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Beren Hurin
OMNI Endeavors
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Posted - 2013.06.24 12:37:00 -
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So it's okay (sniping)? Gameplay wise it is just awful. And still having campers in the MCC is terribad too. I'm guessing if people are paying you to just log into the game to get SP, you would be thinking that you might as well sate them. But honestly it makes the game that much more annoying for the team that loses with the campers.
Unless your matchmaking is so good that it puts equal numbers of afk/MCC campers in each team, I still think that needs to be worked on. |
calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F
320
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Posted - 2013.06.24 12:42:00 -
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snipe them back |
Corn In TheSkidmark
Backstabbers N Cheaters Union
128
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Posted - 2013.06.24 12:52:00 -
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These threads need to just be insta deleted, who really gives a **** anyway |
5aEKUXeRJGJ27kCDnDVYak3
Kinsho Swords
Caldari State
137
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Posted - 2013.06.24 12:54:00 -
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Corn In TheSkidmark wrote:These threads need to just be insta deleted, who really gives a **** anyway
That is just your own opinion. |
Michael Arck
sephiroth clones
General Tso's Alliance
36
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Posted - 2013.06.24 13:01:00 -
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5aEKUXeRJGJ27kCDnDVYak3 wrote:Corn In TheSkidmark wrote:These threads need to just be insta deleted, who really gives a **** anyway That is just your own opinion.
No he has a point. The thread is stupid. He's complaining to CCP about the actions of other players. Yes, I understand he wants CCP to place some mechanic that will discourage camping but I don't think that's happening. Why should they? Adapt and overcome. You are a merc, not some ninny. Bacon |
The Attorney General
ZionTCD
126
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Posted - 2013.06.24 13:04:00 -
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Imagine what the player count would be without the AFKers.
The snipers are worse though. At least an AFK player has an excuse to be useless.
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Beren Hurin
OMNI Endeavors
534
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Posted - 2013.06.24 13:26:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:5aEKUXeRJGJ27kCDnDVYak3 wrote:Corn In TheSkidmark wrote:These threads need to just be insta deleted, who really gives a **** anyway That is just your own opinion. No he has a point. The thread is stupid. He's complaining to CCP about the actions of other players. Yes, I understand he wants CCP to place some mechanic that will discourage camping but I don't think that's happening. Why should they? Adapt and overcome. You are a merc, not some ninny. Bacon
Its just rare that you get an actual 16 v 16 skirmish or domination match (as far as afkers are concerned). As far as snipers go, they aren't as big of deal, but I just don't get why they weren't working before but are now. I'm guessing they turned that on?
Just because these are 'actions of other players' that doesn't make it an invalid concern. I'm not saying its broken or unbalanced. Just that it was one way, now its different, and I haven't heard why, and my opinion is that it makes for very uninteresting gameplay, and basically amounts to a random penalty to teams when they get a ton of station campers. You can't adapt really when the match is 12 v 16. |
Medic 1879
Tritan's Onslaught
RISE of LEGION
469
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Posted - 2013.06.24 15:07:00 -
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Yeah domination can be a pain its now whoever has the fastest Min scout wins because 9/10 who ever gets it from the start wins because at that point allot of the bluedots seem to give up and decide MCC sniping is the way to go. Had a game last night with a full squad and for the last 10 minutes or so of the match there was only us on the ground everyone else was sniping from the MCC, which was a stupid idea 10 people sniping from the same spot, enemy snipers must have thought it was christmas. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
3980
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Posted - 2013.06.24 15:08:00 -
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There is no justice in this world |
Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
753
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Posted - 2013.06.24 15:19:00 -
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I know the counter argument... make the game such that people don't want to AFK/MCC snipe.
At the same time... I can't see this practice helping new players get enjoyment out of the game. |
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NAV HIV
The Generals
EoN.
242
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Posted - 2013.06.24 15:43:00 -
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MCC sniping is just plain Garbage. I have no problems with snipers, "Its fun bunny hopping"... But MCC sniping is just unacceptable. What's next?! Call in a Rail tank inside the MCC and shoot everyone from there? How many other small issues are gonne be left or overlooked? |
DumpsterJuice
Krusual Covert Operators
Minmatar Republic
17
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Posted - 2013.06.24 16:49:00 -
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It's cowardly I'll agree, I just lost an expensive tank to a proto forge gun MCC sniper the other day, but I'm not going to come crying here about it, and I definately won't get caught in that area of the map again without a repper ready |
Colonel Killar
DUST CORE
DARKSTAR ARMY
20
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Posted - 2013.06.24 16:51:00 -
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Beren Hurin wrote:So it's okay (sniping)? Gameplay wise it is just awful. And still having campers in the MCC is terribad too. I'm guessing if people are paying you to just log into the game to get SP, you would be thinking that you might as well sate them. But honestly it makes the game that much more annoying for the team that loses with the campers.
