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Makyre Vahliha GamersForChrist Orion Empire 210	Posted - 2013.06.27 10:00:00 - [1] - Quote Well, almost everyone who has the SP anyway. It'll be everywhere. I was hoping the Pilot suit would be in to balance it out with the Commando suit. Personally I think they should have waited on the Commando and put it up along with the other suits on the same day. I was pretty excited about the Commando until I began hearing that it would be the only suit to drop in. So I will just wait until everyone gets burned out with the Commando suit. For now, I still have my love, the proto Logi!
ChromeBreaker SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 592	Posted - 2013.06.27 10:03:00 - [2] - Quote Makyre Vahliha wrote: I still have my love, the proto Logi! Going to get nurfed
Makyre Vahliha GamersForChrist Orion Empire 210	Posted - 2013.06.27 10:04:00 - [3] - Quote ChromeBreaker wrote: Makyre Vahliha wrote: I still have my love, the proto Logi! Going to get nurfed That's nice. However it gets nerfed is irrelevant. Eventually everything will be balanced out.
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 627	Posted - 2013.06.27 10:06:00 - [4] - Quote Who would really want to though? The suit is looking like it's going to suck and it's going to be a huge SP sink for everyone, at least to get to Proto. Heavies will have to skill into the suit itself and since they're heavies, probably a light weapon or two as well. Non-heavies will have to skill into both Heavy Frame 3, then the suit itself and possibly another light weapon if they don't already have the weapons they need for the suit. I just can't see this suit being used by many people.
GLiMPSE X Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 177	Posted - 2013.06.27 10:06:00 - [5] - Quote Makyre Vahliha wrote: Well, almost everyone who has the SP anyway. It'll be everywhere. I was hoping the Pilot suit would be in to balance it out with the Commando suit. Personally I think they should have waited on the Commando and put it up along with the other suits on the same day. I was pretty excited about the Commando until I began hearing that it would be the only suit to drop in. So I will just wait until everyone gets burned out with the Commando suit. For now, I still have my love, the proto Logi! Please enlighten us as to how you arrived at this realization, oh, dust fortuneteller.
Syther Shadows The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 177	Posted - 2013.06.27 10:09:00 - [6] - Quote Makyre Vahliha wrote: ChromeBreaker wrote: Makyre Vahliha wrote: I still have my love, the proto Logi! Going to get nurfed That's nice. However it gets nerfed is irrelevant. Eventually everything will be balanced out. check out the laser and say that :P the weapon is fine they just penalize people now by making the sites on it REALLY hard to work with
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon DARKSTAR ARMY 223	Posted - 2013.06.27 10:12:00 - [7] - Quote Not out, already OP XD
Godin Thekiller Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 207	Posted - 2013.06.27 10:32:00 - [8] - Quote Syther Shadows wrote: Makyre Vahliha wrote: ChromeBreaker wrote: Makyre Vahliha wrote: I still have my love, the proto Logi! Going to get nurfed That's nice. However it gets nerfed is irrelevant. Eventually everything will be balanced out. check out the laser and say that :P the weapon is fine they just penalize people now by making the sites on it REALLY hard to work with the only problem with it IMO. Fix the sights on the thing and it will be fine, maybe SLIGHTLY increase the damage build up
Michael Arck sephiroth clones General Tso's Alliance 40	Posted - 2013.06.27 10:34:00 - [9] - Quote Let off some steam, Bennett!
LT SHANKS Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 21	Posted - 2013.06.27 10:36:00 - [10] - Quote I'll patiently wait for my Minmitar Heavy frame.

Daedric Lothar Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 738	Posted - 2013.06.27 11:14:00 - [11] - Quote Do you really need a suit that has 2 light weapon slots? I'm sure it has penalties, but the idea of having 2 weapon slots seems to me that you cannot get the job done with the bullets you have. I could see dualing an AR and a Mass Driver, but that isn't much different then just slotting an AR, grenades and a Nanohive.
Kekklian Noobatronic Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 91	Posted - 2013.06.27 11:19:00 - [12] - Quote Each suit filled a niche, and I'm just not seeing what niche the commando fills. I've got enough SP to go from 0 to Proto(Standard suit) saved up, and I've been holding off to see if the Commando was worth it. As a ~real heavy~, I find that my Heavy suit is mediocre for running down armor tanks, so I was thinking of speccing back in to Amarr Medium suits for Swarm duty. As cool as the Commando seems, if it's as slow and unresponsive as the Heavy, there's no way in heck it'll see any real use. And we don't even know what bonuses it gives yet :/ Also not promising.
