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Sigbjorn Foerik Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 10	Posted - 2013.06.22 10:55:00 - [1] - Quote CCP Remnant stated that the Caldari Rail Rifle will have the Breach Variant as it-¦s standard mode so I thought how that could work. A Railgun has high range but the Breach Variant is Low Range? Then I found an interesting weapon on wikipedia called Gyrojet. This weapon fires small rocket like bullets instead of classic bullets so it would fit perfectly to the Caldari nature. The bullets leave the barrel quite slowly but increase their speed to about Mach 1 at 18m and then the speed would decrease again. The weapon is very light and has almost no recoil because the weapon itself is more like a rocket launching pod than a weapon and there is just low pressure compared to classic firearms in the barrel. In DUST it would perfectly fit the definition of a Breach variant. It could have a small warhead inside similar to the Flaylock Pistol. Their damage would be about 100+splash damage but their RoF would be less than 200. The clip size would be only 20 or so. You should still keep the Rail Rifle and make it the Caldari variant of the Laser Rfile.
Sibri Vannikh Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 3	Posted - 2013.06.22 19:44:00 - [2] - Quote +1 That would rock but prolly rock too much for some trollers so it would be nerfed to hell after a month or two. A RoF of less than 200 is maybe a bit low, Id give it 400 RpM.
Meeko Fent Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 96	Posted - 2013.06.22 19:57:00 - [3] - Quote Meh. I really Don't want the Caldari to use Rockets in their guns. It Just Seems Weird. And it will Probably Be OP like the Core Flay. I Heard that thing is just Madness. I Could See this as a Caldari MD.
Sigbjorn Foerik Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 13	Posted - 2013.06.22 20:12:00 - [4] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: Meh. I really Don't want the Caldari to use Rockets in their guns. It Just Seems Weird. And it will Probably Be OP like the Core Flay. I Heard that thing is just Madness. I Could See this as a Caldari MD. I dont think so. It would have a very low RoF, damage about 100 and about 50 Splash Damage. The Splash Radius should also be just 1m so the Splash Damage would rather compensate the low RoF
Meeko Fent Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 96	Posted - 2013.06.22 20:22:00 - [5] - Quote Im gonna try not to get Carried away here, so... I Really Just wanna see a Caldari Gun that isn't... A Niche Weapon. The Sniper, the Swarm, the Forge, are All Niche Weapons. And All Caldari. It will be resolved when the Racial Rifles Come out. I'm not Saying that this should not be Noticed. It is a Cool weapon idea. Caldari Guys do Prefer Missiles. Just a Regular Rifle should Also Be added so There is a Non Niche Caldari Gun. and I'm not being Rude, but this Seems very, Nichey. Like it Does one thing, and one thing Only to Great Effective Ness
A B Ablabab The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 14	Posted - 2013.06.22 20:27:00 - [6] - Quote Impressive research, BTW. +1 for the effort.
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon Plus 1238	Posted - 2013.06.22 20:35:00 - [7] - Quote Yes, let's add more area of effect weapons which don't require skill to aim.
Meeko Fent Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 96	Posted - 2013.06.22 20:45:00 - [8] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Yes, let's add more area of effect weapons which don't require skill to aim. Quit your Bitchin, it could Be Worse. You could Have Fused Locus Grenades, Oh Wait! AoE Weapons aren't Bad when the Damage is Moderate over an Area, but Major on the Main Target. And Besides the Point, the Only AoE Weapon it the Game that isn't Broke as Hell is Grenades, and the only one anybody is using of those are the AVs.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 397	Posted - 2013.06.22 20:49:00 - [9] - Quote You do realize that the Rail Rifle is already in internal testing right? IIRC, we're supposed to be getting that and the Minmatar Combat Rifle sometime during Uprising.
Sigbjorn Foerik Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 14	Posted - 2013.06.22 20:53:00 - [10] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: Im gonna try not to get Carried away here, so... I Really Just wanna see a Caldari Gun that isn't... A Niche Weapon. The Sniper, the Swarm, the Forge, are All Niche Weapons. And All Caldari. It will be resolved when the Racial Rifles Come out. I'm not Saying that this should not be Noticed. It is a Cool weapon idea. Caldari Guys do Prefer Missiles. Just a Regular Rifle should Also Be added so There is a Non Niche Caldari Gun. and I'm not being Rude, but this Seems very, Nichey. Like it Does one thing, and one thing Only to Great Effective Ness Sorry but this is New Eden so each race has it's niche and primarily uses weapons of this niche.

