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Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
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Posted - 2013.06.24 20:01:00 -
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Stands Alone wrote:it doesnt affect it in EVE, why should it in dust? your affects and abilities are should not be something given, only earned through player actions
a minmatar merc fighting for amarr will get the same benifits as an amarr, why? because he fought and worked for them, not because he was given them at the beginning.
amarr who is in high standings decides to defect to minmatar will be punished with the low status with minmatar from fighting against them by choice, delaying the time that he will be rewarded with access to minnie faction items.
Im highly against any race bonuses because those are not earned or affected by actions, and you cannot cross train and get creative with crazy fittings.
Its very very rare, but sometime you will see a minmatar ship using amarr guns. its not as effective statistically, but its not expected, making it effective when put in use.
You cannot earn new special abilities only new types of gear.
Under my Proposal Each Race has its own unique abilities. One can, however train into the abilities of another Race. Mercenaries can train higher in the abilities of their own Race and Bloodline, adding significant depth and meaning to who you choose to be.
Nothing is given because it is all under the same skill system that we currently have unless you want to count the Static Dropsuit Bonuses.
Although nothing is given, it would be easier to train into the skill set corresponding to your particular race. |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
298
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Posted - 2013.06.24 20:08:00 -
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Stands Alone wrote:Stands Alone wrote:it doesnt affect it in EVE, why should it in dust? your affects and abilities are should not be something given, only earned through player actions
a minmatar merc fighting for amarr will get the same benifits as an amarr, why? because he fought and worked for them, not because he was given them at the beginning.
amarr who is in high standings decides to defect to minmatar will be punished with the low status with minmatar from fighting against them by choice, delaying the time that he will be rewarded with access to minnie faction items.
Im highly against any race bonuses because those are not earned or affected by actions, and you cannot cross train and get creative with crazy fittings.
Its very very rare, but sometime you will see a minmatar ship using amarr guns. its not as effective statistically, but its not expected, making it effective when put in use. race bonuses would abolish the creativity that can happen with fitting because why use a laser as a minnie when you get 25% more damage for using a minnie gun? they know whats coming and you wont using anything else ever Again you could train the same skills as Amarr if you are Minmatar, it would just cost more SP for you than for a Minmatar. Likewise fore all other Races.
The added bonus to the Dropsuit Command skill could be removed from the idea altogether, but I don't think it should. Like I said choosing to be a particular Race and Bloodline should carry some weight. |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
298
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Posted - 2013.06.24 20:14:00 -
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Stands Alone wrote:it doesnt affect it in EVE, why should it in dust? Although they occupy the same universe, they are still two completely different games. Not everything about them has to be exactly the same. |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
300
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Posted - 2013.06.25 14:05:00 -
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Updated Spreadsheet to add new skills to the "Basic Frames" line. |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
332
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Posted - 2013.06.28 16:47:00 -
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Does anyone have anything to contribute to this idea? |
Daedric Lothar
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
767
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Posted - 2013.06.28 16:52:00 -
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I have to agree with the others, we are not racist and there is no need to promote racism. Racism was why almost everyone rolled Caldari when EVE first came out. Caldari had a really good racial ability. However I think its also due to how awesome the corporate life is lol. But yes EVE had Racism and then they took it away. That is why you don't see it here.
Your race will play an important part when the facial portrait thing comes out. |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
332
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Posted - 2013.06.28 16:58:00 -
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Daedric Lothar wrote:I have to agree with the others, we are not racist and there is no need to promote racism. Racism was why almost everyone rolled Caldari when EVE first came out. Caldari had a really good racial ability. However I think its also due to how awesome the corporate life is lol. But yes EVE had Racism and then they took it away. That is why you don't see it here.
Your race will play an important part when the facial portrait thing comes out. Did you even read the entire thread or bother to look at the spreadsheets?
What does....
How is it...
I just cant...
/facepalm |
Daedric Lothar
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
767
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Posted - 2013.06.28 17:02:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote: Did you even read the entire thread or bother to look at the spreadsheets?
What does....
How is it...
I just cant...
