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sammus420 Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 156	Posted - 2013.06.26 06:41:00 - [1] - Quote Looking at the patch notes, I noticed that it mentions a fix for forge gun projectiles, but nothing for the Mass Driver. Is this just an oversight from the guys writing the patch notes, or is it really not getting fixed yet?
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 996	Posted - 2013.06.26 06:50:00 - [2] - Quote sammus420 wrote: Looking at the patch notes, I noticed that it mentions a fix for forge gun projectiles, but nothing for the Mass Driver. Is this just an oversight from the guys writing the patch notes, or is it really not getting fixed yet? There might be. The dev blog closes with: Quote: This release includes a host of important stability and performance fixes, as well as new items, features and gear balancing This is after stuff like the range edits and new modules get mentioned in the blog though. So, maybe there are "gear balancing" changes that they didn't bother explicitly spelling out in the patch notes. That wouldn't be a first.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 4555	Posted - 2013.06.26 06:52:00 - [3] - Quote Zeylon Rho wrote: sammus420 wrote: Looking at the patch notes, I noticed that it mentions a fix for forge gun projectiles, but nothing for the Mass Driver. Is this just an oversight from the guys writing the patch notes, or is it really not getting fixed yet? There might be. The dev blog closes with: Quote: This release includes a host of important stability and performance fixes, as well as new items, features and gear balancing This is after stuff like the range edits and new modules get mentioned in the blog though. So, maybe there are "gear balancing" changes that they didn't bother explicitly spelling out in the patch notes. That wouldn't be a first. The mass driver problem I think he refers to is a bug with the explosions, not a balancing issues.
sammus420 Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 156	Posted - 2013.06.26 06:59:00 - [4] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: The mass driver problem I think he refers to is a bug with the explosions, not a balancing issues. This is correct, the issue being the location of the explosion and where the projectile goes don't match up.
Aoena Rays Bragian Order Amarr Empire 240	Posted - 2013.06.26 07:02:00 - [5] - Quote Patch notes never EVER list everything.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 998	Posted - 2013.06.26 07:14:00 - [6] - Quote Aoena Rays wrote: Patch notes never EVER list everything. Yeah, this was more my point. I realize there are de-sync issues rendering the projectiles ineffective, but it's possible some of the engine performance tweaks makes them more useful again. On the other hand, they could have an unlisted splash damage increase (or fix to how objects occlude/don't occlude splash damage), since radius buff seems to be their fix to nanite injectors.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 5391	Posted - 2013.06.26 07:29:00 - [7] - Quote I believe the fix for mass drivers is filed under server improvements because it is a server to client issue in hopes of getting both to see the same story. Hold on while I see if I can get an answer.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 265	Posted - 2013.06.26 07:38:00 - [8] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I believe the fix for mass drivers is filed under server improvements because it is a server to client issue in hopes of getting both to see the same story. Hold on while I see if I can get an answer. Say what you want about wolf but can't deny he's an ok guy
Shouper of BHD Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 179	Posted - 2013.06.26 07:42:00 - [9] - Quote sammus420 wrote: Looking at the patch notes, I noticed that it mentions a fix for forge gun projectiles, but nothing for the Mass Driver. Is this just an oversight from the guys writing the patch notes, or is it really not getting fixed yet? MDs, vehicle support actions, flaylocks, plasma cannons, small railguns you name it, most is UI and new dropsuits but I think CCP will go for more vehicles and guns next patch.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 5395	Posted - 2013.06.26 07:46:00 - [10] - Quote Well I just got done talking with CCP Wolfman about it, there should be some improvements in for 1.2 with continued tweaking afterwards. Let any of us know if it doesn't get entirely fixed (or at all) after the patch deploys. I hope is that the fix will be good enough to see where the mass driver belongs on the field and if its still viable weapon of sorts. While I have seen it used very effectively as a CqC killer I haven't seen any long range suppression action with it lately.

