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Marston VC
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Posted - 2013.06.25 16:12:00 -
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You see..... all of you guys are falling for the same mistakes weve made in the past..... "DROPSHIPS R OP, WHY ARE GUNNERS GOING 40-2 RAWRRRRR" now look at dropships...... "MISSILE TANKS ARW GOD MODE, ME SO ANGRY" when was the last time you guys saw a missile tank doing well in a match? He'll look at what tanks are like in general...... "LAZOR RIFLES OP, ME HATE THEM" me and my friends had an MCC rave party using the lasers as a light show..... but on a practical standpoint, who doesn't laugh at those who still use them?
So what do we have now? We have "OP Logi, OP Lav's, and the OP flaylock" all three of which, are likely candidates for nerfing due to their over-effectiveness in their particular niche. To me this is also a list of "things to be nerf-raped, and broken" So heres my opinion on what we should do in regards to "balancing" the relationship between logi's and assault suits (because I don't care about the flaylock pistol or LAV).
Have you ever considered that maybe the assault suits are just underpowered? I mean..... a big problem people have with the assault suit is how it gets outperformed in a slayer role by Logistics suits of the same tier. FIRST off I would like to point out that, that particular theory is only true if your considering the Proto Caldari logi, VS other assault suits. With 5 high slots and a 25% bonus to shield extender efficacy you can have a suit with over 600 shields. This just simply isn't true for ANY other suit. So I want to make it clear RIGHT NOW, that not all logi's need a nerf, just specific ones.
But without further delay ill describe what I would do to "balance" the relationship between all logis (at a proto level) with their proto assault counterparts.
Caldari
Just switch the names. Lol, make the caldari logi the caldari assault (minus one low slot and two equipment slots + one sidearm slot) That would give the caldari logi 4 highs, 3 equipments, and 3 lows (which I think is balanced for a logi) And it would give the caldari assault 5 highs 1 equipment, and 3 lows (plus higher base health) would give it a clear advantage over its logi counterpart. AND it wouldn't break the proto caldari logi, it would just make it weaker then its assault counter part (statistically). But still allows skilled players to pull a win in a 1v1 if their clever enough. Then do the same thing for the respective Tiers of that race.
Gallente
Same deal, give the LGK0 4 low slots instead of 5 and give the AGK0 5 low slots with higher base health. This switches the focus of slots onto the assault suit variant. The LGKO would still be a superb logistics/equipment suit, but the AGK0 would just be statistically more capable of tanking/killing people.
Amar
Give amar assault one more high slot and one more low slot, the amar logi is literally the same as the amar assault only with more PG, CPU and equipment slots (minus the laser heat up bonus which is nearly useless to 90% of the playerbase anyway). I mean seriously..... give the assault of that race a reason to spec into, don't nerf the logi of that race and make it even less popular......
Minmatar
I always thought this suit was pretty balanced to be honest...... Nothing to say here, though others may disagree.
and so that's it..... all of what I said pretty much sums up what I think would "balance" the suits. It would put them on a sort of..... balance where, sure the logi isn't quite as strong as its assault variant, but can still hold its own in a fight, and even win if the user is good enough. This wouldn't break the suit, and I would personally be happy with that sort of change. Or at the very least content.
CUTTING OFF THE LIGHT WEAPON SLOT IS NOT A BALANCE FOR THIS ROLE. Its a deterrent..... That would break the suit for soooo many people, and it still wouldn't necessarily fix things because if fitted properly a sidearm can be just as effective in its niche as a light weapon is in its. So then you might say "why not change it to that then?" because theres literally no difference..... The only guy who strate up beat me yesterday was in a proto caldari logi suits. He had it bricked to all hell, and his primary weapon was the prototype SMG...... So in short the problem would still remain, only now we've wasted even more time changing it to something that didn't work out anyway. |
Marston VC
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Posted - 2013.06.25 16:26:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Why make another thread when your other one is actually going fairly well now?
