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Jathniel
G I A N T EoN.
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Posted - 2013.06.29 04:49:00 -
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Vell0cet wrote:It's amazing how just adding the word "Nova" and a glow-effect can turn any stone-age weapon into a futuristic sci-fi one. Other suggestions: the "Nova big rock" requires a heavy suit and both hands to lift. You drop it on enemies from above for devastating damage. The "nova sharpened stick" is great for scouts too. And don't forget everyone's favorite, the "nova club" it's a glowing heavy stick that medium assaults can use to bludgeon their foes!
made me lol
I say bring it. Just put it in the game for clutter's sake.
The bow users will get owned enough times to realize why the gun rendered the bow obsolete. |
medomai grey
WarRavens League of Infamy
54
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Posted - 2013.06.29 06:13:00 -
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As cool as bows are, what would make any sane merc choose it over guns? What possible advantage could it provide to mercs? |
Lightning Bolt2
DUST University Ivy League
23
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Posted - 2013.06.29 06:15:00 -
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medomai grey wrote:As cool as bows are, what would make any sane merc choose it over guns? What possible advantage could it provide to mercs?
The advantages would be that its hard to detect and helps stealth battling because it'll be silent |
medomai grey
WarRavens League of Infamy
54
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Posted - 2013.06.29 06:29:00 -
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Lightning Bolt2 wrote:The advantages would be that its hard to detect and helps stealth battling because it'll be silent
I see your point. But there are more advantageous technologies for stealth killing than a bow; the sniper rifle being one. There has to be more reasons to use a bow in a setting with very high tech guns.
I like bows and want to support this, but I just don't see a justification for it.
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Lightning Bolt2
DUST University Ivy League
23
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Posted - 2013.06.29 06:35:00 -
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mabye make it low PG and CPU? That way on tight suits you can have an extra weapon (I'm good at a Bow & arrow )
you can charge it and pull the string back to deal more dmg and no splash but faster bullets than the plasma cannon and more accurate |
medomai grey
WarRavens League of Infamy
54
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Posted - 2013.06.29 06:52:00 -
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Lightning Bolt2 wrote:mabye make it low PG and CPU? That way on tight suits you can have an extra weapon (I'm good at a Bow & arrow ) you can charge it and pull the string back to deal more dmg and no splash but faster bullets than the plasma cannon and more accurate [edit] I don't want this to become a god weapon so not saying OP stats
Low CPU makes perfect sense. But the PG requirement should be high because of the additional aid your suit would have to provide in order to pull a bow that could potentially damage Dust514's drop-suits. It should also consume stamina while the bow-string is being pulled back. The arrow should arc more with less charge.
Still missing something that only a bow could do an a gun couldn't.
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Lightning Bolt2
DUST University Ivy League
23
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Posted - 2013.06.29 06:56:00 -
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Its made from the same blades Nova knives are so its real sharp and can can charge after finishing pulling the bow to deal even more dmg, do you see a Nova knife scout struggling to penetrate the DUST 514 Armor?
any1 know just how sharp Nova Knives are? |
Vell0cet
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
28
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Posted - 2013.06.29 09:21:00 -
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Lightning Bolt2 wrote:any1 know just how sharp Nova Knives are?
Sharper than the Nova Heavy Rock, for sure. |
pegasis prime
The Shadow Cavalry Mercenaries DARKSTAR ARMY
341
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Posted - 2013.06.29 10:25:00 -
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Just immagin the black ops capability minja scout with knives and a bow f#@k yea call it the hunter. Or munter lol
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pegasis prime
The Shadow Cavalry Mercenaries DARKSTAR ARMY
341
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Posted - 2013.06.29 12:06:00 -
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medomai grey wrote:Lightning Bolt2 wrote:mabye make it low PG and CPU? That way on tight suits you can have an extra weapon (I'm good at a Bow & arrow ) you can charge it and pull the string back to deal more dmg and no splash but faster bullets than the plasma cannon and more accurate [edit] I don't want this to become a god weapon so not saying OP stats Low CPU makes perfect sense. But the PG requirement should be high because of the additional aid your suit would have to provide in order to pull a bow that could potentially damage Dust514's drop-suits. It should also consume stamina while the bow-string is being pulled back. The arrow should arc more with less charge. Still missing something that only a bow could do an a gun couldn't.
Bows are almost silent compaird to a gun and modern bows are almost as deadly . Hell a starting bow now will have a leathal range of about 50 m with a draw of 120lb. And a velocity of 350m a second. |
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Oswald Rehnquist
Abandoned Privilege General Tso's Alliance
36
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Posted - 2013.06.29 12:38:00 -
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Lightning Bolt2 wrote:Its made from the same blades Nova knives are so its real sharp and can can charge after finishing pulling the bow to deal even more dmg, do you see a Nova knife scout struggling to penetrate the DUST 514 Armor?
any1 know just how sharp Nova Knives are?
Have you wondered why you can't sprint and charge nova knives at the same time?
