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ADAM-OF-EVE
Svartur Bjorn
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Posted - 2013.06.22 15:14:00 -
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your just using it wrong.
what are dropships supposed to do - pick up troops, drop them off.
what are dropships currently used for - fly snipers to the top of the map, hovering about shooting stuff from the sky.
if you don't fit tank then you only have yourself to blame when you die.
if you hover about then you only have yourself to blame when you die.
if you get too close to the ground then you only have yourself to blame when you die.
i have killed plenty of dropships all doing the above. easy pickings and its not down to nerfed dropships. its bad piloting. i have spent whole matches trying to take out active players in fit dropships and failed miserably many times.
i only kill bad pilots and drivers and thats true because the good ones always get away. |
Knight SoIaire
Better Hide R Die
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
855
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Posted - 2013.06.22 15:16:00 -
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...HA....HA
Nice one!
Wait.... you were joking.... right? |
Django Quik
R.I.f.t
713
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Posted - 2013.06.22 15:18:00 -
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I have just spent an entire match on a rail installation under the MCC and shot down 9 dropships within seconds of them deploying. The fool just kept calling them in in exactly the same place in clear view of me!
That said, you don't have to be completely stupid to lose a dropship. They do seem very vulnerable (I've killed around 15 today alone!). But having never used them, I can't really say what's wrong - I just know that I kill them far far too easily. |
PonyClause Rex
TRAMADOL KNIGHTS
183
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Posted - 2013.06.22 15:20:00 -
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The OP is spot on, people want air superiority in the drop ships but is the role of the fighters when they come out you think your drop ship life span is short now you wait till fighters hit the shelves |
ADAM-OF-EVE
Svartur Bjorn
50
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Posted - 2013.06.22 15:23:00 -
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Django Quik wrote:I have just spent an entire match on a rail installation under the MCC and shot down 9 dropships within seconds of them deploying. The fool just kept calling them in in exactly the same place in clear view of me!
That said, you don't have to be completely stupid to lose a dropship. They do seem very vulnerable (I've killed around 15 today alone!). But having never used them, I can't really say what's wrong - I just know that I kill them far far too easily.
i tend to take out alot recently but thats due to the dropship pack of the market. they are just disposable to some people. although the proper dropships are a hell of alot tougther than those to kill. like you said you were killing a stupid pilot which in general is the main case for what people feel is a nerfed dropship |
Azura Sakura
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
144
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Posted - 2013.06.22 15:29:00 -
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I disagree... Also we get no WP unless we get kill assist. .-. |
Icy TIG3R
Red Star.
EoN.
377
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Posted - 2013.06.22 15:30:00 -
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1.5 million drop ship, almost 4000 shields and 800 armor, and a bunch of modules.
2 shotted by a forge gun in 4 seconds. |
ADAM-OF-EVE
Svartur Bjorn
50
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Posted - 2013.06.22 15:32:00 -
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Icy TIG3R wrote:1.5 million drop ship, almost 4000 shields and 800 armor, and a bunch of modules.
2 shotted by a forge gun in 4 seconds.
were you hovering or close to the ground or both?
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ADAM-OF-EVE
Svartur Bjorn
50
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Posted - 2013.06.22 15:34:00 -
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Azura Sakura wrote:I disagree... Also we get no WP unless we get kill assist. .-.
why are you trying to get kill assists in a 1.5mil dropship. drop your team off. they drop a spawn beacon while your flying back to safety. recall dropship at replenishment instalation and re deploy to the beacon. job done |
Azura Sakura
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
144
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Posted - 2013.06.22 15:34:00 -
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ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:Icy TIG3R wrote:1.5 million drop ship, almost 4000 shields and 800 armor, and a bunch of modules.
2 shotted by a forge gun in 4 seconds. were you hovering or close to the ground or both?