Michael Cratar Fenrir's Wolves RUST415 225	Posted - 2013.06.27 11:21:00 - [13] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: Who would really want to though? The suit is looking like it's going to suck and it's going to be a huge SP sink for everyone, at least to get to Proto. Heavies will have to skill into the suit itself and since they're heavies, probably a light weapon or two as well. Non-heavies will have to skill into both Heavy Frame 3, then the suit itself and possibly another light weapon if they don't already have the weapons they need for the suit. I just can't see this suit being used by many people. I honestly will use it. Unlike most people. I didn't spec into only 1 weapon. You can do a lot with two light weapons. Just gotta be creative.
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 841	Posted - 2013.06.27 11:23:00 - [14] - Quote Oh oh, starting to worry it will be the "sniper's self-defence suit" with the instant swap to an effective alternate weapon.

ChribbaX Otherworld Enterprises Dust Control Otherworld Empire Productions 468	Posted - 2013.06.27 11:24:00 - [15] - Quote Michael Cratar wrote: Bendtner92 wrote: Who would really want to though? The suit is looking like it's going to suck and it's going to be a huge SP sink for everyone, at least to get to Proto. Heavies will have to skill into the suit itself and since they're heavies, probably a light weapon or two as well. Non-heavies will have to skill into both Heavy Frame 3, then the suit itself and possibly another light weapon if they don't already have the weapons they need for the suit. I just can't see this suit being used by many people. I honestly will use it. Unlike most people. I didn't spec into only 1 weapon. You can do a lot with two light weapons. Just gotta be creative. Dual AR! Or... yeah I don't know. But I wanna play and try.

Django Quik R.I.f.t 766	Posted - 2013.06.27 13:44:00 - [16] - Quote I don't see many people speccing into it from medium frames purely because you'll be slow like a brick. The 2 light weapons is most suited to non-forge AV players - can you imagine someone with 2 proto swarm launchers? 8 swarms before needing to reload!
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F 340	Posted - 2013.06.27 13:50:00 - [17] - Quote seems like specialty end game suit not a main, I don't think anybody has really specced into alt suits yet, but i'm getting close to that point. for me that's where a suit like this belongs
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers EoN. 498	Posted - 2013.06.27 13:53:00 - [18] - Quote Tac + AR could be a pretty deadly combo though, and only need 1 LW specialization for it.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 4146	Posted - 2013.06.27 13:54:00 - [19] - Quote As it currently stands on the info that we have, the stats will kill any advantages that you gain from using two light weapons. What's also frustrating is that this class is more appealing to non heavies, and sentinel is already non appealing to heavies. Classic DUST Anyways, that dev blog was supposed to be out yesterday (lol) so we'll just have to wait and see, as usual.
Django Quik R.I.f.t 766	Posted - 2013.06.27 13:56:00 - [20] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Anyways, that dev blog was supposed to be out yesterday (lol) so we'll just have to wait and see, as usual. No. They said a dev blog would be out yesterday and it was. They never said which of the 3 dev blogs this week would be on the commando suit.

fixitgd S.e.V.e.N. 38	Posted - 2013.06.27 13:59:00 - [21] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Let off some steam, Bennett! A masterpiece of a one liner.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 425	Posted - 2013.06.27 14:00:00 - [22] - Quote Uh, nope, I can scrub it up on my own without needing the help of any dedicated Scrub dropsuit.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 4146	Posted - 2013.06.27 14:00:00 - [23] - Quote Django Quik wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Anyways, that dev blog was supposed to be out yesterday (lol) so we'll just have to wait and see, as usual. No. They said a dev blog would be out yesterday and it was. They never said which of the 3 dev blogs this week would be on the commando suit. I'm pretty sure someone said it was going to be the commando blog. Either way, it's not going to have the stats that we need to actually judge the suit (or at least, I highly doubt it will have the stats) I'm just curious with their reasoning for going this route, when the heavy already doesn't feel very heavy at all. In theory we should have that blog at some point today, here's hoping.
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers EoN. 498	Posted - 2013.06.27 14:00:00 - [24] - Quote Nevermind...