Sigbjorn Foerik Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 14	Posted - 2013.06.22 20:58:00 - [11] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: You do realize that the Rail Rifle is already in internal testing right? IIRC, we're supposed to be getting that and the Minmatar Combat Rifle sometime during Uprising. The Rail Rifle should be still in the game but not as an AR but as Laser Rifle racial variant.
Meeko Fent Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 97	Posted - 2013.06.22 21:00:00 - [12] - Quote Sigbjorn Foerik wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: You do realize that the Rail Rifle is already in internal testing right? IIRC, we're supposed to be getting that and the Minmatar Combat Rifle sometime during Uprising. The Rail Rifle should be still in the game but not as an AR but as Laser Rifle racial variant. So as a Weapon that is about as useful as a Kitten?
Sigbjorn Foerik Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 14	Posted - 2013.06.22 21:05:00 - [13] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: Sigbjorn Foerik wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: You do realize that the Rail Rifle is already in internal testing right? IIRC, we're supposed to be getting that and the Minmatar Combat Rifle sometime during Uprising. The Rail Rifle should be still in the game but not as an AR but as Laser Rifle racial variant. So as a Weapon that is about as useful as a Kitten? The LR also has it's role and will fulfill it when it gets rebuffed. The Rail Rifle would be for this role too but work different.
Sibri Vannikh Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 3	Posted - 2013.06.22 21:16:00 - [14] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: Sigbjorn Foerik wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: You do realize that the Rail Rifle is already in internal testing right? IIRC, we're supposed to be getting that and the Minmatar Combat Rifle sometime during Uprising. The Rail Rifle should be still in the game but not as an AR but as Laser Rifle racial variant. So as a Weapon that is about as useful as a Kitten? Stop bitching! The only reason why it got such nerfed is because guys like you got killed by it and started bitching around like you do now.
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon Plus 1238	Posted - 2013.06.22 21:42:00 - [15] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Yes, let's add more area of effect weapons which don't require skill to aim. Quit your Bitchin, it could Be Worse. You could Have Fused Locus Grenades, Oh Wait! AoE Weapons aren't Bad when the Damage is Moderate over an Area, but Major on the Main Target. And Besides the Point, the Only AoE Weapon it the Game that isn't Broke as Hell is Grenades, and the only one anybody is using of those are the AVs. It could be worse, yes. We could introduce Caldari Rocket Rifles.
DeadlyAztec11 Max-Pain-inc 539	Posted - 2013.06.22 22:09:00 - [16] - Quote The Minmatar are the ones that use explosives as their primary weapons... The Caldari AR should be a full auto BB gun - Very accurate, very high fire rate, low damage, large clip.
Sigbjorn Foerik Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 15	Posted - 2013.06.22 22:19:00 - [17] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: The Minmatar are the ones that use explosives as their primary weapons... The Caldari AR should be a full auto BB gun - Very accurate, very high fire rate, low damage, large clip. Both use explosives in their warheads but they do not exist as primary weapon sytem. Minmatar use Autocannons and Artillery, Caldari use Missles and Railguns. And what is a BB gun?
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 397	Posted - 2013.06.22 22:34:00 - [18] - Quote Sigbjorn Foerik wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: The Minmatar are the ones that use explosives as their primary weapons... The Caldari AR should be a full auto BB gun - Very accurate, very high fire rate, low damage, large clip. Both use explosives in their warheads but they do not exist as primary weapon sytem. Minmatar use Autocannons and Artillery, Caldari use Missles and Railguns. And what is a BB gun? BB
Sigbjorn Foerik Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 16	Posted - 2013.06.22 23:02:00 - [19] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: Sigbjorn Foerik wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: The Minmatar are the ones that use explosives as their primary weapons... The Caldari AR should be a full auto BB gun - Very accurate, very high fire rate, low damage, large clip. Both use explosives in their warheads but they do not exist as primary weapon sytem. Minmatar use Autocannons and Artillery, Caldari use Missles and Railguns. And what is a BB gun? BB Why don-¦t you say airsoft gun directly? Everybody would understand this then.
