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The Knight Faust
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Posted - 2013.06.24 11:57:00 -
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PLEASE TAKE 5 MIN TO READ THIS.
Planetary Conquest was a good concept at its core, However with the little facilitation it has had its now the perfect foreground to destroy the enconomy mechanics of the game.
The problem Not only lies with the games basic connection problems, or even the lack of territory.
The real problem comes with most of the big corps pulling out of PC all togeather. Leaving the big bands of corps that have allied togeather not because they enjoy playing with them or are "like minded". But to only avoid fighting eachother and monopolize the market while going unabided doing it like real spinless corporations in actuallity.
Theres already enough Shamless proto stomping in Pub matches. Which only harms the growth of the game. But now with alliances that already have a huge cache of funds between all there corps, and the crippeling expense it takes for and average corp to try to take on PC, it really wont matter even if you had a crack team of talented mercs to ward off endless waves of proto gear heads against the more important factor of endless funds between those mulitple corps to constantly defend, Reinforce, and attack in tandem.
This will prevent a good deal of other corps to enjoy the game, theres pleanty of competitive players here. Why should a small few get to enjoy this portion of the game Like Eon & Chronos? What about the little guys? They dont deserve a fighting chance?
99% Of all the corps in this game dident even get a chance to take part in the initial land grab because of all the cash is already in a few places. And Dont kid yourself by thinking when more territory opens up that youll have another chance. Because the corps who already control all of PC will have the best steak in it as soon as it open.
Being as they will have been stacking there gross amounts of profits for a plenty long while from owning Molden Heath as a group. Maximizing any chance of outsiders being destroyed promptly...Due to the sheer econmics that would be impossible to stand against. I should know, As my corp has been strong armed out of PC twice now (ALT for political reasons).
All of this would normally not bother me, As its a part of the competitive element of this game. Despite how shamless and pathetic it is to monopolize this part of the game like that. But this is where the head of the problem rears its head.
With all of these super alliances of PC corps going on this way it will start to severly affect all the game modes of dust. With limitless profits from PC and Personal Wallet Transfers coming, What can be done to balance out the inevitable super powers of this game Proto stomping every round possible. Even introducing proper matchmaking based on skill isent enough to impeed economic super powers like this, Who will not be above constantly throwing money around because they will have more than they know what to do with.
This will harm the game more than anything. Possibly destroy it. And you can bet thats not these corps concerns at all. They will destroy this games balance better than they play it. And where will that leave it? What can actually be done?
Hard Reset of PC? Yeah right. Who would ever go for that? Besides most who havent, cant or wont ever get a steak in it. And the ones who dominate it would be offended at the thought im sure even though there 100 times more well off than everyone else and can only gain when the odds are stacked in there favor. They dont want a fair or fighting chance, or even playing field for there opponets. Most dont know the feeling, Especially sence more than half the major powers are leaving PC behind.
The division of the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer has been exponetiated because of PC. We must recognize this before its too late and this game is dominated by the same small groups of corps who dont have enough pride to stop sharing as long as they benifit in a constant.
Too many players are stopping entirely as it is, from vets to new mercs who are out of the acadimy for a week before they cant take it anymore.
But how to get this to CCP?.....hhhrrrmmmmm. Where could you even start. Its a pretty straight forward problem that anyone can see coming, The solution is the tricky part.
Input please?
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The Knight Faust
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Posted - 2013.06.24 12:04:00 -
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Sigberct Amni wrote:You wrote this long wall of text and forgot about two important points
- Molden Heath is not the only region that can be taken
- No one in EVE gives a **** atm, thus rich vrs. poor hasn't truly come into play yet
Another dust is dieing thread. Yay.
This thread is about solutions. Yes theres negativity for a negative situation. Theres no PC outside molden heath.. and theres much more happening in this thread.
Another hating know-it-all on dust. Yay |
The Knight Faust
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Posted - 2013.06.24 12:06:00 -
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Morathi III wrote:Im agree with a PC reset, for the reason of the health of the game, but only when they make server more stable, and this time they need to make a 2 week district draft, i mean you can only take one district in a draft day so anybody have a chance to hold some district at the beginning and district need to be harder to got taken
Thats Something i forgot to cover in as much detail. The first draft was awful, And that feature aloan would make t a much more fair experence. |
The Knight Faust
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Posted - 2013.06.24 12:09:00 -
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Vane Arcadia wrote:I don't disagree with much you have said, but I think its probably working as intended.
The strong will get stronger and that's as it should be.
What will happen eventually is that the strong will fracture and a new wave will come through (made up from factions of the old) and new opportunities will come to the fore.
I don't think the current system is very good, but I do believe that CCP would have predicted the current status.
True enought. The hollowness in that though is that most dident have a fighting chance to start with the first established PC interface |
The Knight Faust
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Posted - 2013.06.24 22:00:00 -
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Cross Atu wrote:The above theoretical examples in the OP are inaccurate. if you had a crack team of talented mercs,16 of them (i.e. a single complete team) could easily take and hold a district within PC regardless of the ISK thrown at them. You make money by successfully repelling an attack. On the other side even without holding any turf getting in (assuming your team wins its fights) takes only 2-3 battles to conquer a fully fortified district.