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 425	Posted - 2013.06.27 14:02:00 - [25] - Quote LT SHANKS wrote: I'll patiently wait for my Minmitar Heavy frame. I. Want. My. Minmatar. Ogre. Suit. NAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Django Quik R.I.f.t 766	Posted - 2013.06.27 14:03:00 - [26] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: I'm pretty sure someone said it was going to be the commando blog. Either way, it's not going to have the stats that we need to actually judge the suit (or at least, I highly doubt it will have the stats) I'm just curious with their reasoning for going this route, when the heavy already doesn't feel very heavy at all. In theory we should have that blog at some point today, here's hoping. Actually found it; specifically said Thursday. And it was in response to you as well! CCP Eterne wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Quote: Commando dropsuits let you equip two light weapons such as shotguns and ARs, offering extreme versatility at the cost of some punch. This is extremely vague. Can you shed any more light on the Commando? A dev blog on the dropsuit is coming on Thursday (unless any issues crop up with it at the last minute).
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 4146	Posted - 2013.06.27 14:03:00 - [27] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: LT SHANKS wrote: I'll patiently wait for my Minmitar Heavy frame. I. Want. My. Minmatar. Ogre. Suit. NAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Gallente for me, that thing looks like a Demon
Provolonee Undefined Risk DARKSTAR ARMY 4	Posted - 2013.06.27 14:05:00 - [28] - Quote I might skill into the STD model. 2x lasers!
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 630	Posted - 2013.06.27 14:11:00 - [29] - Quote Django Quik wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: I'm pretty sure someone said it was going to be the commando blog. Either way, it's not going to have the stats that we need to actually judge the suit (or at least, I highly doubt it will have the stats) I'm just curious with their reasoning for going this route, when the heavy already doesn't feel very heavy at all. In theory we should have that blog at some point today, here's hoping. Actually found it; specifically said Thursday. And it was in response to you as well! We were also supposed to get a devblog on their roadmap this week. I think Eterne said wednesday regarding that one. I'm not sure what happened to it.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 425	Posted - 2013.06.27 14:12:00 - [30] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: Django Quik wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: I'm pretty sure someone said it was going to be the commando blog. Either way, it's not going to have the stats that we need to actually judge the suit (or at least, I highly doubt it will have the stats) I'm just curious with their reasoning for going this route, when the heavy already doesn't feel very heavy at all. In theory we should have that blog at some point today, here's hoping. Actually found it; specifically said Thursday. And it was in response to you as well! We were also supposed to get a devblog on their roadmap this week. I think Eterne said wednesday regarding that one. I'm not sure what happened to it. I thought it was supposed to be today.

Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 630	Posted - 2013.06.27 14:15:00 - [31] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: I thought it was supposed to be today. Well, he did say wednesday here https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=974560#post974560 It could've been pushed to thursday of course, but we should also be getting that one on the Commando suit today, so I don't know.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 4148	Posted - 2013.06.27 14:16:00 - [32] - Quote Django Quik wrote: Actually found it; specifically said Thursday. And it was in response to you as well! CCP Eterne wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Quote: Commando dropsuits let you equip two light weapons such as shotguns and ARs, offering extreme versatility at the cost of some punch. This is extremely vague. Can you shed any more light on the Commando? A dev blog on the dropsuit is coming on Thursday (unless any issues crop up with it at the last minute). Ooh I missed that, good find I stand corrected. Don't fail me now, Eterne
First Prophet Jaguar Empire 203	Posted - 2013.06.27 14:18:00 - [33] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: LT SHANKS wrote: I'll patiently wait for my Minmitar Heavy frame. I. Want. My. Minmatar. Ogre. Suit. NAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's not an ogre suit.