Isn't that how we pick up people? If all dropships were to have the same mobility as the ADS I would never complain ._. |
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SERPENT-Adamapple
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
101
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Posted - 2013.06.22 15:34:00 -
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I was playing a match last night where there was this Assault dropship hovering pretty low, dodging and weaving, taking multiple mercs out with his missle launcher. No one was able to take him out the entire match. We won but dam was he a pain in the you know what. |
Django Quik
R.I.f.t
713
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Posted - 2013.06.22 15:36:00 -
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ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:Azura Sakura wrote:I disagree... Also we get no WP unless we get kill assist. .-. why are you trying to get kill assists in a 1.5mil dropship. drop your team off. they drop a spawn beacon while your flying back to safety. recall dropship at replenishment instalation and re deploy to the beacon. job done
That's not what he said - he was pointing out that there's absolutely no way to get any WP by piloting a dropship unless you get kill assists from your gunners, which requires hovering around. That is the biggest problem with dropships. |
Medic 1879
The Tritan Industries
RISE of LEGION
466
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Posted - 2013.06.22 15:36:00 -
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I for a change decided to mess around as a MLT fatguy with a MLT forgegun today the only type of dropship I have struggled with is the Python because it can fly away quick enough. MLT ones drop in 2 shots and usually dont move quick. And logistics ones are harder to shoot down because they can tank better but still easy to shoot down or worst case send them away from the fight. Still yet to see a Gallente ADS so dont know about them.
I used a dropship to get up high to do some of this, I called in a gorgon and is it just me or does it take about 30seconds after you start holding L1 for there to be any actual change in altitude. Especially noticeable from taking off sometimes you hold to go up and nothing happens for a few seconds then you start to lift. |
ADAM-OF-EVE
Svartur Bjorn
50
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Posted - 2013.06.22 15:36:00 -
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SERPENT-Adamapple wrote:I was playing a match last night where there was this Assault dropship hovering pretty low, dodging and weaving, taking multiple mercs out with his missle launcher. No one was able to take him out the entire match. We won but dam was he a pain in the you know what.
you can only admire the bravery and skill of the pilot. good on him. |
ADAM-OF-EVE
Svartur Bjorn
50
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Posted - 2013.06.22 15:38:00 -
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Django Quik wrote:ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:Azura Sakura wrote:I disagree... Also we get no WP unless we get kill assist. .-. why are you trying to get kill assists in a 1.5mil dropship. drop your team off. they drop a spawn beacon while your flying back to safety. recall dropship at replenishment instalation and re deploy to the beacon. job done That's not what he said - he was pointing out that there's absolutely no way to get any WP by piloting a dropship unless you get kill assists from your gunners, which requires hovering around. That is the biggest problem with dropships.
but a dropship is for dropping people off.. if they are already on the ground then the dropship is not needed and you should switch to ground combat untill the dropship is needed again |
Django Quik
R.I.f.t
713
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Posted - 2013.06.22 15:38:00 -
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ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:Icy TIG3R wrote:1.5 million drop ship, almost 4000 shields and 800 armor, and a bunch of modules.
2 shotted by a forge gun in 4 seconds. were you hovering or close to the ground or both?
It doesn't take a huge amount of skill to hit a moving dropship with a forge gun. 2 shots isn't hard to get; you just have to figure out what direction it's heading and aim a few meters ahead of it. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
3939
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Posted - 2013.06.22 15:39:00 -
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I couldn't agree more.
I strongly advise all new players to specialize as dropship pilots. Even veteran players. If you haven't spent the SP from your respec yet, don't wait; specialize today.
You are the pivotal link in the chain that is your corporation, and your solo play will be incredible.
Fly safe
o7 |
TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
1126
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Posted - 2013.06.22 15:39:00 -
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I made a thread about AV in general that I think would help dropships out immensely.
Also, I totally agree with what you're saying. These things aren't supposed to be gunboats, they're transport vehicles. I swear people won't be happy until these things are flying HAV's with instagib rifles.
Bombers are coming soon too. Maybe these'll be the gunboats they've been waiting for. |
SERPENT-Adamapple
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
102
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Posted - 2013.06.22 15:40:00 -
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ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:SERPENT-Adamapple wrote:I was playing a match last night where there was this Assault dropship hovering pretty low, dodging and weaving, taking multiple mercs out with his missle launcher. No one was able to take him out the entire match. We won but dam was he a pain in the you know what. you can only admire the bravery and skill of the pilot. good on him.
I think dropships are useless until you get the assault variants. Easy pickings to death from above. |
Django Quik
R.I.f.t
713
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Posted - 2013.06.22 15:41:00 -
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ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:Django Quik wrote:ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:Azura Sakura wrote:I disagree... Also we get no WP unless we get kill assist. .-. why are you trying to get kill assists in a 1.5mil dropship. drop your team off. they drop a spawn beacon while your flying back to safety. recall dropship at replenishment instalation and re deploy to the beacon. job done That's not what he said - he was pointing out that there's absolutely no way to get any WP by piloting a dropship unless you get kill assists from your gunners, which requires hovering around. That is the biggest problem with dropships. but a dropship is for dropping people off.. if they are already on the ground then the dropship is not needed and you should switch to ground combat untill the dropship is needed again
The point is that there's no incentive to use a dropship for its supposed purpose. The maps are too small to make troop transport worth it, especially when a couple of LAVs can do that job without easily being 2 shot. If you're only going to use a dropship for a minute to drop people off and then play infantry for the rest of the game, what's the point in spending any SP on them? |
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Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
CRONOS.
