17:18:00 - [10] - Quote @ C C P FRAME. Please lock this thread, seems the subject has been settled allready by you guys so no need to keep it open i guess. Sorry for the wasted thread space. :)

Matticus Monk Ordus Trismegistus 112	Posted - 2013.06.28 17:46:00 - [11] - Quote Mikey The Bandaid wrote: While I agree that respecs shouldn't be implemented, I have to disagree we with your last paragraph. The problem is the basic choices for dropsuits weren't completely offered. Guns, modules and equipment doesn't matter. There will be a constant state of new things being implemented and just beside new things are added doesn't mean we should get a respec. However, the fact that all the heavy/scout racial suits weren't available at release isn't really fair since assault and logistic players had everything available to them. I say this as a logi player myself. Players shouldn't have to "live with their consequence" of not having, what most would consider, the basic content available to them from the start when the other classes did. They are bein punished for something that is out of their control I hear you, man. This was my original stance on the subject. Ideally CCP would have all the suits out prior to the last respec so that this could have all been wrapped up nicely. But they didn't, and there is no timeline that I've seen which states when the additional light and heavy frame suits will be available..... It is unfair, you're absolutely right. But the truth is that if they say there will be 'one more respec' the cries for respecs until then, and after then, will never end. After the suits hit, the pilots will say another respec is warranted for when fighters come out. The scouts and ground vehicle will cry for another respec when speeder bikes come out.... I hear you. But I don't think it will ever end.... and it will dilute the premise of Dust, in addition to the other impacts as noted above.
RKKR The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 127	Posted - 2013.06.28 17:56:00 - [12] - Quote Something I mentioned in another thread: What about untraining one skill-level a week with a loss of X% SP of that levels SP? or something in these lines?
Oso Peresoso RisingSuns 36	Posted - 2013.06.28 17:57:00 - [13] - Quote DIdn't even read. No. No more respecs. Ever. Skill refunds only for skills that are removed entirely from the game.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 2943	Posted - 2013.06.28 18:56:00 - [14] - Quote Myron Kundera wrote: If someone has a link on a statement made by CCP about this matter, please link it here, cause in the end it-¦s only them who decide what is going to happen, if there isn't one yet, i asume CCP is considering the idea, because, by the amount of respec threads out there, CCP might have shed some light in the matter in order to stop people like myself posting threads about the issue. Maybe CCP has said something about this and my thread should be locked, but, if CCP has not taken a definitive posture on this, then i don't think any respec thread (in favor or against) should be closed, cause opinions in public forums should be free. Here is a response that everyone received for the final respec given for all respec petitions submitted prior to May 31st: Quote: Posted at 17.05.2013 17:04 by GM Grave Hello, This response is being sent to all users who have filed a support ticket in order to request a skill respec. We would like to acknowledge receipt of your skill respect request and inform you that we have now flagged your account for a skill respec . The skill respec will be applied to your characters in the coming days once we have completed and deployed changes to the skill tree. This one time respec will remove and refund all ISK and skill points that have been applied to date. Please ensure that due care is taken when spending skills and ISK as we will be unable to reverse ISK/SP spending in future. If you wish to discuss issues that have not been addressed in this skill respec response, or believe you have received this message in error then please respond to this support ticket and we will attempt to address your issue. Please accept my sincere apologies for any inconvenience this may have caused. Please note that if you are receiving this message you are currently in a queue for a skill respec. Eligible customers who may have been misfiled and would like to request an Aurum account reset should respond to this ticket clarifying their request. Regards, GM Grave CCP Customer Relations \| EVE Online \| DUST 514 There you have it. No more respecs in the foreseeable future.
Cross Atu Conspiratus Immortalis Covert Intervention 1223	Posted - 2013.06.28 19:08:00 - [15] - Quote First thank you for the tone and clarity of your post. Second I'm opposed to respecs and I will link the reasons why, I would be interested in your responses to these issues because if there's a way to resolve them I would re-examine my position. Look forward to hearing back for you. Cheers, Cross LINK/Quote: Gaelon Thrace wrote: Cross Atu wrote: To all Mercs in support of respecs please read and respond to in detail my posts #19 & #92. In this thread. As well as post #14 by Malkai Inos. There's a lot of ground to cover and the issues presented within those posts (as well as other posts in that thread) really do require an address before any such idea should be considered for adoption into the game. Cheers, Cross FYI you can link directly to the post by clicking the post number. I'll link the posts you mentioned here, here, and here to make it easier for anyone interested. EDIT: Reading fail on my part, didn't see a second page when I posed


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