KOBLAKA1 Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 96	Posted - 2013.06.27 14:27:00 - [34] - Quote LT SHANKS wrote: I'll patiently wait for my Minmitar Heavy frame. same but without the patient part
The dark cloud Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1559	Posted - 2013.06.27 14:38:00 - [35] - Quote i highly doubt that commando will be overused so much. Sure you have 2 light weapons and a equipment slot but you loose the grenade slot and have only 2 high and 1 low slot on the proto variant. This is a massive drawback in terms of fitting.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 4150	Posted - 2013.06.27 14:41:00 - [36] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: i highly doubt that commando will be overused so much. Sure you have 2 light weapons and a equipment slot but you loose the grenade slot and have only 2 high and 1 low slot on the proto variant. This is a massive drawback in terms of fitting. Especially when you consider that your speed is still the same (and likely your turn speed), yet you have something like 300-400 less HP :/
Fox Gaden DUST University Ivy League 556	Posted - 2013.06.27 14:55:00 - [37] - Quote Makyre Vahliha wrote: Well, almost everyone who has the SP anyway. It'll be everywhere. I was hoping the Pilot suit would be in to balance it out with the Commando suit. Personally I think they should have waited on the Commando and put it up along with the other suits on the same day. I was pretty excited about the Commando until I began hearing that it would be the only suit to drop in. So I will just wait until everyone gets burned out with the Commando suit. For now, I still have my love, the proto Logi! I will not be using a Commando suit. - Slow! - Large hit box. - Same damage as a Medium or Light frame suit. I will be using a skilled up SMG as my primary weapon and running with whatever Suit and situational weapon fits the task at hand. Some of my more used fits: Scout: SMG/Swarm Launcher, Nano Hive Scout: SMG/Shotgun, Drop Uplink Scout: SMG/Sniper Rifle, Nano Hive Scout: SMG/SMG, Drop Uplink Assault: SMG/Swarm Launcher, Nano Hive Assault: SMG/Shotgun, Drop Uplink Assault: SMG/Sniper Rifle, Nano Hive Assault: SMG/SMG, Drop Uplink The only thing you give up with an SMG is range (30m max) so you have to use cover to get close or get them to come to you. For more information read my guid: SMG, Unlocking Versatility
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 4150	Posted - 2013.06.27 14:59:00 - [38] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: The only thing you give up with an SMG is range (30m max) so you have to use cover to get close or get them to come to you. [/url] Smg goes great with Scrambler Rifle or flux nades, that thing chomps armor better than an HMG I mean that too, I've killed so many HMG heavies in 1v1 with my toxin. Hey man, every heavy needs his sidearm; commandos just prefer bigger sidearms.
Straum Arjn Scholae Evocati Interstellar Conquest Enterprises 27	Posted - 2013.06.27 15:03:00 - [39] - Quote You guys realize that they have the stats to a commando suit already out? It's in the uprising.csv. Commando suits (as they are in the upsrising.csv) have a little less total HP, but they melee harder than normal heavies and are faster. They're about as fast as logis.
Fox Gaden DUST University Ivy League 556	Posted - 2013.06.27 15:04:00 - [40] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: Oh oh, starting to worry it will be the "sniper's self-defence suit" with the instant swap to an effective alternate weapon. You do have a point. If it gets an equipment slot then it will be a good sniper suit. There are already snipers that use a heavy suit, particularly for anti-sniper work.

Fox Gaden DUST University Ivy League 556	Posted - 2013.06.27 15:06:00 - [41] - Quote Straum Arjn wrote: You guys realize that they have the stats to a commando suit already out? It's in the uprising.csv. Commando suits (as they are in the upsrising.csv) have a little less total HP, but they melee harder than normal heavies and are faster. They're about as fast as logis. Could someone provide a link? I would like to see the stats.
RoundEy3 Metal Mind Industries 146	Posted - 2013.06.27 15:06:00 - [42] - Quote My guess is that most of your power grid or CPU will be used up by the 2 light weapons leaving little room for mods and tank. That concept in itself should make a huge difference in how they will perform. You can't switch weapons if you're dead.
Beren Hurin OMNI Endeavors 558	Posted - 2013.06.27 15:08:00 - [43] - Quote It probably won't strafe nearly as well as assaults though either. I'm just waiting to see the suit's skill benefits. A Scrambler rifle + MD combo will be mad
RoundEy3 Metal Mind Industries 146	Posted - 2013.06.27 15:09:00 - [44] - Quote Beren Hurin wrote: A Scrambler rifle + MD combo will be mad you read my mind.