2044
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Posted - 2013.06.22 15:42:00 -
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ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:Azura Sakura wrote:I disagree... Also we get no WP unless we get kill assist. .-. why are you trying to get kill assists in a 1.5mil dropship. drop your team off. they drop a spawn beacon while your flying back to safety. recall dropship at replenishment instalation and re deploy to the beacon. job done
With a vehicle that you have to specialize into? That's just ridiculous.
Dropships shouldn't be balanced as a one-shot taxi that you just use and recall to avoid it getting one-shotted by any dedicated AV player. No one wants Dropships to take hits like HAVs, they just want them to be able to take enough hits to do their job of being transports. |
Azura Sakura
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
144
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Posted - 2013.06.22 15:43:00 -
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ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:Azura Sakura wrote:I disagree... Also we get no WP unless we get kill assist. .-. why are you trying to get kill assists in a 1.5mil dropship. drop your team off. they drop a spawn beacon while your flying back to safety. recall dropship at replenishment instalation and re deploy to the beacon. job done
Because its providing cover for my team to not get ganked when they land |
ADAM-OF-EVE
Svartur Bjorn
50
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Posted - 2013.06.22 15:44:00 -
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Azura Sakura wrote:ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:Azura Sakura wrote:I disagree... Also we get no WP unless we get kill assist. .-. why are you trying to get kill assists in a 1.5mil dropship. drop your team off. they drop a spawn beacon while your flying back to safety. recall dropship at replenishment instalation and re deploy to the beacon. job done Because its providing cover for my team to not get ganked when they land
tanks are for supplying cover and suppresive fire. dropships are for transporting troops |
Django Quik
R.I.f.t
713
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Posted - 2013.06.22 15:44:00 -
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I think people need to stop seeing what they want to see when they read about people being unhappy with dropships - pilots don't want to be able to get kills, they just want WP for serving their team. Also, if they are troop transport, give them a tonne of HP, so they can drop troops off in danger zones. They don't have to have the killing power of a tank but they do need the survivability of one. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
3939
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Posted - 2013.06.22 15:45:00 -
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ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:tanks are supposed to supplying cover. dropships are for transporting troops
The fact that Assault dropships have 4 passengers instead of 2 is laughable at best.
Logi ships are a joke, and CCP has no freaking idea what a dropship is in relation to weapon / vehicle balance |
Second Cerberus
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
41
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Posted - 2013.06.22 15:46:00 -
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ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:your just using it wrong.
what are dropships supposed to do - pick up troops, drop them off.
Precisely. Why are there zero in game rewards for doing this? Also, there is zero need for this service when we have fast ground transport and droplinks.
ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:what are dropships currently used for - fly snipers to the top of the map, hovering about shooting stuff from the sky.
In my opinion this is for two reasons.
1. See above. There is no reason for any dropship pilot to attempt actually picking up or dropping off troops since there are several faster, safer ways to achieve this.
2. There appear to be less experienced DS pilots (with a few builds experience) now that we are in release. It was OK to justify keeping up your skills or adjusting to the changing flight mechanics in beta when there was light at the end of the tunnel. Now, DS are simply an SP sink and everyone eventually gets tired of spawning, circling endlessly, and inevitably dying to one of the several cheap game mechanisms detailed on these forums (Bolas, anyone?)
So you are correct that many "easy" dropship kills right now are due to Aerial Assault ships and poor piloting, but that's because few players with experience in ships would choose to waste a single point on them now. I don't remember the last time I was killed by a dropship and haven't ridden in one since release. Also, when i do see one a militia swarm launcher and fit has been sufficient to kill or contain them.
Right now, everything (gameplay wise) is wrong with dropships and once the novelty of the assault pack wears off I believe we'll see even less of them.