Your target has to be stationary to knife them, and the charge up time is to utilize where you strike, which most likely one would then target under the chin or throat as a knife is not long enough to kill anyone by length without choosing the right spot which leads to severe hemorrhaging and exsanguination. Another reason for the charge up time could also be that you need to be careful because long charges may damage the weapon.
Arrows on the other hand are long enough to kill by piercing the naked human body if they hit the right spot. The sheer amount of draw strength it would take to piece armor (and shields) would be huge even with a recurve or compound bow, which also means that arrows will not curve at all or else lack the strength to kill if you are targeting the thickest part of the armor (head/chest).
Even if you somehow had arm strength to rip cars apart to be able to carry the draw there would also be an issue of of how it would charge and the sheer inefficient cost of utilizing such. Due to different flight times the heads need to be charged the entire time and most likely would have to be hot while aiming the bow. This means that each arrow would have to consume a lot of energy for a much longer time than a quick nova knife swing. Gun ammo stores a lot more energy but is able to release it all at once making it a much more energy efficient system that is able to deal a lot of damage per shot (meaning bows wouldn't be able to get close to either damage or range of even the basic sidearms we have). Also with each arrow fired you are essentially throwing away a nova knife costing arrow each with each shot. Storing this ammo wouldn't be fun either.
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Oswald Rehnquist
Abandoned Privilege General Tso's Alliance
36
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Posted - 2013.06.29 12:41:00 -
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pegasis prime wrote:medomai grey wrote:Lightning Bolt2 wrote:mabye make it low PG and CPU? That way on tight suits you can have an extra weapon (I'm good at a Bow & arrow ) you can charge it and pull the string back to deal more dmg and no splash but faster bullets than the plasma cannon and more accurate [edit] I don't want this to become a god weapon so not saying OP stats Low CPU makes perfect sense. But the PG requirement should be high because of the additional aid your suit would have to provide in order to pull a bow that could potentially damage Dust514's drop-suits. It should also consume stamina while the bow-string is being pulled back. The arrow should arc more with less charge. Still missing something that only a bow could do an a gun couldn't. Bows are almost silent compaird to a gun and modern bows are almost as deadly . Hell a starting bow now will have a leathal range of about 50 m with a draw of 120lb. And a velocity of 350m a second.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNctHsLQzVY
boom, bow and arrows and a simple concrete block that we can buy at any home improvement store |
Vell0cet
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
29
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Posted - 2013.06.29 17:54:00 -
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pegasis wrote:Bows are almost silent compaird to a gun and modern bows are almost as deadly . Hell a starting bow now will have a leathal range of about 50 m with a draw of 120lb. And a velocity of 350m a second. How about a gun with a silencer?
I'd only support the nova bow if CCP gave the Minmatar Elf-ears, and the Amarr got to ride dragons. I think you're playing the wrong game. |
pegasis prime
The Shadow Cavalry Mercenaries DARKSTAR ARMY
345
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Posted - 2013.06.29 22:46:00 -
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Vell0cet wrote:pegasis wrote:Bows are almost silent compaird to a gun and modern bows are almost as deadly . Hell a starting bow now will have a leathal range of about 50 m with a draw of 120lb. And a velocity of 350m a second. How about a gun with a silencer? I'd only support the nova bow if CCP gave the Minmatar Elf-ears, and the Amarr got to ride dragons. I think you're playing the wrong game.
As much as id love elf ears on my minja scout I dont think ccp will give me them ad for dragons we have dropships with a firey death included in the package. I just think a tec bow or tec cross bow would be awesome. |
Lightning Bolt2
DUST University Ivy League
28
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Posted - 2013.06.29 22:48:00 -
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Oswald Rehnquist wrote:Lightning Bolt2 wrote:Its made from the same blades Nova knives are so its real sharp and can can charge after finishing pulling the bow to deal even more dmg, do you see a Nova knife scout struggling to penetrate the DUST 514 Armor?
any1 know just how sharp Nova Knives are? Have you wondered why you can't sprint and charge nova knives at the same time? Your target has to be stationary to knife them, and the charge up time is to utilize where you strike, which most likely one would then target under the chin or throat as a knife is not long enough to kill anyone by length without choosing the right spot which leads to severe hemorrhaging and exsanguination. Another reason for the charge up time could also be that you need to be careful because long charges may damage the weapon.
