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Exmaple Core
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Posted - 2013.06.23 04:10:00 -
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You cannot fit a respectable gunlogi with a damage mod-blaster combo, it is literally impossible, even with a standard blaster.
Gunnlogi has 1805 PG. 5 high slots 2 low slots 2 small turrents 1 large turrent. You are forced to include all 3 turrents.
Low slots: Proto PG extender (local): +15% bumps PG to 2180 Proto damage mod (high throughput feild stabilizer): 0 PG cost!
Small Turrents: using the least PG consuming weapons -standard st-1 Missle Launcher: 70 PG 70/2180 PG -standard st-1 Missle Launcher 70 PG 140/2180 PG
Large Turrent: Standard 80j blaster: 1000 PG 1140/2180 PG
High slots: Heavy converse sheild booster (adv booster): 512 PG 1652/2180 PG Heavy supplemental sheild extender (adv exxtender): 544 PG 2196/2180 PG Other 3 high slots are not included as you cannot run them! You can only run 1 high slot worth of mods.
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Exmaple Core
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Posted - 2013.06.23 04:33:00 -
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ladwar wrote:drop the extender and you will have enough and you can have 2 damage mods is that a joke? if you drop the extender you have no HP |
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Posted - 2013.06.23 04:35:00 -
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Coleman Gray wrote:Don't use heavy shield extenders is my advice If you use a bunch of small extenders you will have no resistance. In a world with Proto AV doing 2000+ damage a hit you will die instantly without resistance |
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Posted - 2013.06.23 04:35:00 -
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LOU C1F3R wrote:Welcome to the pain of trying to fit together a tank with the PG decrease that was pushed onto tanks. It was done to make tanks have to focus builds and make tanks have to choose between armor or damage due to people running BA tanks into pub matches. They were nerfed to make it easier on lower level players without realizing that doing so was going to make it easy points for anyone who spec'ed even remotely into AV. Tanks are now slow moving glass cannons with giant targets on them.
I suggest you stick with armor over damage and play very carefully and you might not lose your tank...... might......
Its been over nerfed |
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Posted - 2013.06.23 04:39:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:Your primary problem is that you're fitting a shield tank to be a brawler tank.
having a damage mod on a standard turrent does not make you a brawler. A proto turrent with no damage mods does much, much more damage |
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Posted - 2013.06.23 04:42:00 -
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ladwar wrote:Exmaple Core wrote:ladwar wrote:drop the extender and you will have enough and you can have 2 damage mods is that a joke? if you drop the extender you have no HP its not a joke, really its not. the only way to have a firepower shield HAV is to have light extender heavy booster and 2 damage mods and play blitz style and never ever even dream about stop moving unless undercover in the redzone and this is the way you have to go if go with blasters, missiles can fit the HP but it doesn't help much as missiles are dirt poor on infantry. shield HAVs are not meant to tank any amount of damage over any length of time ever period the end, if you want a tank that has any chance of tanking you must go armor HAVs.
If you do that you are dead. One AV nader will kill or a few swarms, never mind a forgegun. tanks are not fast or manuverable enough to reliably or realistacly hit and run. also, 2 damage mods are too much and its too much for a standard blaster gunlogi to have a single damage mod |
Exmaple Core
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Posted - 2013.06.23 05:16:00 -
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ladwar wrote:Exmaple Core wrote:ladwar wrote:Exmaple Core wrote:ladwar wrote:drop the extender and you will have enough and you can have 2 damage mods is that a joke? if you drop the extender you have no HP its not a joke, really its not. the only way to have a firepower shield HAV is to have light extender heavy booster and 2 damage mods and play blitz style and never ever even dream about stop moving unless undercover in the redzone and this is the way you have to go if go with blasters, missiles can fit the HP but it doesn't help much as missiles are dirt poor on infantry. shield HAVs are not meant to tank any amount of damage over any length of time ever period the end, if you want a tank that has any chance of tanking you must go armor HAVs. If you do that you are dead. One AV nader will kill or a few swarms, never mind a forgegun. tanks are not fast or manuverable enough to reliably or realistacly hit and run. also, 2 damage mods are too much and its too much for a standard blaster gunlogi to have a single damage mod I forgot how much the extender gives right on top of my head but it only gives 1 1/2 shot of a proto swarm at best or 90% of one shot from a forge gun so go back to this statement shield HAVs are not meant to tank any amount of damage over any length of time ever and let that ring though if you play your shield HAV because it is completely true.
okay, so if a sheild tank cant do any tanking what so ever, at all, in no way-shape or form, under no circumstances, then why cant they do damage? i jus went over the fit you suggested and here is the most optimal:
Small Turrents: using the least PG consuming weapons -standard st-1 Missle Launcher: 70 PG 70/1805 PG -standard st-1 Missle Launcher 70 PG 140/1805 PG
Large Turrent: Standard 80j blaster: 1000 PG 1140/1805 PG
High slots: Heavy converse sheild booster (adv booster): 512 PG 1652/1805 PG Azeotropic small sheild extender('proto' small extender) 75 PG 1727/1805 PG Azeotropic small sheild extender( proto small extender) 75 PG 1802 PG Two ward resistance mods for 30% passive resist and no PG!