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ADAM-OF-EVE
Svartur Bjorn
50
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Posted - 2013.06.22 15:46:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:Azura Sakura wrote:I disagree... Also we get no WP unless we get kill assist. .-. why are you trying to get kill assists in a 1.5mil dropship. drop your team off. they drop a spawn beacon while your flying back to safety. recall dropship at replenishment instalation and re deploy to the beacon. job done With a vehicle that you have to specialize into? That's just ridiculous. Dropships shouldn't be balanced as a one-shot taxi that you just use and recall to avoid it getting one-shotted by any dedicated AV player. No one wants Dropships to take hits like HAVs, they just want them to be able to take enough hits to do their job of being transports.
but thats the problem. very few people use them as transport ships. they use them for dps or personal transport for snipers. if its har to take out every tower in every map would have a sniper on it and every point would have a heavy tanked dropship above it . |
Azura Sakura
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
144
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Posted - 2013.06.22 15:46:00 -
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ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:Azura Sakura wrote:ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:Azura Sakura wrote:I disagree... Also we get no WP unless we get kill assist. .-. why are you trying to get kill assists in a 1.5mil dropship. drop your team off. they drop a spawn beacon while your flying back to safety. recall dropship at replenishment instalation and re deploy to the beacon. job done Because its providing cover for my team to not get ganked when they land tanks are for supplying cover and suppresive fire. dropships are for transporting troops
Yeah they can but if I take a squad to an objective with just us. My dropships can make the job easier. |
ADAM-OF-EVE
Svartur Bjorn
50
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Posted - 2013.06.22 15:52:00 -
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Azura Sakura wrote:ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:Azura Sakura wrote:ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:Azura Sakura wrote:I disagree... Also we get no WP unless we get kill assist. .-. why are you trying to get kill assists in a 1.5mil dropship. drop your team off. they drop a spawn beacon while your flying back to safety. recall dropship at replenishment instalation and re deploy to the beacon. job done Because its providing cover for my team to not get ganked when they land tanks are for supplying cover and suppresive fire. dropships are for transporting troops Yeah they can but if I take a squad to an objective with just us. My dropships can make the job easier.
but thats the problem. its a transport ship not a combat ship. get in and get out fast |
BLKDG
ROYAL SQUAD
Shadow of the Apocalypse
5
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Posted - 2013.06.22 15:59:00 -
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One of my gunners went 15/0 against a pub squirm with a bunch of dusty university. Might have been some ragen on the other team mics. Lol |
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IceShifter Childhaspawn
DUST University
Ivy League
65
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Posted - 2013.06.22 16:25:00 -
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We rarely rage, we simply don't tolerate it on comms.
We use stomps as training tools to:
- Point out why our people were shot in the first place (Usually breaking cover)
- To discuss the best way to disorient or down the DS. Breaking down damage multipliers
- Point out that situational awareness is key. There is really no reason not to detect noisy DS.
The reason most of us abstain from using DS: it is usually faster to run.
With the delay between delivery and the issues with queuing most assault class troops can cover between 350-400 meters before the DS is even delivered. Heavies only need their support personnel and they all fit into a LAV without having to worry about flying.
Since uplinks have become more prominent, the use of DS to go from ground spawn to hotzone is also on the decline. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1727
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Posted - 2013.06.22 21:42:00 -
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Dropships are strangely inconsistent. Every once in a while, the one I spawn has trouble gaining altitude. |
Mac Dac
Wraith Shadow Guards
64
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Posted - 2013.06.23 00:09:00 -
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yeah i agree that some people do intend to turn dropships into gunships, but most dedicated dropship pilot want to be able to survive long enough to effectively drop and extract mercs from hot zones. the reason why you took out so many dropships so easy is because lot were cheap unfited milita dropships used solely for getting to higher ground.
For higher teir dropships the stats dont get much better and you can only tank so much.
Now the reason why i fly so low is to either pick somebody or hide behind buildings and any dedicated dropship pilot would know that it takes some practice to land without taking damage or fly low enough to remain hiden from AV. And i hover to provide support fire usally. i mean what kind of transport would offload a squad 10m from the enemy and then abandon them. HoweverTHIS...
ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:Azura Sakura wrote:I disagree... Also we get no WP unless we get kill assist. .-. why are you trying to get kill assists in a 1.5mil dropship. drop your team off. they drop a spawn beacon while your flying back to safety. recall dropship at replenishment instalation and re deploy to the beacon. job done
would insult any dedicated vehicle pilot or driver. The fact that you use used a 1.5mil dropship for something a free lav could do then just basicly put it back in storage proves that a dropship has little to no use, which just makes us Dropship pilots to want more resistance, flares, the ability to cloak. you think we dont want to transport dozens of squads at once in a air fleet across a district to some battlefield some miles away likte in the trailer (one moment finding the name of the trailer) but at the moment we drop like flys... which isnt a good feature of a transport vessel.
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