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2Bee Smith
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
1
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Posted - 2013.06.30 05:48:00 -
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Vell0cet wrote:It's amazing how just adding the word "Nova" and a glow-effect can turn any stone-age weapon into a futuristic sci-fi one. Other suggestions: the "Nova big rock" requires a heavy suit and both hands to lift. You drop it on enemies from above for devastating damage. The "nova sharpened stick" is great for scouts too. And don't forget everyone's favorite, the "nova club" it's a glowing heavy stick that medium assaults can use to bludgeon their foes!
oh shut up |
Oswald Rehnquist
Abandoned Privilege General Tso's Alliance
36
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Posted - 2013.06.30 06:26:00 -
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Lightning Bolt2 wrote:Oswald Rehnquist wrote:Lightning Bolt2 wrote:Its made from the same blades Nova knives are so its real sharp and can can charge after finishing pulling the bow to deal even more dmg, do you see a Nova knife scout struggling to penetrate the DUST 514 Armor?
any1 know just how sharp Nova Knives are? Have you wondered why you can't sprint and charge nova knives at the same time? Your target has to be stationary to knife them, and the charge up time is to utilize where you strike, which most likely one would then target under the chin or throat as a knife is not long enough to kill anyone by length without choosing the right spot which leads to severe hemorrhaging and exsanguination. Another reason for the charge up time could also be that you need to be careful because long charges may damage the weapon. so you saying when I charge my Nova knives and hit you in the chest charging the Nova Knives are "utilising where to strike"
The Nova Knife is not long enough to kill with a simple stab, and there are no exploding bits or directional energy blowing chucks through you beyond the thrust/slash. In fact a stab wound with the heat would most likely cauterize. You would need to 1) piece a vital organ, or create a slashing wound to create a large enough opening to bleed out. So yes, precision with a knife is a requirement to create a kill or heavy debilitating damage.
Games have restrictions when portraying real life phenomenas, like when dnd games do stealth, targets don't simple vanish in thin air, but a little imagination is used to portray a mechanic or function we can perform in the real world. |
pegasis prime
The Shadow Cavalry Mercenaries DARKSTAR ARMY
347
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Posted - 2013.06.30 08:43:00 -
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Nova bow nova bow .....NO VA BOOOOOOW |
Lightning Bolt2
DUST University Ivy League
30
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Posted - 2013.07.01 05:20:00 -
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Just read the description on the nova knives they use tech fields to cut through even the THICKEST of dropsuit armor, so the Nova Bow & Arrow will work, will be happy using in skirmish/Domination if this is added.
edit: I just checked out the flaylocks arc and its PERFECT for the Nova bow and the arrow should move faster then the flaylock rockets to make up for charge time |
Oswald Rehnquist
Abandoned Privilege General Tso's Alliance
37
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Posted - 2013.07.01 06:45:00 -
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Lightning Bolt2 wrote:Just read the description on the nova knives they use tech fields to cut through even the THICKEST of dropsuit armor, so the Nova Bow & Arrow will work, will be happy using in skirmish/Domination if this is added. edit: I just checked out the flaylocks arc and its PERFECT for the Nova bow and the arrow should move faster then the flaylock rockets to make up for charge time
I see you have mastered the art of completely bypassing posts 41 and 42 though I did not fully explain why a nova arrow would be limited on the piercing department, my bit on nova knives are that knives are only so long so even with penetration, lethal shots have to be made with procession due to the limited length of the knife before reaching the hilt but the pressure of a knife which is not the limitation of a bow and arrow system (as seen in my self quote). The ability of the arrow head to penetrate wasn't questioned on the ability of a nova tipped arrow head burning through armor but on the delivery system.
Quickly moving your hand in and out of a flame causes little if any damage but holding your hand in a flame hurts like hell and causes more damage. All forward momentum generated by the arrow is literally on the draw. While arrows have more force per square inch than a knife, its not the force which cuts through armor, its the sustained high temperature. Nova Knives providing directional energy so long as the user is pressing the knife into the individual making the kinetic force continuous, arrows lose their forward momentum once they hit an object, the forward momentum is also finite, meaning the directional energy generated by a bow and arrow delivery system would be insufficient without some godly draw strength.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQgrrbaEcBs
Lasers have continuous directional energy when they cut through steel, the nova knife also has the continues pressure exerted by a hand, arrows do not, and the draw strength to give them enough directional energy to go through would be incredible.
Oswald Rehnquist wrote:
Arrows on the other hand are long enough to kill by piercing the naked human body if they hit the right spot. The sheer amount of draw strength it would take to piece armor (and shields) would be huge even with a recurve or compound bow, which also means that arrows will not curve at all or else lack the strength to kill if you are targeting the thickest part of the armor (head/chest).
Even if you somehow had arm strength to rip cars apart to be able to carry the draw there would also be an issue of of how it would charge and the sheer inefficient cost of utilizing such. Due to different flight times the heads need to be charged the entire time and most likely would have to be hot while aiming the bow. This means that each arrow would have to consume a lot of energy for a much longer time than a quick nova knife swing. Gun ammo stores a lot more energy but is able to release it all at once making it a much more energy efficient system that is able to deal a lot of damage per shot (meaning bows wouldn't be able to get close to either damage or range of even the basic sidearms we have). Also with each arrow fired you are essentially throwing away a nova knife costing arrow each with each shot. Storing this ammo wouldn't be fun either.
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Lightning Bolt2
DUST University Ivy League
32
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Posted - 2013.07.02 07:10:00 -
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