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The Knight Faust Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2013.06.24 11:57:00 - [1] - Quote PLEASE TAKE 5 MIN TO READ THIS. Planetary Conquest was a good concept at its core, However with the little facilitation it has had its now the perfect foreground to destroy the enconomy mechanics of the game. The problem Not only lies with the games basic connection problems, or even the lack of territory. The real problem comes with most of the big corps pulling out of PC all togeather. Leaving the big bands of corps that have allied togeather not because they enjoy playing with them or are "like minded". But to only avoid fighting eachother and monopolize the market while going unabided doing it like real spinless corporations in actuallity. Theres already enough Shamless proto stomping in Pub matches. Which only harms the growth of the game. But now with alliances that already have a huge cache of funds between all there corps, and the crippeling expense it takes for and average corp to try to take on PC, it really wont matter even if you had a crack team of talented mercs to ward off endless waves of proto gear heads against the more important factor of endless funds between those mulitple corps to constantly defend, Reinforce, and attack in tandem. This will prevent a good deal of other corps to enjoy the game, theres pleanty of competitive players here. Why should a small few get to enjoy this portion of the game Like Eon & Chronos? What about the little guys? They dont deserve a fighting chance? 99% Of all the corps in this game dident even get a chance to take part in the initial land grab because of all the cash is already in a few places. And Dont kid yourself by thinking when more territory opens up that youll have another chance. Because the corps who already control all of PC will have the best steak in it as soon as it open. Being as they will have been stacking there gross amounts of profits for a plenty long while from owning Molden Heath as a group. Maximizing any chance of outsiders being destroyed promptly...Due to the sheer econmics that would be impossible to stand against. I should know, As my corp has been strong armed out of PC twice now (ALT for political reasons). All of this would normally not bother me, As its a part of the competitive element of this game. Despite how shamless and pathetic it is to monopolize this part of the game like that. But this is where the head of the problem rears its head. With all of these super alliances of PC corps going on this way it will start to severly affect all the game modes of dust. With limitless profits from PC and Personal Wallet Transfers coming, What can be done to balance out the inevitable super powers of this game Proto stomping every round possible. Even introducing proper matchmaking based on skill isent enough to impeed economic super powers like this, Who will not be above constantly throwing money around because they will have more than they know what to do with. This will harm the game more than anything. Possibly destroy it. And you can bet thats not these corps concerns at all. They will destroy this games balance better than they play it. And where will that leave it? What can actually be done? Hard Reset of PC? Yeah right. Who would ever go for that? Besides most who havent, cant or wont ever get a steak in it. And the ones who dominate it would be offended at the thought im sure even though there 100 times more well off than everyone else and can only gain when the odds are stacked in there favor. They dont want a fair or fighting chance, or even playing field for there opponets. Most dont know the feeling, Especially sence more than half the major powers are leaving PC behind. The division of the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer has been exponetiated because of PC. We must recognize this before its too late and this game is dominated by the same small groups of corps who dont have enough pride to stop sharing as long as they benifit in a constant. Too many players are stopping entirely as it is, from vets to new mercs who are out of the acadimy for a week before they cant take it anymore. But how to get this to CCP?.....hhhrrrmmmmm. Where could you even start. Its a pretty straight forward problem that anyone can see coming, The solution is the tricky part. Input please?
Sigberct Amni Defensores Doctrina 69	Posted - 2013.06.24 12:00:00 - [2] - Quote You wrote this long wall of text and forgot about two important points - Molden Heath is not the only region that can be taken - No one in EVE gives a **** atm, thus rich vrs. poor hasn't truly come into play yet Another dust is dieing thread. Yay.
Morathi III Pro Hic Immortalis 107	Posted - 2013.06.24 12:04:00 - [3] - Quote Im agree with a PC reset, for the reason of the health of the game, but only when they make server more stable, and this time they need to make a 2 week district draft, i mean you can only take one district in a draft day so anybody have a chance to hold some district at the beginning and district need to be harder to got taken
The Knight Faust Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2013.06.24 12:04:00 - [4] - Quote Sigberct Amni wrote: You wrote this long wall of text and forgot about two important points - Molden Heath is not the only region that can be taken - No one in EVE gives a **** atm, thus rich vrs. poor hasn't truly come into play yet Another dust is dieing thread. Yay. This thread is about solutions. Yes theres negativity for a negative situation. Theres no PC outside molden heath.. and theres much more happening in this thread. Another hating know-it-all on dust. Yay
Vane Arcadia ZionTCD 133	Posted - 2013.06.24 12:05:00 - [5] - Quote I don't disagree with much you have said, but I think its probably working as intended. The strong will get stronger and that's as it should be. What will happen eventually is that the strong will fracture and a new wave will come through (made up from factions of the old) and new opportunities will come to the fore. I don't think the current system is very good, but I do believe that CCP would have predicted the current status.