Because the information I posted on Page 7 of my other thread isn't as easy to find as the information I posted originally in this one.... But that's fine, im still argueing the point on that one too if you want to stick their with it  |
Marston VC
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Posted - 2013.06.25 16:28:00 -
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Jin Robot wrote:You are biased. As a logi slayorz, we know what you want.
Its not biased..... its trying to stop CCP from breaking ANOTHER one of the things I specced into..... Theirs a clear difference between breaking and balancing, and many of you people seem to not notice the difference. By pointing this out, and raising awareness, im hoping to prevent the class as a whole from getting nerfed to the pits of hell, were if it does go that way, the logi could chill with the LR, Missiles, Tac rifles, tanks, and dropships....... |
Marston VC
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Posted - 2013.06.25 17:06:00 -
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Jin Robot wrote:Marston VC wrote:Jin Robot wrote:You are biased. As a logi slayorz, we know what you want. Its not biased..... its trying to stop CCP from breaking ANOTHER one of the things I specced into..... Theirs a clear difference between breaking and balancing, and many of you people seem to not notice the difference. By pointing this out, and raising awareness, im hoping to prevent the class as a whole from getting nerfed to the pits of hell, were if it does go that way, the logi could chill with the LR, Missiles, Tac rifles, tanks, and dropships....... What an amazing coincidence that it just happens to be about your gear. I dont see anything but someone defending their op fit. Seriously this reminds me of when TAR users tried to keep their OP gun by saying not to nerf it, but to buff SR.
Well I mean..... If the bank is going to take your house away would you not fight them in court? Lol, of course im going to fight for gear I use. But let me try and prove something to you since you seem to be so dead-set on calling me biased. Once upon a time I was a lazor specialist. We all know how OP the Laser used to be correct? Did I try defending it? Sort of.... I posted a similar thread to this one, cautioning CCP to not break the gun when they decided it was time to nerf them. Well look at what they did.......
The only difference now is that my LGK0 is not NEARLY as effective in its niche role as the LR was in its Niche...... It might need a tweak, and im willing to accept that. But it doesn't need a nerf hammer..... and as for my success..... Im NOT a bad player. Im in most cases, better then the man im fighting. This isn't me being cocky either, this is fact based off the 12 months ive spent playing this game giving me an advantage over those who don't have the same amount of experience.
So don't confuse my success yesterday (with a full proto squad btw) as the suit being OP..... Because that just isn't the case. I was just an above average player, using premium gear, in a squad with other above average players who were all using premium gear as well. Im not going to lie and say the suit didn't make things easier, but its not like the suit is 100% responsible for my success either...... |
Marston VC
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Posted - 2013.06.25 18:03:00 -
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Jin Robot wrote:Nothing personal man, I have long wished logis would be logis, that is all. I want a support role, not a half assault, half support. I just want a pure support role. I thought there was an assault suit already. Whatever man enjoy.
Nothing is stopping you from doing that...... Pick a logi, fit him with the BEST all PROTO equipment you can, then fit as many codebreakers, and precision enhancers that you want. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING is stopping you from running 100% support. Hell, you could even run mass drivers and that there would be 100%. Just because the Suits CAN go half and half, doesn't mean they CANT go full support. Its all about the playstyle you want to play,
and I just don't think I should be forced out of my playstyle, because you think your playstyle is the only one a logistics suit should cover...... go figure huh?  |
Marston VC
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Posted - 2013.06.25 18:06:00 -
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Paran Tadec wrote:another STB scrub who thinks he knows Dust....
just remove the shield bonus and a low slot on the caldari logi. All other logis are OK.
Another Imp scrub with his condescending attitude born from all the circle jerking imps do.......