Low slots: 2 damage mods for no PG!
Sooo, you can fit damage mods with small extenders and get blown up pretty easily and your still not doing any damage. that standard blaster with damage mods does 126 damage. a scattered neutron blaster (adv turrent) does 132 damage. In conclusion, "shield HAVs are not meant to tank any amount of damage over any length of time ever", or do any amount of damage to anything no matter what set up its using ever |
Exmaple Core
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Posted - 2013.06.23 05:34:00 -
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ladwar wrote:you should be able to fit a higher level turret with some skill into vehicle upgrades? give 1% to cpu and pg giving 1895 pg at max, I use 3 ward resistance mods but it up to the driver/fitter and have the 2 damage mods. the ability to recover and tank has always been with armor HAVs and with uprising the damage dishing has been overtuned which was shield HAVs main defense with speed right after it so a double nerf on shields. i have lv5 for the extra 5% and all my statements stand. 5% is not much, and the 15% PG exstender does not do enough |
Exmaple Core
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Posted - 2013.06.23 05:47:00 -
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however, unfortionetly, armor tanks can tank like a badass outa hell AND fit hardcore damage mod-blaster tanks |
Exmaple Core
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Posted - 2013.06.23 05:54:00 -
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Mavado V Noriega wrote:The legend345 wrote:meh why waist time in tanks? They suck now :/ tank fights are actually good now.......well armor vs armor at least yeah armor tanking is were its at. ligit. sheild tanks are f u c k e d |
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Exmaple Core
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Posted - 2013.06.23 06:15:00 -
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ladwar wrote:pretty much.. I with you on this, I just given up that CCP will put shields back into balance with armor that they broke with uprising. limiting choice does not open variety which was the goal of the PG and speed nerf, well sooner or later they will figure that out, most likely after PS4 comes out and last players drop out.
sadly it looks that way. CCP is too busy doing random **** like isk transfers when its the balance of the game that is ruinning dust. Cant wait for ps4 |
Exmaple Core
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.06.23 06:20:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:Poor exmaple, I remember you raping as a heavy, I remember you raping with core locus and a shotty, and I remember you and me both stuck with our sucky respec decisions. So sad. :( Unleash this man!!! Give him back his raping tools!
TY!! your my hero now +1 |
Exmaple Core
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.06.23 06:37:00 -
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Exergonic wrote:Exmaple Core wrote:Mavado V Noriega wrote:The legend345 wrote:meh why waist time in tanks? They suck now :/ tank fights are actually good now.......well armor vs armor at least yeah armor tanking is were its at. ligit. sheild tanks are f u c k e d They work fine for me... I have a damage mod on my pub gunnilogi fit witha Adv blaster Just drop the small extender use 2 light clarity 2 15% resist and a heavy extender (might have to use Supp) Thats how they made tanks now... lose hp for damage or other way around Edit: i believe i have 1 10% damage mod and a passive heatsink in my low slots not sure if im confusing it with a second fit of mine
thats weird. you should post the fit and the math with it here |
Exmaple Core
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.06.23 07:03:00 -
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soo.. anyone think this is balanced? |
Exmaple Core
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.06.23 07:34:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:Ha. Let's fix sha running around with core godlock pistols blowing my uplinks and the 2 guys that just spawned in and 2 shotting me from the stairs at alpha on the rings map. Maybe nerf the caldari logi a bit, nerf murder taxi's (especially free lav's), make lasers and plasma cannons relevant (again), and maybe even nerf forge guns just a teeny bit so they are used more for av and not sniping, make dropship piloting viable and then we'll talk about tanks. Just save up 8 mill yo. you invested what 15 mill in tanks? Hopefully you didn't waste anymore and you'll be back to reasonable levels of slaying by 23 mill sp. Edit: I need your feedback in This little thread of mine.. Please go and make it shine? <3
yeahh but CCP likes taking things one step at a time. Lets limmit this post to informing CCP how bad the sheild tank is. ill check out yo post tew |
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