/facepalm
I read the proposal, but my work filters access to Google docs, so I can't look at those. But my reasoning still applies. When EVE first came out, they had racial bonuses and people Meta'd the system and found that the Caldari bonus was the best, just like the Caldari Logistics suit is the best for running it as a combat suit. So everyone rolled Caldari because they were the "best" race.
So now EVE/Dust doesn't have any racial bonuses. But your race will affect your picture. |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
332
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Posted - 2013.06.28 17:13:00 -
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I don't really consider my "picture" as being very in depth and immersive character development. It's has no bearing on functionality whatsoever. In my proposal you would be able to train into the skills of another Race and Bloodline it would simply take more SP than the skills of your own. Please, when you can, take a look at the spreadsheets and everything proposed therein. Then leave feedback on what you like about it or whqt you would change. I did spend quite a bit of time coming up with all of this, and would not have you simply dismiss it in its entirety so easily. |
Daedric Lothar
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
767
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Posted - 2013.06.28 17:28:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:I don't really consider my "picture" as being very in depth and immersive character development. It's has no bearing on functionality whatsoever. In my proposal you would be able to train into the skills of another Race and Bloodline it would simply take more SP than the skills of your own. Please, when you can, take a look at the spreadsheets and everything proposed therein. Then leave feedback on what you like about it or whqt you would change. I did spend quite a bit of time coming up with all of this, and would not have you simply dismiss it in its entirety so easily.
Yea sure, I can do that. If all you mean is just a SP boost for Race and Ally skills, then that shouldn't be to big a deal. However it does run into the problem that a Newberry has no idea which weapon works best and would probably just want to reroll his toon as soon as he realizes that the Lazer Rifle wasn't what he thought it would be and the Railgun was much better and that like 3 Million SP mountain to go to Railgun 5 with upgrades is alittle to high to climb. |
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Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
333
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Posted - 2013.06.28 18:13:00 -
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Daedric Lothar wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:I don't really consider my "picture" as being very in depth and immersive character development. It's has no bearing on functionality whatsoever. In my proposal you would be able to train into the skills of another Race and Bloodline it would simply take more SP than the skills of your own. Please, when you can, take a look at the spreadsheets and everything proposed therein. Then leave feedback on what you like about it or whqt you would change. I did spend quite a bit of time coming up with all of this, and would not have you simply dismiss it in its entirety so easily. Yea sure, I can do that. If all you mean is just a SP boost for Race and Ally skills, then that shouldn't be to big a deal. However it does run into the problem that a Newberry has no idea which weapon works best and would probably just want to reroll his toon as soon as he realizes that the Lazer Rifle wasn't what he thought it would be and the Railgun was much better and that like 3 Million SP mountain to go to Railgun 5 with upgrades is alittle to high to climb. Then again one could argue that this let's dillema can very well exist with the current state of character development. |
Krom Ganesh
Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.06.28 18:40:00 -
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You're right, our ideas are similar but I'm afraid that by allowing so many bonuses that apply at all times might give rise to a race of super-supersoldiers that no new player would have a chance to fight against.
I also still prefer grouping suits based on race not class. It feels right to me to have similar tech grouped together. |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
333
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Posted - 2013.06.28 19:40:00 -
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Krom Ganesh wrote:You're right, our ideas are similar. Though I do like idea of the Merc Cultural tree, I'm afraid that by allowing so many bonuses that apply at all times might give rise to a race of super-supersoldiers that no new player would have a chance to fight against. I also still prefer grouping suits based on race not class. It feels right to me to have similar tech grouped together.
I particularly love the idea of the MERC Cultural Tree. It would add so much to the RPG aspect of Dust. I also really like bthe role bonuses in my idea.
By making the multiplier and initial investment significant ennough it would be a very very long time before that could happen. By then we would have PvE and other things aside from PvP to give vets things to do besides lolcrush the weak and n00bs something to do besides get crushed.
I suggest something like a 5x for Racial Skills (if my Dropsuit Command bonus was dropped 7x if not) and maybe 9x for Bloodlines with an initial SP investment of 18k and some change on both.
I do like your Dropsuit skill tree design. It would allow players to gain their preffered Race's bonus early on. I feel this is a necessary function in any game with RPG aspects.
What in particular do you like most from my ideas that you would incorporate into your's? |
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