That's basically what needs to be done with the LCK0, but that does not address all the concerns 75% of this community has, so I attempted to address everything. That is all. If you think you know anything more about this game then I do, then go make a thread about it, post your thoughts on what should be done, and then will let CCP decide what there going to do. |
Marston VC
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Posted - 2013.06.25 18:25:00 -
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Konohamaru Sarutobi wrote:Lol, already crying because you went Logi.
Be less obvious at least. Make the effort
Edited : "I beat 1 vs 1 every suit, 95% of the time". Marston VC
You're such a funny guy.
Edited 2: Lol, I can't stop laughing.
I put the Dust forum and I see this:
1) Marston VC forum thread: "I went Logi after my respec and I'm like a Dusty God"
2) Marston VC forum thread: "Stop crying for a logi nerf, you don't know anything about the game"
Wow that's some paraphrasing you got going there. Im glad that's what you got out of the book's worth of writing ive put in between these two threads...... Yup im doing really well with my new suit because unlike before, 100% of my points are put into it. (before I had all of my points spread between 3 different races due to various reasons). Sorry I don't want CCP to break the suit I just put 100% of my points into, heaven forbid I argue that point on the forums as best I can....... |
Marston VC
SVER True Blood
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Posted - 2013.06.25 18:33:00 -
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Jin Robot wrote:Marston VC wrote:Konohamaru Sarutobi wrote:Lol, already crying because you went Logi.
Be less obvious at least. Make the effort
Edited : "I beat 1 vs 1 every suit, 95% of the time". Marston VC
You're such a funny guy.
Edited 2: Lol, I can't stop laughing.
I put the Dust forum and I see this:
1) Marston VC forum thread: "I went Logi after my respec and I'm like a Dusty God"
2) Marston VC forum thread: "Stop crying for a logi nerf, you don't know anything about the game" Wow that's some paraphrasing you got going there. Im glad that's what you got out of the book's worth of writing ive put in between these two threads...... Yup im doing really well with my new suit because unlike before, 100% of my points are put into it. (before I had all of my points spread between 3 different races due to various reasons). Sorry I don't want CCP to break the suit I just put 100% of my points into, heaven forbid I argue that point on the forums as best I can....... Well, are you saying we shouldnt be able to counter point? I have tried to be civil, and have no rage on this issue. I actually have enjoyed the debate.
Debate is good, what he did wasn't debate, it was name calling. He basically put me in the same category as every other "my OP weapon isn't OP crier" In other words hes calling me a joke. Now maybe its silly of me to take it that way. But I view this whole debate as a challenge to "change the community" or at-least get them to look at this whole situation objectively. As such im taking it seriously (though I wont lie im enjoying it too). I think the publicity my thread got will really show CCP the community stance on this, and if nothing else, will hopefully give them some ideas on what they should do to fix the "Logistics are OP" problem..... |
Marston VC
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Posted - 2013.06.25 18:49:00 -
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Jin Robot wrote:Marston VC wrote:Jin Robot wrote:Nothing personal man, I have long wished logis would be logis, that is all. I want a support role, not a half assault, half support. I just want a pure support role. I thought there was an assault suit already. Whatever man enjoy. Nothing is stopping you from doing that...... Pick a logi, fit him with the BEST all PROTO equipment you can, then fit as many codebreakers, and precision enhancers that you want. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING is stopping you from running 100% support. Hell, you could even run mass drivers and that there would be 100%. Just because the Suits CAN go half and half, doesn't mean they CANT go full support. Its all about the playstyle you want to play, and I just don't think I should be forced out of my playstyle, because you think your playstyle is the only one a logistics suit should cover...... go figure huh? I meant half the logis on the battlefield are not logis, and have no interest in being a logistics. They are pure assaults
Then the assault suit needs a buff so as to encourage assault playstyles being used on the assault suits. but meh! im tired of saying the same thing over and over again. Some suits need a nerf. others need a buff. But I know for a fact that having all logis nerfed to compensate the UP assault suits wont make this game much better...... it'll just shift the OPness from one class to another. |
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