In short as long as you're Corp is winning it's fights no amount of "blob" or ISK leverage can stop you from claiming and holding turf in PC. As long as you're winning the fights.
If the corp in question is not winning it's fights whether through hitting groups with better gun game or due to the sustained nature of PC causing it to be hard to always have your "A team" online then you are likely to lose turf, but that's not a mechanical issue, PC isn't a sprint but it's also far from locked out.
Now once the new kick features are in and some of the massive tech issues which crop up around PC are dealt with so you only need one team, not 1 + 1-2 on standby for d/c, hard freeze, comms bugs, and lag outs it'll be a lot more accessible to smaller groups of players (provided of course that they have a team which is capable of beating the players fielded against them).
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If you think one corp with a great team can take an alliance on with endless funds your living in a fantasy land. Who would even want to? Not to mention the profit margin only grows every second between the poeple holding and the poeple not. |
The Knight Faust
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Posted - 2013.06.24 22:01:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:Why would a hard reset of PC matter? In the end the same corps that have left PC will still be gone and the ones that own MH now will just take it back in another 2 months anyways.
We need some iterations on the PC mechanics, I know true grit has already said they are working on iterations. Once PC is in a good place, then a wipe might be in order.
However, a wipe will only do well if the clone pack purchase mechanic is reworked, otherwise it'll still end up just like day 1 PC was on May 14th.
Something along the the lines of limiting clone pack purchases to one per day... that way it throttles the ability for megacorps with tons of cash from farming PC as it is to just buy 10-15 clones packs and buy a couple planets.
Then once PC is underway, we'll need to limit clone pack purchases for people who own districts by changing clone pack purchases to reinforcing districts only, thus continuing to force system travel to actually attack a district (instead of completely bypassing it with a clone pack purchase that has unlimited range).
TL:DR - PC needs iterations before a hard reset will make any difference.
Well spoken. |
The Knight Faust
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Posted - 2013.06.24 22:03:00 -
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Sinboto Simmons wrote:Morathi III wrote:Im agree with a PC reset, for the reason of the health of the game, but only when they make server more stable, and this time they need to make a 2 week district draft, i mean you can only take one district in a draft day so anybody have a chance to hold some district at the beginning and district need to be harder to got taken After I've fought for what my corporation has for what, a month now, this would be the end for me I've spent over 200mill for pc more if you count the lost suits there is no way there wouldn't be a revolt from those who've dedicated themselves to pc and I'd be right there with them. And to the op:Welcome to New Eden
The ones who dedicated themselves to it are the only ones who had the means to do just that. So i dont feel bad for them at all if this would be the outcome considering it would even the playing field. |
The Knight Faust
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Posted - 2013.06.24 22:13:00 -
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CYRAX SERVIUS wrote:Cross Atu wrote:The above theoretical examples in the OP are inaccurate. if you had a crack team of talented mercs,16 of them (i.e. a single complete team) could easily take and hold a district within PC regardless of the ISK thrown at them. You make money by successfully repelling an attack. On the other side even without holding any turf getting in (assuming your team wins its fights) takes only 2-3 battles to conquer a fully fortified district.
In short as long as you're Corp is winning it's fights no amount of "blob" or ISK leverage can stop you from claiming and holding turf in PC. As long as you're winning the fights.
If the corp in question is not winning it's fights whether through hitting groups with better gun game or due to the sustained nature of PC causing it to be hard to always have your "A team" online then you are likely to lose turf, but that's not a mechanical issue, PC isn't a sprint but it's also far from locked out.
Now once the new kick features are in and some of the massive tech issues which crop up around PC are dealt with so you only need one team, not 1 + 1-2 on standby for d/c, hard freeze, comms bugs, and lag outs it'll be a lot more accessible to smaller groups of players (provided of course that they have a team which is capable of beating the players fielded against them).
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Very well spoken, this exactly my friend..
LOL Says the one whos apart of the monopoly. |
The Knight Faust
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Posted - 2013.06.24 22:33:00 -
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Cass Barr wrote:The Knight Faust wrote:Sinboto Simmons wrote:Morathi III wrote:Im agree with a PC reset, for the reason of the health of the game, but only when they make server more stable, and this time they need to make a 2 week district draft, i mean you can only take one district in a draft day so anybody have a chance to hold some district at the beginning and district need to be harder to got taken After I've fought for what my corporation has for what, a month now, this would be the end for me I've spent over 200mill for pc more if you count the lost suits there is no way there wouldn't be a revolt from those who've dedicated themselves to pc and I'd be right there with them. And to the op:Welcome to New Eden The ones who dedicated themselves to it are the only ones who had the means to do just that. So i dont feel bad for them at all if this would be the outcome considering it would even the playing field. No, it wouldn't even the playing field, and saying it would just betrays your ignorance of the situation. And any Corp that wants to be involved in PC can do so for the paltry sum of 140 million ISK. There's not one Corp excluded from PC that actually wants to be involved in it, and is smart enough to watch the forums. Raising 140 million isn't hard.
Pretty hollow words coming from one of the few groups truly benifiting from the situation. |
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