Eris Ernaga Super Nerds 238	Posted - 2013.06.23 06:39:00 - [20] - Quote Rails high damage, high range, slow firing.

Davey Newcome Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2013.06.23 07:32:00 - [21] - Quote 2 examples of what the OP is talking about Issues Solutions Thx
Sigbjorn Foerik Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 17	Posted - 2013.06.23 08:08:00 - [22] - Quote Davey Newcome wrote: 2 examples of what the OP is talking about Issues Solutions Thx That-¦s not what I-¦m talking about. I don-¦t mean a rocket launcher, I mean something like this just as a AR and with a small warhead.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 219	Posted - 2013.06.23 08:12:00 - [23] - Quote Sorry but to me it doesn't suit the Caldari aesthetic. They do like missiles buy when hybrid tech is much more compact and easier to be applied in combat due to - Smaller Ammunition (even tiny mass accelerated scraps or iron will damage incredibly) thus gun weighs less -Sleeker and more compact than carrying missiles -more efficient system of killing Caldari are all about practicality and minimalism, small scale guidance systems are probably not something worth investing R and D in when minimised hybrid rail tech works equally well.
Sigbjorn Foerik Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 17	Posted - 2013.06.23 08:19:00 - [24] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Sorry but to me it doesn't suit the Caldari aesthetic. They do like missiles buy when hybrid tech is much more compact and easier to be applied in combat due to - Smaller Ammunition (even tiny mass accelerated scraps or iron will damage incredibly) thus gun weighs less -Sleeker and more compact than carrying missiles -more efficient system of killing Caldari are all about practicality and minimalism, small scale guidance systems are probably not something worth investing R and D in when minimised hybrid rail tech works equally well. The Flaylock is also a Caldari weapon and it does shoot rockets (unguided!). The weapon would be like it just with smaller rockets and it would shoot full auto. Just watch the video I posted above and you will see what I mean.
Ten-Sidhe Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 506	Posted - 2013.06.23 08:34:00 - [25] - Quote real gyro jets had no warheads, at least not in the pistol and ar sizes. They fired a small rocket propelled bullet, it did damage the same as a normally fired one, so no splash. The biggest quirk of the gyrojet was the speed went up over time rather then down, so at close range the damage would be low and increase with range. Spread was horrible, small imperfections in the motor made big variation on the impact point and the slow initial speed make it harder to spin stabilize. Gyrojets were fired from rifled barrels and had no fins, relying on spin for stability like a rifle bullet. A gyro jet rifle would be nice for caldari, but rail rifle would be better ar for them. Gyrojet rifle vs rail rifle would be kind of like the laser rifle and scrambler for amarr. Gyrojet would be a quirky weapon with lots of flavor, but not a good general purpose rifle. The flaylock is firing small rockets like the gyrojet, they just have explosives unlike most gyrojets. A gyrojet inspired by real-life and caldrai preferences would be something like the following. 1)Mid-long range since damage increases with distance. 2) not easy to aim, bullet travel with increasing speed and a high spread would make it tricky to get hits at long range where it would do most of it's damage. 3)Low magazine size, gyrojet rounds are larger then a normal bullet and case. 4)Based on physics, it would do 4x the damage at max range it does at 1/2 range, energy=velocity^2*1/2mass. Average damage is 1/3 the max damage. So it would be a very range sensitive weapon. Explosive warhead version would have constant damage and splash, but that is more a minmatar type weapon. Caladri missile in eve do kinetic damage. 5)full-auto, burst, and semi-auto would all make sense for variants. 6)The minmatar smg has a caldari made variant, ishukone is caldari corp. A similar minmatar made assault gryojet rifle with spalsh would be a nice tie in to the flaylock. Caldari made breach, and tac would have no splash, minmatar assault version would have greatly reduced direct damage and splash damage. Standard and burst could go either way, burst fire rosket with splash would be interesting but would need very low damage for balance. If the standard gyrojet rifle had splash, it could fill roll of the caldari grenade launcher.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 219	Posted - 2013.06.23 08:40:00 - [26] - Quote Sigbjorn Foerik wrote: True Adamance wrote: Sorry but to me it doesn't suit the Caldari aesthetic. They do like missiles buy when hybrid tech is much more compact and easier to be applied in combat due to - Smaller Ammunition (even tiny mass accelerated scraps or iron will damage incredibly) thus gun weighs less -Sleeker and more compact than carrying missiles -more efficient system of killing Caldari are all about practicality and minimalism, small scale guidance systems are probably not something worth investing R and D in when minimised hybrid rail tech works equally well. The Flaylock is also a Caldari weapon and it does shoot rockets (unguided!). The weapon would be like it just with smaller rockets and it would shoot full auto. Just watch the video I posted above and you will see what I mean. The Flaylock is a Minmatar weapon. It was shown on a particular piece of concept art, with a Rail Pistol as the Caldari side arm.