Fox Gaden DUST University Ivy League 556	Posted - 2013.06.27 15:09:00 - [45] - Quote ChribbaX wrote: Dual AR! Or... yeah I don't know. But I wanna play and try. With faster weapon switching in the patch notes you may have something there. I already use duel SMG and switch SMGGÇÖs rather than reloading when I run a clip dry in a fire fight. With th extra Health of the Commando suit, combined with the sustained fire of two full AR clips, that might be a fun play style.
oso tiburon The Generals EoN. 34	Posted - 2013.06.27 15:10:00 - [46] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: Who would really want to though? The suit is looking like it's going to suck and it's going to be a huge SP sink for everyone, at least to get to Proto. Heavies will have to skill into the suit itself and since they're heavies, probably a light weapon or two as well. Non-heavies will have to skill into both Heavy Frame 3, then the suit itself and possibly another light weapon if they don't already have the weapons they need for the suit. I just can't see this suit being used by many people. 2 light weapons ? you mean i would have to aim ... fuggggs that noise
Straum Arjn Scholae Evocati Interstellar Conquest Enterprises 27	Posted - 2013.06.27 15:13:00 - [47] - Quote Straum Arjn wrote: You guys realize that they have the stats to a commando suit already out? It's in the uprising.csv. Commando suits (as they are in the upsrising.csv) have a little less total HP, but they melee harder than normal heavies and are faster. They're about as fast as logis. Edit:[DEV] Gallente Commando Type-I (cpu)165 gF (melee)240.0 HP (walk speed)4.2 m/s (shield)75 HP (armour)375 HP (scan precision)60 dB (shield recharge time)6.0 s (shield recharge rate)15.0 HP/s (shield recharge after 0)10.0 s (armour reps)0.0 HP/s (scan profile)65 dB (stamina)180 (pg)32 kW (meta)1 (stamina recovery)15.0 /s (scan radius)10.0 m (sprint duration)18.0 s (sprint speed)5.9 m/s This is of course old, since the official release, so subject to change, but this is what CCP has for it so far.
pegasis prime The Shadow Cavalry Mercenaries DARKSTAR ARMY 335	Posted - 2013.06.27 15:24:00 - [48] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: Who would really want to though? The suit is looking like it's going to suck and it's going to be a huge SP sink for everyone, at least to get to Proto. Heavies will have to skill into the suit itself and since they're heavies, probably a light weapon or two as well. Non-heavies will have to skill into both Heavy Frame 3, then the suit itself and possibly another light weapon if they don't already have the weapons they need for the suit. I just can't see this suit being used by many people. It is a niche suit probably best suited to people who have playd for a while and have experience running heavy. What I do like is the possibility of no more whing ing about any wepon being op as this suit will allow everyone the chance to carry their desired light wepon and equip a counter wepon fir every niche rolle I.e. assault rifle +sniper rifle combo will be used by many snipers and folks sick of not being able to counter snipers whilst still maintaining their ar role. Think of a squad of 4 comandos and 2 logies ifproperly eqiped you have front line ar squad with a counter to almost any nniche roll. The whole thing about being slower than an assault can be over come by putting skills into speed and stamina. This is potentially the most flexible suit in the game.
Fox Gaden DUST University Ivy League 556	Posted - 2013.06.27 15:24:00 - [49] - Quote Ok, so far: - Good for a Heavy sniper because it has an equipment slot. (Standard Heavy may still be better for anti-sniper work due to greater health.) - Good for weapon switching. Double the clip size for AR. Double Scrambler Rifle for instant switch when you start to overheat.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 425	Posted - 2013.06.27 15:27:00 - [50] - Quote First Prophet wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: LT SHANKS wrote: I'll patiently wait for my Minmitar Heavy frame. I. Want. My. Minmatar. Ogre. Suit. NAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's not an ogre suit. Sure as **** not an Angel suit.

Shadowswipe WarRavens League of Infamy 126	Posted - 2013.06.27 16:11:00 - [51] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: Ok, so far: - Good for a Heavy sniper because it has an equipment slot. (Standard Heavy may still be better for anti-sniper work due to greater health.) - Good for weapon switching. Double the clip size for AR. Double Scrambler Rifle for instant switch when you start to overheat. Add to that AR + Swarm. This will likely be the combo most use. I know personally, I run only AV nades cause I can pick my infantry fights and win with my primary weapon without use of nade. It is those damn vehicles that get pulled out when you dont' have a swarm or a depot around to switch. I can live without nade, they are mostly a crutch as people don't use them for groups that are entrenched. 1v1, you should be able to kill them with your primary weapon. Nades should be used for clusters of enemies.


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