DUST Search - Heavies: The Bastard Child of DUST

Master Jaraiya wrote:

CCP Eterne wrote:

For the most part, we want to focus on getting things like aiming and movement right and fun before we turn back to filling out these roles. Getting those nailed down has been one of the major pieces of feedback we've heard from players and reviews of the game following the Uprising deployment.

This would only make me feel better if I didn't know you were adding new Roles and new Modules. The only reason this issue hasn't received more attention than it has is because the Medium Classes and Roles have all variants.

If the shoe were on the other foot and the Light Class/Scout/Pilot and Heavy Class/Sentinel/Commando had all Racial Variants while the Medium Class/Assault had only Caldari and the Medium Class/Logistics had only Minmatar and Gallente you can bet the farm these forums would be on fire with nearly every single player in the game complaining about not having all dropsuit choices available to them upon release and demanding that this be rectified immediately.[/uote

CCP Eterne wrote:

There will be teams that are still working on the other dropsuits, don't worry. However, they aren't coming out in the immediate point releases that the dev blog is talking about.

Well now we know when they're not coming!

Master Jaraiya wrote:

Don't get me wrong, I greatly appreciate all of the hard work you guys are putting into the game, as well as the concerted effort at communicating more with the community.

I do honestly feel that having all of the Racial Variants of all currently existing classes of Dropsuits and Vehicles should be more of a priority than adding new Roles of Dropsuits and Vehicles.

At the very least could someone in the know comment on this. If something like that is possible or in the works for the rapid fire updates? Is out of the question completely?

Letting this segment of the community know something would definitely not go unnoticed.

[quote=CCP Eterne]

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Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 2381	Posted - 2013.06.25 18:26:00 - [1] - Quote I won't even get into the nerfs and all that QQ stuff we've spoken about 1000's of times. I wanna talk about the LACK of suit choice. Sorry CCP, being frank the Commando suit is worthless for people waiting on the other racial heavy suits. To make things even better, the Commando suit is Amarr...at least from the pictures I've seen, and why not. It's the same frame to copy / paste, just change the colors. I understand 3D rendering isn't the easiest of things to do, but tell me how can a class, the Assault, get ALL 5 RACES, while the heavy gets 1 race, the same race it's had since the inception of DUST, and the scout gets slightly more love with another race added to give them a choice of 2 races to pick from. The logi class also gets all 5 races, though they look the same as the assault only with yellow paint. I don't know if that's a place holder or if that's how they're meant to be. If they're a place holder, then AT LEAST give heavies the choice to spec into a different race even if it's place holder. I can't tell you the frustration I dealt with when i found out that there was only 1 race to pick. I'm literally being forced to choose Amarr if I wanted to use the HMG. I wonder if the heavies got all the races and the assault got 1, how things would have played out. Fact is people don't care what's fair so long as they get what want in the end. "Oh heavies only got 1 race? ha! lol! so what, I got what I want!" just pointing out how badly you're treating Heavies and Scouts CCP, and with no ETA or anything on these things, it just makes the issue slightly more irritating. I'm sure there's some people looking fwd to the commando suit. I'm not. I appreciate you took the time to post the DevBlogs and keep us in the loop... to a point.
Matticus Monk Ordus Trismegistus 87	Posted - 2013.06.25 18:29:00 - [2] - Quote Valid points all around, although there are only 4 races, which I assume is just a typo in your post. I definitely hope that the logi suits are only placeholders, it would be much more impressive to have a bit more visual variety, although I'd say this should be last in the queue to address after the remaining heavy and scout suits are deployed.
Aisha Ctarl The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 314	Posted - 2013.06.25 18:56:00 - [3] - Quote Yeah I'm currently twiddling my thumbs waiting for the Amarr Scout.........any day now.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 4029	Posted - 2013.06.25 18:58:00 - [4] - Quote It's gonna be like, me, and two other Commando's in all of DUST That is assuming they aren't laughably horrible
Jin Robot Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 1051	Posted - 2013.06.25 18:59:00 - [5] - Quote I dont see why assaults need different models than logis, its all assault anyway.
IamI3rian OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 231	Posted - 2013.06.25 19:04:00 - [6] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: It's gonna be like, me, and two other Commando's in all of DUST That is assuming they aren't laughably horrible I have an alt who'll be dualling plasma cannons. We'll be able to run (waddle) together at least. = D --- Remember: IamI3rian told ya I <3 Rifles
SoTa PoP Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 2746	Posted - 2013.06.25 19:07:00 - [7] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: It's gonna be like, me, and two other Commando's in all of DUST That is assuming they aren't laughably horrible Same hitbox - same health - no gun to cover for it's draw backs. Better use MD/AR combo if you want any hope lol
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 4029	Posted - 2013.06.25 19:23:00 - [8] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: Same hitbox - same health - no gun to cover for it's draw backs. Better use MD/AR combo if you want any hope lol I'm banking on Breach and Burst ARs, personally. Breach should be useful once more if this range system works.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 405	Posted - 2013.06.25 19:42:00 - [9] - Quote Scrubs are gonna love their scrub suit, I'm still waiting on the Minmatar Sentinel before I touch anything Heavy.
KOBLAKA1 Opus Arcana Orion Empire 83	Posted - 2013.06.25 19:58:00 - [10] - Quote Agree completely with OP. Also they keep giving shield stuff which doesn't help heavies out, energizers really? Cal Logi is going to be harder to crack than a Heavy which is wrong.

Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 304	Posted - 2013.06.25 20:02:00 - [11] - Quote Master Jaraiya wrote: CCP Eterne wrote: For the most part, we want to focus on getting things like aiming and movement right and fun before we turn back to filling out these roles. Getting those nailed down has been one of the major pieces of feedback we've heard from players and reviews of the game following the Uprising deployment. This would only make me feel better if I didn't know you were adding new Roles and new Modules. The only reason this issue hasn't received more attention than it has is because the Medium Classes and Roles have all variants. If the shoe were on the other foot and the Light Class/Scout/Pilot and Heavy Class/Sentinel/Commando had all Racial Variants while the Medium Class/Assault had only Caldari and the Medium Class/Logistics had only Minmatar and Gallente you can bet the farm these forums would be on fire with nearly every single player in the game complaining about not having all dropsuit choices available to them upon release and demanding that this be rectified immediately.[/uote CCP Eterne wrote: There will be teams that are still working on the other dropsuits, don't worry. However, they aren't coming out in the immediate point releases that the dev blog is talking about. Well now we know when they're not coming! Master Jaraiya wrote: Don't get me wrong, I greatly appreciate all of the hard work you guys are putting into the game, as well as the concerted effort at communicating more with the community. I do honestly feel that having all of the Racial Variants of all currently existing classes of Dropsuits and Vehicles should be more of a priority than adding new Roles of Dropsuits and Vehicles. At the very least could someone in the know comment on this. If something like that is possible or in the works for the rapid fire updates? Is out of the question completely? Letting this segment of the community know something would definitely not go unnoticed. [quote=CCP Eterne] Dissapointing
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 2387	Posted - 2013.06.25 20:03:00 - [12] - Quote KOBLAKA1 wrote: Agree completely with OP. Also they keep giving shield stuff which doesn't help heavies out, energizers really? Cal Logi is going to be harder to crack than a Heavy which is wrong. lol... why use any other suit other than the caldari logi tbh
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 250	Posted - 2013.06.25 20:04:00 - [13] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: Yeah I'm currently twiddling my thumbs waiting for the Amarr Scout.........any day now. You even convinced me to go for the Amarr Scout..... I WANT IT I WANT IT I WANT IT I WANT IT I WANT IT I WANT IT I WANT IT I WANT IT I WANT IT I WANT IT I WANT IT I WANT IT I WANT IT I WANT IT I WANT IT I WANT IT I WANT IT I WANT IT! Thank you for listening to my tantrum!
Matticus Monk Ordus Trismegistus 87	Posted - 2013.06.25 20:04:00 - [14] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: Yeah I'm currently twiddling my thumbs waiting for the Amarr Scout.........any day now. Word.... not spending any SP on scout suits until I see what Caldari and Amarr have to offer. At least I know that with Amarr, I can die in style and looking good.....
Terra Thesis HDYLTA Defiant Legacy 247	Posted - 2013.06.25 20:07:00 - [15] - Quote they did mediums first because those are the basic suits everyone is supposed to start with. - all the starter suits are medium - mediums require the least sp - mediums are the most all-around useful lights and heavies are not totally useless but they are much more situational. i whip out my heavy suit at appropriate times but i can't run it 24/7 (e.g. team not doing dropping enough drop links). so it's not three equal classes where one is done and the others aren't. it's that the main class (medium infantry) is done and they're still fleshing out the more specialized stuff.