The Knight Faust Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2013.06.24 12:06:00 - [6] - Quote Morathi III wrote: Im agree with a PC reset, for the reason of the health of the game, but only when they make server more stable, and this time they need to make a 2 week district draft, i mean you can only take one district in a draft day so anybody have a chance to hold some district at the beginning and district need to be harder to got taken Thats Something i forgot to cover in as much detail. The first draft was awful, And that feature aloan would make t a much more fair experence.
The Knight Faust Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2013.06.24 12:09:00 - [7] - Quote Vane Arcadia wrote: I don't disagree with much you have said, but I think its probably working as intended. The strong will get stronger and that's as it should be. What will happen eventually is that the strong will fracture and a new wave will come through (made up from factions of the old) and new opportunities will come to the fore. I don't think the current system is very good, but I do believe that CCP would have predicted the current status. True enought. The hollowness in that though is that most dident have a fighting chance to start with the first established PC interface

CCP Eterne C C P C C P Alliance 2008	Posted - 2013.06.24 12:46:00 - [8] - Quote Moving this from General Discussion to Feedback/Requests.

Vavilia Lysenko Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 67	Posted - 2013.06.24 13:01:00 - [9] - Quote You seem to be missing the point completely. Not everyone is going to be able to compete in PC, that is just the way things are. As new Regions open up more people will be able to get involved in PC. Even when this happens not everyone is going to be able to compete in PC, that is just the way things are.
Rachoi HavoK Core RISE of LEGION 98	Posted - 2013.06.24 13:25:00 - [10] - Quote to put it simply.... when the true war comes, there will never be enough soldiers. yes, the big bad megacorps and intrastellars have the money to rule a small portion like Molden Heath, but you've seen the enormity of the star map.... i highly doubt a single alliance is going to hold more than a single cluster, due to the fact they will not have enough people. there is the simple fact that every corporation has an 'A-Team' and a 'B-Team' and their 'Reserves'. most big corporations will be sending out their lower grade teams to the front because their best are holding off another pile of people. unless there is a sudden freeze in the skill levels of the people in the game... i really dont think its going to be an issue

Daedric Lothar Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 696	Posted - 2013.06.24 13:52:00 - [11] - Quote You are mad because all the corps allied with each other and you and your crew are to bad at the game to take them on? And you want a reset of all PC because you want yet another chance to be beaten by the blob and then come back and complain again? I love the forums.
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 295	Posted - 2013.06.24 14:50:00 - [12] - Quote Not to mention when the economies of Eve and Dust are merged and we have the ability to acquire funds from eve players, it will become much easier for corporations to challenge these alliances. I'm sure any Eve player wanting a district would pay almost any good Corp small or large quite handsomely to have the acquire it. After all we are Mercenaries its what we are here for!
Cross Atu Conspiratus Immortalis Covert Intervention 1202	Posted - 2013.06.24 16:32:00 - [13] - Quote The above theoretical examples in the OP are inaccurate. if you had a crack team of talented mercs,16 of them (i.e. a single complete team) could easily take and hold a district within PC regardless of the ISK thrown at them. You make money by successfully repelling an attack. On the other side even without holding any turf getting in (assuming your team wins its fights) takes only 2-3 battles to conquer a fully fortified district. In short as long as you're Corp is winning it's fights no amount of "blob" or ISK leverage can stop you from claiming and holding turf in PC. As long as you're winning the fights. If the corp in question is not winning it's fights whether through hitting groups with better gun game or due to the sustained nature of PC causing it to be hard to always have your "A team" online then you are likely to lose turf, but that's not a mechanical issue, PC isn't a sprint but it's also far from locked out. Now once the new kick features are in and some of the massive tech issues which crop up around PC are dealt with so you only need one team, not 1 + 1-2 on standby for d/c, hard freeze, comms bugs, and lag outs it'll be a lot more accessible to smaller groups of players (provided of course that they have a team which is capable of beating the players fielded against them). 0.02 ISK Cross
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 111	Posted - 2013.06.24 18:21:00 - [14] - Quote isn't the real solution that new corps stop trying to keep their name and band together to take some territory?