XeroTheBigBoss TeamPlayers EoN. 571	Posted - 2013.06.26 08:29:00 - [11] - Quote sammus420 wrote: Looking at the patch notes, I noticed that it mentions a fix for forge gun projectiles, but nothing for the Mass Driver. Is this just an oversight from the guys writing the patch notes, or is it really not getting fixed yet? There's nothing wrong with MD. They are fixed.... They damage ARMOR as intended.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 5397	Posted - 2013.06.26 08:57:00 - [12] - Quote XeroTheBigBoss wrote: sammus420 wrote: Looking at the patch notes, I noticed that it mentions a fix for forge gun projectiles, but nothing for the Mass Driver. Is this just an oversight from the guys writing the patch notes, or is it really not getting fixed yet? There's nothing wrong with MD. They are fixed.... They damage ARMOR as intended. Sigh... since you're not paying attention. The story the client (you) sees and what actually happens (sever) was two different stories when it game to various projectile based weapons the Mass Drive most heavily affected. This allowed for extremely frustrating operation of the mass driver from having shells go through people and not detonate to shells hitting one place and well... the explosion meters away in different direction sometimes. In short it is not the stats of the weapon in question but usability and function being broken in the first place.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 1961	Posted - 2013.06.26 09:02:00 - [13] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: XeroTheBigBoss wrote: sammus420 wrote: Looking at the patch notes, I noticed that it mentions a fix for forge gun projectiles, but nothing for the Mass Driver. Is this just an oversight from the guys writing the patch notes, or is it really not getting fixed yet? There's nothing wrong with MD. They are fixed.... They damage ARMOR as intended. Sigh... since you're not paying attention. The story the client (you) sees and what actually happens (sever) was two different stories when it game to various projectile based weapons the Mass Drive most heavily affected. This allowed for extremely frustrating operation of the mass driver from having shells go through people and not detonate to shells hitting one place and well... the explosion meters away in different direction sometimes. In short it is not the stats of the weapon in question but usability and function being broken in the first place. Don't waste your breath on him, he''ll just complain about how scout suits have it worse, and then state scouts don't complain... even though he's complaining about scouts in (almost) every thread he posts in
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 1961	Posted - 2013.06.26 09:03:00 - [14] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Heck maybe the plasma cannon gets useful, lol. That'll be the day
Laurent Cazaderon What The French CRONOS. 1637	Posted - 2013.06.26 09:05:00 - [15] - Quote sammus420 wrote: Looking at the patch notes, I noticed that it mentions a fix for forge gun projectiles, but nothing for the Mass Driver. Is this just an oversight from the guys writing the patch notes, or is it really not getting fixed yet? I think it is implied somewhere.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1003	Posted - 2013.06.26 10:37:00 - [16] - Quote They added to the patch notes: Quote: Additional 1.2 changes include: * All the salvage acquired during a planetary conquest match will now been shown on the End of Match screen instead of just 5 items * Improved speed of RDV vehicle delivery as well as applied tweaks to the RDV AI * Improved server to client performance of projectile based weaponry * Chat channels with more than 50 users (mercenaries or capsuleers) will now operate in delayed chat mode
Godin Thekiller Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 188	Posted - 2013.06.26 10:59:00 - [17] - Quote What happened to the pilot suits? I saw the skill in the trailer, and I think CCP Frame said at E3 (can't remember who, so tired right now) said that that they were coming in the next build. Anyways, Yea, the MD, and pretty much every much every other explosive weapon is under the client/server note. Peace, Godin
RKKR The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 124	Posted - 2013.06.26 11:23:00 - [18] - Quote Well...they said they were going to do monthly updates or something close like that so they need to have content to update for...
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. League of Infamy 441	Posted - 2013.06.26 12:05:00 - [19] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Well I just got done talking with CCP Wolfman about it, there should be some improvements in for 1.2 with continued tweaking afterwards. Let any of us know if it doesn't get entirely fixed (or at all) after the patch deploys. My hope is that the fix will be good enough to see where the mass driver belongs on the field and if its still viable weapon of sorts. While I have seen it used very effectively as a CqC killer I haven't seen any long range suppression action with it lately. Either way time will tell. Heck maybe the plasma cannon gets useful, lol. This is true about CqC 50% of the time or maybe less. The other half is well documented. I think any person that's stuck with the mass driver should be reimbursed for losing tons of suits to people who shouldn't have been alive.