Unless your matchmaking is so good that it puts equal numbers of afk/MCC campers in each team, I still think that needs to be worked on.
Thank you for making one of millions of MCC camper threads. Also thank you for continuing a long held tradition of pointing out a problem and not suggesting a solution. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1740
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Posted - 2013.06.24 16:56:00 -
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What happened to the shield that blocked people from shooting out? |
ratamaq doc
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
26
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Posted - 2013.06.24 16:59:00 -
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Has anyone ever tried firing in the MCC with a frag missile tank? Does it work? If so I'm skilling into tanks for that purpose alone. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
3983
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Posted - 2013.06.24 17:00:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:What happened to the shield that blocked people from shooting out?
Uprising happened  |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers
EoN.
467
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Posted - 2013.06.24 17:01:00 -
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These are symptoms of much deeper gameplay issues in the game.
MCC sniping/afking doesn't need to be fixed persay... but the core gameplay needs to be designed to discourage it.
The 5 WP/s mechanic in battle needs to go.. active SP should be based entirely around WPs. However you can't do that until there is an overhaul of the WP system, i.e. adding WPs for pilots, for scanning, etc etc.
Map design, esp in Domination, allows a sniper to snipe objectives from the MCC, this, imo, is ridiculous. You shouldn't be able to snipe an objective from an MCC. Map design needs a big change.
Finally, the redline... the #1 reason why I refuse to play null cannon game modes, it needs to be looked at and redesigned as well. |
Jin Robot
Foxhound Corporation
General Tso's Alliance
1010
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Posted - 2013.06.24 17:02:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:What happened to the shield that blocked people from shooting out?
I thought they said that is is supposed to block both ways, or atleast thats how it will become. I could be wrong. |
Beren Hurin
OMNI Endeavors
535
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Posted - 2013.06.24 17:06:00 -
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ratamaq doc wrote:Has anyone ever tried firing in the MCC with a frag missile tank? Does it work? If so I'm skilling into tanks for that purpose alone.
...Really want to know the answer to this...but come to think of it, I think a frag missile can only reach like 100m max. |
Colonel Killar
DUST CORE
DARKSTAR ARMY
20
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Posted - 2013.06.24 17:14:00 -
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Beren Hurin wrote:ratamaq doc wrote:Has anyone ever tried firing in the MCC with a frag missile tank? Does it work? If so I'm skilling into tanks for that purpose alone. ...Really want to know the answer to this...but come to think of it, I think a frag missile can only reach like 100m max.
It will work |
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Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
758
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Posted - 2013.06.24 17:20:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:These are symptoms of much deeper gameplay issues in the game.
MCC sniping/afking doesn't need to be fixed persay... but the core gameplay needs to be designed to discourage it.
The 5 WP/s mechanic in battle needs to go.. active SP should be based entirely around WPs. However you can't do that until there is an overhaul of the WP system, i.e. adding WPs for pilots, for scanning, etc etc.
Map design, esp in Domination, allows a sniper to snipe objectives from the MCC, this, imo, is ridiculous. You shouldn't be able to snipe an objective from an MCC. Map design needs a big change.
Finally, the redline... the #1 reason why I refuse to play null cannon game modes, it needs to be looked at and redesigned as well.
I don't think we have to wait for fixes to everything that is going to cause issues with the game in order to fix the MCC concerns. First, they are incredibly easy and fast fixes that will provide value to players discouraged or demoralized by this type of activity. And no, I'm not a carebear, but a team game does need team play in order to be fun.
Additionally, you will get a lot of varied opinions about what might be an appropriate way to address the SP/WP issues. This is not an area that will get agreement, easily fit into CCP's concepts of their game, or that won't cause other types of problems to manifest if changed. |
CHICAGOCUBS4EVER
TeamPlayers
EoN.
540
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Posted - 2013.06.24 17:23:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:These are symptoms of much deeper gameplay issues in the game.
MCC sniping/afking doesn't need to be fixed persay... but the core gameplay needs to be designed to discourage it.