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 111	Posted - 2013.06.24 18:22:00 - [15] - Quote Master Jaraiya wrote: Not to mention when the economies of Eve and Dust are merged and we have the ability to acquire funds from eve players, it will become much easier for corporations to challenge these alliances. I'm sure any Eve player wanting a district would pay almost any good Corp small or large quite handsomely to have the acquire it. After all we are Mercenaries its what we are here for! won't it be just as easy for those established alliances to buy clone packs to attack the new crop?
Draco Cerberus Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy 161	Posted - 2013.06.24 18:32:00 - [16] - Quote So now that you have been sitting in your MQ and using your isk to buy proto gear and tanks and DSs you want all the players who have spent the 80mil per clone pack and done battle till server downtime to just walk away with nothing? Sounds like you are a bit worried that you can't take on anyone remaining in PC and just want an easy button to push. Wait until CCP unlocks a few more districts. Then you may have an easier time getting one or join the other corps setting up on the Fight Club planet and duke it out. Don't worry no one wins every time, do they?
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 259	Posted - 2013.06.24 18:42:00 - [17] - Quote Morathi III wrote: Im agree with a PC reset, for the reason of the health of the game, but only when they make server more stable, and this time they need to make a 2 week district draft, i mean you can only take one district in a draft day so anybody have a chance to hold some district at the beginning and district need to be harder to got taken After I've fought for what my corporation has for what, a month now, this would be the end for me I've spent over 200mill for pc more if you count the lost suits there is no way there wouldn't be a revolt from those who've dedicated themselves to pc and I'd be right there with them. And to the op:Welcome to New Eden
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers EoN. 468	Posted - 2013.06.24 18:56:00 - [18] - Quote Why would a hard reset of PC matter? In the end the same corps that have left PC will still be gone and the ones that own MH now will just take it back in another 2 months anyways. We need some iterations on the PC mechanics, I know true grit has already said they are working on iterations. Once PC is in a good place, then a wipe might be in order. However, a wipe will only do well if the clone pack purchase mechanic is reworked, otherwise it'll still end up just like day 1 PC was on May 14th. Something along the the lines of limiting clone pack purchases to one per day... that way it throttles the ability for megacorps with tons of cash from farming PC as it is to just buy 10-15 clones packs and buy a couple planets. Then once PC is underway, we'll need to limit clone pack purchases for people who own districts by changing clone pack purchases to reinforcing districts only, thus continuing to force system travel to actually attack a district (instead of completely bypassing it with a clone pack purchase that has unlimited range). TL:DR - PC needs iterations before a hard reset will make any difference.
CYRAX SERVIUS The Generals EoN. 106	Posted - 2013.06.24 21:04:00 - [19] - Quote Cross Atu wrote: The above theoretical examples in the OP are inaccurate. if you had a crack team of talented mercs,16 of them (i.e. a single complete team) could easily take and hold a district within PC regardless of the ISK thrown at them. You make money by successfully repelling an attack. On the other side even without holding any turf getting in (assuming your team wins its fights) takes only 2-3 battles to conquer a fully fortified district. In short as long as you're Corp is winning it's fights no amount of "blob" or ISK leverage can stop you from claiming and holding turf in PC. As long as you're winning the fights. If the corp in question is not winning it's fights whether through hitting groups with better gun game or due to the sustained nature of PC causing it to be hard to always have your "A team" online then you are likely to lose turf, but that's not a mechanical issue, PC isn't a sprint but it's also far from locked out. Now once the new kick features are in and some of the massive tech issues which crop up around PC are dealt with so you only need one team, not 1 + 1-2 on standby for d/c, hard freeze, comms bugs, and lag outs it'll be a lot more accessible to smaller groups of players (provided of course that they have a team which is capable of beating the players fielded against them). 0.02 ISK Cross Very well spoken, this exactly my friend..
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 401	Posted - 2013.06.24 21:44:00 - [20] - Quote I wouldn't be against a hard reset of PC, then again, my corp isn't involved with it and likely won't be getting involved with it until it isn't a broken faucet. From all I've read though, Z-Dub is right, there needs to be progress made on iterations of PC before it would help. IMHO, the most important thing is-- Passive Wealth Generation needs to go. It broke 0.0 in Eve (Blue Donut and whatnot for MOONFARMVILLE), it WILL break Dust if it is allowed to go on. PC should open opportunities for you to be able to generate wealth Actively though either active industry or PVE. Force the "landed nobility" to work for their wealth rather than having it handed to them on a silver platter (if they don't like it, boo hoo). I am not saying that the potential wealth generation shouldn't be better than FW or pubs, but it needs to be active. Those who'd throw a hissy and get all up in arms about a reset once the problems were fixed and things made not-broken are just being selfish children hoping to keep all of the toys for themselves.