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 2388	Posted - 2013.06.25 20:11:00 - [16] - Quote Terra Thesis wrote: they did mediums first because those are the basic suits everyone is supposed to start with. - all the starter suits are medium - mediums require the least sp - mediums are the most all-around useful lights and heavies are not totally useless but they are much more situational. i whip out my heavy suit at appropriate times but i can't run it 24/7 (e.g. team not doing dropping enough drop links). so it's not three equal classes where one is done and the others aren't. it's that the main class (medium infantry) is done and they're still fleshing out the more specialized stuff. lol.. the minority excuse... i never get tired of hearing this one
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 309	Posted - 2013.06.25 21:10:00 - [17] - Quote Terra Thesis wrote: they did mediums first because those are the basic suits everyone is supposed to start with. - all the starter suits are medium - mediums require the least sp - mediums are the most all-around useful lights and heavies are not totally useless but they are much more situational. i whip out my heavy suit at appropriate times but i can't run it 24/7 (e.g. team not doing dropping enough drop links). so it's not three equal classes where one is done and the others aren't. it's that the main class (medium infantry) is done and they're still fleshing out the more specialized stuff. No they're still "fleshing out" the Medium class with new module choices and Racial Light Weapon Variants, while pretty much ignoring the others. Granted Heavies can use these modules, with the extremely limited slot layout of the Amarr, it isn't really viable because we need those slots to maximize our HP. Lets face it the Commando though technically a Heavy Role, caters more to the Medium Class players (two light weapons) than it does to the Heavy Class Players (BFGs). All heavies have is LOLHP and LOLHMG and a big fat slow moving hitbox. Seems they designed the heavy simply to give the AR scrubs something easy to kill.
The Attorney General ZionTCD 136	Posted - 2013.06.25 21:15:00 - [18] - Quote All they need to do is replace the amarr heavy iwth a Cladari. Since shields are pretty much the only way to go, they at least could be done with upgrading the heavies at that point.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 1929	Posted - 2013.06.25 21:19:00 - [19] - Quote Terra Thesis wrote: they did mediums first because those are the basic suits everyone is supposed to start with. That 's not how it was in chromosome, there's supposed to be 4 basic classes, there's now 3, with logi's being kicked off into a side class. All starter fits use medium suits you say? That probably has something do with only those suits being in the game, CCP just found it easier to get rid of starting specializations than getting the other suits in
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 309	Posted - 2013.06.25 21:35:00 - [20] - Quote Sloth9230 wrote: Terra Thesis wrote: they did mediums first because those are the basic suits everyone is supposed to start with. That 's not how it was in chromosome, there's supposed to be 4 basic classes, there's now 3, with logi's being kicked off into a side class. All starter fits use medium suits you say? That probably has something do with only those suits being in the game, CCP just found it easier to get rid of starting specializations than getting the other suits in Logis are a Role within the Medium class Each Class is supposed to have 2 roles Heavy Class - Sentinel, Commando Medium Class - Assault, Logistics Light Class - Scout, Pilot



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