The 5 WP/s mechanic in battle needs to go.. active SP should be based entirely around WPs. However you can't do that until there is an overhaul of the WP system, i.e. adding WPs for pilots, for scanning, etc etc.
Map design, esp in Domination, allows a sniper to snipe objectives from the MCC, this, imo, is ridiculous. You shouldn't be able to snipe an objective from an MCC. Map design needs a big change.
Finally, the redline... the #1 reason why I refuse to play null cannon game modes, it needs to be looked at and redesigned as well.
or just play Ambush and PC... on afkers there. the occasional no show, but no afkers
I stopped playing domination due to mcc sniping. I would honestly rather play dodgeball with the LAV scrubs than deal with mcc snipers |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers
EoN.
468
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Posted - 2013.06.24 20:18:00 -
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CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:These are symptoms of much deeper gameplay issues in the game.
MCC sniping/afking doesn't need to be fixed persay... but the core gameplay needs to be designed to discourage it.
The 5 WP/s mechanic in battle needs to go.. active SP should be based entirely around WPs. However you can't do that until there is an overhaul of the WP system, i.e. adding WPs for pilots, for scanning, etc etc.
Map design, esp in Domination, allows a sniper to snipe objectives from the MCC, this, imo, is ridiculous. You shouldn't be able to snipe an objective from an MCC. Map design needs a big change.
Finally, the redline... the #1 reason why I refuse to play null cannon game modes, it needs to be looked at and redesigned as well. or just play Ambush and PC... on afkers there. the occasional no show, but no afkers I stopped playing domination due to mcc sniping. I would honestly rather play dodgeball with the LAV scrubs than deal with mcc snipers
That's exactly what I do... No reason to bother playing anything but ambush/OMS in this game. |
ER-Bullitt
Molon Labe.
League of Infamy
16
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Posted - 2013.06.24 21:33:00 -
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I like to snipe them back. Lots of easy kills. |
Alik'ar Morbin
Circle of Huskarl
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.06.25 16:04:00 -
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This seems to be a viable option every match. Really bad to see as a new player. Bad first impressions. |
Canari Elphus
Pro Hic Immortalis
157
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Posted - 2013.06.25 16:13:00 -
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Its a valid concern but, ultimately, an exhausted one. Why?
- CCP actually changed the shield in the MCC to allow for shooting out of it. Its probably to discourage redlining.
- I have yet to see a DEV actually say that they recognize MCC sniping as an issue
- CCP has said that they are working on something to discourage AFK but it seems like it is very low on the priority list. I doubt its even on the 'roadmap' post that comes out this week
Some people will always find the easiest route to take in life. They are the low risk/low reward type. I can almost guarantee that if they were not in the MCC afk/sniping then they would be in an LAV.
Pick your poison. You can change the game but you cant change the people. |
James-5955
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
203
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Posted - 2013.06.25 16:17:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:5aEKUXeRJGJ27kCDnDVYak3 wrote:Corn In TheSkidmark wrote:These threads need to just be insta deleted, who really gives a **** anyway That is just your own opinion. No he has a point. The thread is stupid. He's complaining to CCP about the actions of other players. Yes, I understand he wants CCP to place some mechanic that will discourage camping but I don't think that's happening. Why should they? Adapt and overcome. You are a merc, not some ninny. Bacon
Using the term "adapt or overcome" to cover up flawed game mechanics is by far my biggest pet peeve.
When the enemy team has been owned and there's 6 guys sitting up in their MCC sniping down at me I stop and I think... Wow, Dust is such a great experience, I'm having a great time right now. /sarcasm |
PhillyPride
Sebiestor Field Sappers
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.06.26 01:18:00 -
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Seems the mcc sniping/camping is a viable tactic. Obviously. As you can be more successful by doing nothing.
Great selling point. So is mmofps. Lool |
D3LTA ARM3GGIDDO
D3LTA FORC3
Orion Empire
14
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Posted - 2013.06.26 01:32:00 -
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Sniping guys in the MCC is easy. I love sniper hunting. There are some very good hiding spots in domination to counter snipe them. It's called adapt or die. Every build there is something to complain about. Wether it is the heavys or lasers, or TAC AR's. every time there is a complain, something gets nerfed or removed . My goodness just play or quit but please stop crying. No matter what is done, people will find a glitch or an easy way to get kills or whatever. Personally, I don't care why? Because everyone has done it even this who are complaining. Next thing to go will be murder taxi's watch. I'm a counter and defender sniper so personally, I really don't care. Whatever gives me or my team the advantage. |
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