The Knight Faust Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2013.06.24 22:00:00 - [21] - Quote Cross Atu wrote: The above theoretical examples in the OP are inaccurate. if you had a crack team of talented mercs,16 of them (i.e. a single complete team) could easily take and hold a district within PC regardless of the ISK thrown at them. You make money by successfully repelling an attack. On the other side even without holding any turf getting in (assuming your team wins its fights) takes only 2-3 battles to conquer a fully fortified district. In short as long as you're Corp is winning it's fights no amount of "blob" or ISK leverage can stop you from claiming and holding turf in PC. As long as you're winning the fights. If the corp in question is not winning it's fights whether through hitting groups with better gun game or due to the sustained nature of PC causing it to be hard to always have your "A team" online then you are likely to lose turf, but that's not a mechanical issue, PC isn't a sprint but it's also far from locked out. Now once the new kick features are in and some of the massive tech issues which crop up around PC are dealt with so you only need one team, not 1 + 1-2 on standby for d/c, hard freeze, comms bugs, and lag outs it'll be a lot more accessible to smaller groups of players (provided of course that they have a team which is capable of beating the players fielded against them). 0.02 ISK Cross If you think one corp with a great team can take an alliance on with endless funds your living in a fantasy land. Who would even want to? Not to mention the profit margin only grows every second between the poeple holding and the poeple not.
The Knight Faust Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2013.06.24 22:01:00 - [22] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: Why would a hard reset of PC matter? In the end the same corps that have left PC will still be gone and the ones that own MH now will just take it back in another 2 months anyways. We need some iterations on the PC mechanics, I know true grit has already said they are working on iterations. Once PC is in a good place, then a wipe might be in order. However, a wipe will only do well if the clone pack purchase mechanic is reworked, otherwise it'll still end up just like day 1 PC was on May 14th. Something along the the lines of limiting clone pack purchases to one per day... that way it throttles the ability for megacorps with tons of cash from farming PC as it is to just buy 10-15 clones packs and buy a couple planets. Then once PC is underway, we'll need to limit clone pack purchases for people who own districts by changing clone pack purchases to reinforcing districts only, thus continuing to force system travel to actually attack a district (instead of completely bypassing it with a clone pack purchase that has unlimited range). TL:DR - PC needs iterations before a hard reset will make any difference. Well spoken.
The Knight Faust Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2013.06.24 22:03:00 - [23] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Morathi III wrote: Im agree with a PC reset, for the reason of the health of the game, but only when they make server more stable, and this time they need to make a 2 week district draft, i mean you can only take one district in a draft day so anybody have a chance to hold some district at the beginning and district need to be harder to got taken After I've fought for what my corporation has for what, a month now, this would be the end for me I've spent over 200mill for pc more if you count the lost suits there is no way there wouldn't be a revolt from those who've dedicated themselves to pc and I'd be right there with them. And to the op:Welcome to New Eden The ones who dedicated themselves to it are the only ones who had the means to do just that. So i dont feel bad for them at all if this would be the outcome considering it would even the playing field.
The Knight Faust Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2013.06.24 22:13:00 - [24] - Quote CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: Cross Atu wrote: The above theoretical examples in the OP are inaccurate. if you had a crack team of talented mercs,16 of them (i.e. a single complete team) could easily take and hold a district within PC regardless of the ISK thrown at them. You make money by successfully repelling an attack. On the other side even without holding any turf getting in (assuming your team wins its fights) takes only 2-3 battles to conquer a fully fortified district. In short as long as you're Corp is winning it's fights no amount of "blob" or ISK leverage can stop you from claiming and holding turf in PC. As long as you're winning the fights. If the corp in question is not winning it's fights whether through hitting groups with better gun game or due to the sustained nature of PC causing it to be hard to always have your "A team" online then you are likely to lose turf, but that's not a mechanical issue, PC isn't a sprint but it's also far from locked out. Now once the new kick features are in and some of the massive tech issues which crop up around PC are dealt with so you only need one team, not 1 + 1-2 on standby for d/c, hard freeze, comms bugs, and lag outs it'll be a lot more accessible to smaller groups of players (provided of course that they have a team which is capable of beating the players fielded against them). 0.02 ISK Cross Very well spoken, this exactly my friend.. LOL Says the one whos apart of the monopoly.
