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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative.
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Posted - 2013.06.26 23:06:00 -
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Minmatar combat rifle and Caldari rail rifle
Gallente ion pistol and Caldari rail pistol
Gallente Minmatar and Amarr melee weapons
Gallente and Amarr heavy weapons
Minmatar Gallente and Caldari heavy dropsuits
Caldari and Amarr light dropsuits
Minmatar and Amarr LAVs
Minmatar and Amarr tanks
Minmatar and Amarr drophips
When all these are here, we should all have one last optional respec. Why? Without all the racial variants, we could not make informed choices of what we wanted from our characters since we didn't have the full set of basic options. It could be argued that we could have just never specialized and just waited, but its unreasonable to expect players to just militia gear a year or more into release, and thus sacrifice the ability to play competitively.
We don't need respecs like MTACs, fighters, and other non-basic stuff gets added |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative.
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Posted - 2013.06.27 00:08:00 -
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KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:No please because this game is never supposed to be ready; there is going to always be new stuff behing corner to keep us hooked.
Using the logic that 'if new content is being released everyone DESERVES a respec we would have neverending stream of respecs. Or people petitioning for them.
If you want to max out on day one the brand new suit that's gonna be released, you'd better save some SP. Or wait a bit longer, it isn't that bad. Really.
I said ONLY for the variants of existing stuff, NOT for things like MTACs, fighters, and other completely new types of items. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative.
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Posted - 2013.06.27 00:15:00 -
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Malkai Inos wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:No please because this game is never supposed to be ready; there is going to always be new stuff behing corner to keep us hooked.
Using the logic that 'if new content is being released everyone DESERVES a respec we would have neverending stream of respecs. Or people petitioning for them.
If you want to max out on day one the brand new suit that's gonna be released, you'd better save some SP. Or wait a bit longer, it isn't that bad. Really. I said ONLY for the variants of existing stuff, NOT for things like MTACs, fighters, and other completely new types of items. How do you feel about extending this to generally apply to missing racial symmetry, already existing or not. The way i see it we will have this discussion again whenever new content is released without all four racial variants in place.
Example? |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative.
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Posted - 2013.06.27 00:30:00 -
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Malkai Inos wrote:Caldari MTACs beeing released first, others following a few months later => three quarters of users demand a respec because they actually wanted to use a racial equivalent and moan about beeing forced to effectively retrain their current role.
Not that i support this kind of reasoning but it's already clear that this will happen whenever new content is not released with racial symmetry. I think we should account for this if we really have to go down the respec route. My first reply is pretty much identical to your proposal with the only difference beeing that it's designed to become a general rule instead of beeing limited to some point in time.
I would be ok if there were more respecs for stuff like that, but I personally don't think its needed. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative.
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Posted - 2013.06.27 00:55:00 -
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Malkai Inos wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Malkai Inos wrote:Caldari MTACs beeing released first, others following a few months later => three quarters of users demand a respec because they actually wanted to use a racial equivalent and moan about beeing forced to effectively retrain their current role.
Not that i support this kind of reasoning but it's already clear that this will happen whenever new content is not released with racial symmetry. I think we should account for this if we really have to go down the respec route. My first reply is pretty much identical to your proposal with the only difference beeing that it's designed to become a general rule instead of beeing limited to some point in time. I would be ok if there were more respecs for stuff like that, but I personally don't think its needed. To be quite honest i don't think any of this is needed as i'm on the "preserve SP, spec when released, done" side of the debate. What i'm arguing is that if we were to allow respecs for "basic" things like heavies, ARs and others why not for "non-basic" stuff like MTACs? What's the difference between those two anyway, other than that one exists now but only partially and the other beeing released later but still only partially? MTACs and jets will be the primary role for many players just as HAVs wich you included into your list. They will face the same issues that current heavy, LAV, HAV, and DS users face now and for this reason i see no justification for treating them differently just because the one are released and the others aren't. My proposal boils down to "Grace period for one limited respec from one racial equivalent to another whenever a new racial equivalent gets released". That locks FOTM abuse right out of the door and gives a clear rules for whether an addition warrants a respec and why.
You make a good point, though I don't see FOTM abuse as an issue since they generally will just get nerfed/balanced. I do like the partial respec idea. |
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