Medic 1879 Tritan's Onslaught RISE of LEGION 476	Posted - 2013.06.26 12:08:00 - [20] - Quote Zeylon Rho wrote: They added to the patch notes: Quote: Additional 1.2 changes include: * All the salvage acquired during a planetary conquest match will now been shown on the End of Match screen instead of just 5 items * Improved speed of RDV vehicle delivery as well as applied tweaks to the RDV AI * Improved server to client performance of projectile based weaponry * Chat channels with more than 50 users (mercenaries or capsuleers) will now operate in delayed chat mode Faster RDV's! Poor dropship pilots.

DEVILJIN 49 Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2013.06.26 23:34:00 - [21] - Quote Be your own Judge. What game looks like more fun to you? Dust.........Or this......... Planetside 2 Coming to PS4 this year 1080p Ultra settings at Night Intense Open Field Battle 100 Man Infantry Objective Push Desert Infantry Line Huge Desert Tank Battle 100 Tank Convoy 150 man Air Raid 65/0 Kill streak in the air NC Montage Planetside 2 Machinima Factions Explained Why you should Play Planetside 2 From Vets
Aquinarius Zoltanus 0uter.Heaven League of Infamy 126	Posted - 2013.06.26 23:55:00 - [22] - Quote Medic 1879 wrote: Faster RDV's! Poor dropship pilots. I believe it means that the RDV's will appear faster (closer to the '15 seconds' that the announcer always says), not that they will necessarily move faster in the air. As far as the mass driver, if this truly fixes some of the issues, I will be a happy camper. But there still will be some lingering issues that annoy me about the mass driver. Such as the unnecessary radius nerf and the flattening of the projectile trajectory. Actually, the radius I can live with, but the change in trajectory is just much, much worse than in chromosome. The mass driver needs an arced rather than straight trajectory so you can realistically land it near your target with any thing other than immense high ground advantage. I hope they look at this at some point, and bring it closer to how it was in Chromosome.
Spectral Clone The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 44	Posted - 2013.06.27 13:45:00 - [23] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I believe the fix for mass drivers is filed under server improvements because it is a server to client issue in hopes of getting both to see the same story. Hold on while I see if I can get an answer. Is this also applicable for the plasma cannon?
IR Scifi Silver Talon Corporation 39	Posted - 2013.06.27 14:30:00 - [24] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Well I just got done talking with CCP Wolfman about it, there should be some improvements in for 1.2 with continued tweaking afterwards. Let any of us know if it doesn't get entirely fixed (or at all) after the patch deploys. My hope is that the fix will be good enough to see where the mass driver belongs on the field and if its still viable weapon of sorts. While I have seen it used very effectively as a CqC killer I haven't seen any long range suppression action with it lately. Either way time will tell. Heck maybe the plasma cannon gets useful, lol. Best news I've heard today, Nice to see our threadnaught finally did some damage.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 5446	Posted - 2013.06.27 15:54:00 - [25] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I believe the fix for mass drivers is filed under server improvements because it is a server to client issue in hopes of getting both to see the same story. Hold on while I see if I can get an answer. Is this also applicable for the plasma cannon? All projectile based so that would be the plasma cannon, flay lock (dear god), mass Drivers, swarm launchers, and I think the missile launchers.
KA24DERT Not Guilty EoN. 61	Posted - 2013.06.27 16:49:00 - [26] - Quote What worries me are the optimal range changes. I hope that the damage for the mass driver remains consistent throughout its range. The potency of the explosion should not be diminished by the distance travelled. The last thing we need is another nerf. P.S. Really this weapon should just be reverted to Chromosome functionality. The time to kill with the mass driver was probably the highest of any weapon in the game, even BEFORE the Uprising nerfs. P.P.S. Don't forget the trajectory. Put it back. If you want flat trajectory, put it on the assault variant.
Spectral Clone The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 44	Posted - 2013.06.27 16:50:00 - [27] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: flay lock (dear god) I thought about this previously.. If the hit detection is broken on PLC and MD, it might aswell be broken on the flaylock. LOL! Inb4 flaylock nerf
xLTShinySidesx Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 450	Posted - 2013.06.27 17:01:00 - [28] - Quote The FP does have some issues with registering, it won't register any splash damage if the round doesn't land on a flat surface, sometimes the round goes right thru the person etc... I know people may laugh at this or some may even be a little worried by this but it is the truth.
getu pfool D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1	Posted - 2013.06.27 19:12:00 - [29] - Quote ( WUT ANG KICKS YOU IN THE FACE) ROADHOUSE....


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