Cass Barr Red Star. EoN. 365	Posted - 2013.06.24 22:17:00 - [25] - Quote The Knight Faust wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Morathi III wrote: Im agree with a PC reset, for the reason of the health of the game, but only when they make server more stable, and this time they need to make a 2 week district draft, i mean you can only take one district in a draft day so anybody have a chance to hold some district at the beginning and district need to be harder to got taken After I've fought for what my corporation has for what, a month now, this would be the end for me I've spent over 200mill for pc more if you count the lost suits there is no way there wouldn't be a revolt from those who've dedicated themselves to pc and I'd be right there with them. And to the op:Welcome to New Eden The ones who dedicated themselves to it are the only ones who had the means to do just that. So i dont feel bad for them at all if this would be the outcome considering it would even the playing field. No, it wouldn't even the playing field, and saying it would just betrays your ignorance of the situation. And any Corp that wants to be involved in PC can do so for the paltry sum of 60 million ISK. There's not one Corp excluded from PC that actually wants to be involved in it, and is smart enough to watch the forums. Raising 60 million is child's play.
The Knight Faust Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2013.06.24 22:33:00 - [26] - Quote Cass Barr wrote: The Knight Faust wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Morathi III wrote: Im agree with a PC reset, for the reason of the health of the game, but only when they make server more stable, and this time they need to make a 2 week district draft, i mean you can only take one district in a draft day so anybody have a chance to hold some district at the beginning and district need to be harder to got taken After I've fought for what my corporation has for what, a month now, this would be the end for me I've spent over 200mill for pc more if you count the lost suits there is no way there wouldn't be a revolt from those who've dedicated themselves to pc and I'd be right there with them. And to the op:Welcome to New Eden The ones who dedicated themselves to it are the only ones who had the means to do just that. So i dont feel bad for them at all if this would be the outcome considering it would even the playing field. No, it wouldn't even the playing field, and saying it would just betrays your ignorance of the situation. And any Corp that wants to be involved in PC can do so for the paltry sum of 140 million ISK. There's not one Corp excluded from PC that actually wants to be involved in it, and is smart enough to watch the forums. Raising 140 million isn't hard. Pretty hollow words coming from one of the few groups truly benifiting from the situation.
Cross Atu Conspiratus Immortalis Covert Intervention 1208	Posted - 2013.06.24 23:26:00 - [27] - Quote The Knight Faust wrote: Cross Atu wrote: The above theoretical examples in the OP are inaccurate. if you had a crack team of talented mercs,16 of them (i.e. a single complete team) could easily take and hold a district within PC regardless of the ISK thrown at them. You make money by successfully repelling an attack. On the other side even without holding any turf getting in (assuming your team wins its fights) takes only 2-3 battles to conquer a fully fortified district. In short as long as you're Corp is winning it's fights no amount of "blob" or ISK leverage can stop you from claiming and holding turf in PC. As long as you're winning the fights. If the corp in question is not winning it's fights whether through hitting groups with better gun game or due to the sustained nature of PC causing it to be hard to always have your "A team" online then you are likely to lose turf, but that's not a mechanical issue, PC isn't a sprint but it's also far from locked out. Now once the new kick features are in and some of the massive tech issues which crop up around PC are dealt with so you only need one team, not 1 + 1-2 on standby for d/c, hard freeze, comms bugs, and lag outs it'll be a lot more accessible to smaller groups of players (provided of course that they have a team which is capable of beating the players fielded against them). 0.02 ISK Cross If you think one corp with a great team can take an alliance on with endless funds your living in a fantasy land. Proof? Quote: Who would even want to? Not a balance concern in any way, shape or form. Quote: Not to mention the profit margin only grows every second between the poeple holding and the poeple not. Relevance/context?
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 260	Posted - 2013.06.24 23:27:00 - [28] - Quote The Knight Faust wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Morathi III wrote: Im agree with a PC reset, for the reason of the health of the game, but only when they make server more stable, and this time they need to make a 2 week district draft, i mean you can only take one district in a draft day so anybody have a chance to hold some district at the beginning and district need to be harder to got taken After I've fought for what my corporation has for what, a month now, this would be the end for me I've spent over 200mill for pc more if you count the lost suits there is no way there wouldn't be a revolt from those who've dedicated themselves to pc and I'd be right there with them. And to the op:Welcome to New Eden The ones who dedicated themselves to it are the only ones who had the means to do just that. So i dont feel bad for them at all if this would be the outcome considering it would even the playing field. Even the playing field? Not quite all that will happen is it'll **** many off, the same corporations who have districts now would stomp out any smaller corporations that take any land and we'd be back to square one. If a corporation can not hold and keep a district now they would be unable to do so should pc be reset there is absolutely nothing stopping them from joining pc at this very moment besides not having the balls to take the oncoming wooping they would receive and if that's the problem they face then they shouldn't attempt to engage and either join a better corp or recruit/train members. I just don't see how setting up new/smaller corps for an ass wooping could benefit anyone but the corps/alliances you seem to loath
Jathniel G I A N T EoN. 506	Posted - 2013.06.24 23:29:00 - [29] - Quote The Knight Faust wrote: Cass Barr wrote: The Knight Faust wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Morathi III wrote: Im agree with a PC reset, for the reason of the health of the game, but only when they make server more stable, and this time they need to make a 2 week district draft, i mean you can only take one district in a draft day so anybody have a chance to hold some district at the beginning and district need to be harder to got taken After I've fought for what my corporation has for what, a month now, this would be the end for me I've spent over 200mill for pc more if you count the lost suits there is no way there wouldn't be a revolt from those who've dedicated themselves to pc and I'd be right there with them. And to the op:Welcome to New Eden The ones who dedicated themselves to it are the only ones who had the means to do just that. So i dont feel bad for them at all if this would be the outcome considering it would even the playing field. No, it wouldn't even the playing field, and saying it would just betrays your ignorance of the situation. And any Corp that wants to be involved in PC can do so for the paltry sum of 140 million ISK. There's not one Corp excluded from PC that actually wants to be involved in it, and is smart enough to watch the forums. Raising 140 million isn't hard. Pretty hollow words coming from one of the few groups truly benifiting from the situation. Pathetic. Okay, if Cass' words are "hollow", how would you respond to some hard numbers? Corporation of 16 players. Each donates 1,000,000 (1 million) isk per day (not hard). That's 16,000,000 (16 million) isk per day. 140,000,000 (140 million) divided by 16,000,000 equals 8.75. Basic arithmetic. In a little over 1 (ONE) week, a corp with only 16 guys can raise enough money for PC. Your argument is invalid. As for your OP... You completely ignored the fact, that the major alliances barely have the manpower to fight over existing space. When more regions are opened, there will be a lot more space, for campaigns between MANY alliances to occur. Just because EoN and CRONUS are fighting doesn't mean that in the future, some other conflict isolated from them can't happen. Your viewpoint betrays ignorance of the system and short-sightedness.
Cass Barr Red Star. EoN. 366	Posted - 2013.06.25 00:23:00 - [30] - Quote The Knight Faust wrote: Cass Barr wrote: The Knight Faust wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Morathi III wrote: Im agree with a PC reset, for the reason of the health of the game, but only when they make server more stable, and this time they need to make a 2 week district draft, i mean you can only take one district in a draft day so anybody have a chance to hold some district at the beginning and district need to be harder to got taken After I've fought for what my corporation has for what, a month now, this would be the end for me I've spent over 200mill for pc more if you count the lost suits there is no way there wouldn't be a revolt from those who've dedicated themselves to pc and I'd be right there with them. And to the op:Welcome to New Eden The ones who dedicated themselves to it are the only ones who had the means to do just that. So i dont feel bad for them at all if this would be the outcome considering it would even the playing field. No, it wouldn't even the playing field, and saying it would just betrays your ignorance of the situation. And any Corp that wants to be involved in PC can do so for the paltry sum of 140 million ISK. There's not one Corp excluded from PC that actually wants to be involved in it, and is smart enough to watch the forums. Raising 140 million isn't hard. Pretty hollow words coming from one of the few groups truly benifiting from the situation. Benefitting? We've fought for every bit of land we have, and had to capture the large majority of it from other major alliances. PC has, to this point, been a significant ISK sink, as in NET LOSSES. Your view from the comfy sidelines leaves out most of the picture. Our primary goal in PC was breaking up the CRONOS/Orion ISK farming, and the only reason we have as much land as we do is because all the people on the sidelines would prefer to complain about how unfair the situation is than buy a district for LESS THAN THE COST OF A SINGLE CLONE PACK. The reasons for that vary, I am sure. But the most likely ones are that they don't want to deal with the numerous hassles, or that they don't think they can defend a district from someone else attacking them. That's all well and good and fair enough, but don't pretend for a minute that not being involved in PC isn't a CHOICE that corps are making; there's no cabal of petty elitist jerks preventing them from participating.



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