Sigbjorn Foerik Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 18	Posted - 2013.06.23 08:47:00 - [27] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Sigbjorn Foerik wrote: True Adamance wrote: Sorry but to me it doesn't suit the Caldari aesthetic. They do like missiles buy when hybrid tech is much more compact and easier to be applied in combat due to - Smaller Ammunition (even tiny mass accelerated scraps or iron will damage incredibly) thus gun weighs less -Sleeker and more compact than carrying missiles -more efficient system of killing Caldari are all about practicality and minimalism, small scale guidance systems are probably not something worth investing R and D in when minimised hybrid rail tech works equally well. The Flaylock is also a Caldari weapon and it does shoot rockets (unguided!). The weapon would be like it just with smaller rockets and it would shoot full auto. Just watch the video I posted above and you will see what I mean. The Flaylock is a Minmatar weapon. It was shown on a particular piece of concept art, with a Rail Pistol as the Caldari side arm. Just look at it. It is definitely a Caldari Weapon. EDIT: Do you have this concept art.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 219	Posted - 2013.06.23 09:14:00 - [28] - Quote Sigbjorn Foerik wrote: True Adamance wrote: Sigbjorn Foerik wrote: True Adamance wrote: Sorry but to me it doesn't suit the Caldari aesthetic. They do like missiles buy when hybrid tech is much more compact and easier to be applied in combat due to - Smaller Ammunition (even tiny mass accelerated scraps or iron will damage incredibly) thus gun weighs less -Sleeker and more compact than carrying missiles -more efficient system of killing Caldari are all about practicality and minimalism, small scale guidance systems are probably not something worth investing R and D in when minimised hybrid rail tech works equally well. The Flaylock is also a Caldari weapon and it does shoot rockets (unguided!). The weapon would be like it just with smaller rockets and it would shoot full auto. Just watch the video I posted above and you will see what I mean. The Flaylock is a Minmatar weapon. It was shown on a particular piece of concept art, with a Rail Pistol as the Caldari side arm. Just look at it. It is definitely a Caldari Weapon. EDIT: Do you have this concept art? Scroll through the Key notes but it shows the Flay Lock is Matari in origin http://imgur.com/a/4bKjz#0
Sigbjorn Foerik Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 18	Posted - 2013.06.23 10:05:00 - [29] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Sigbjorn Foerik wrote: True Adamance wrote: Sigbjorn Foerik wrote: True Adamance wrote: Sorry but to me it doesn't suit the Caldari aesthetic. They do like missiles buy when hybrid tech is much more compact and easier to be applied in combat due to - Smaller Ammunition (even tiny mass accelerated scraps or iron will damage incredibly) thus gun weighs less -Sleeker and more compact than carrying missiles -more efficient system of killing Caldari are all about practicality and minimalism, small scale guidance systems are probably not something worth investing R and D in when minimised hybrid rail tech works equally well. The Flaylock is also a Caldari weapon and it does shoot rockets (unguided!). The weapon would be like it just with smaller rockets and it would shoot full auto. Just watch the video I posted above and you will see what I mean. The Flaylock is a Minmatar weapon. It was shown on a particular piece of concept art, with a Rail Pistol as the Caldari side arm. Just look at it. It is definitely a Caldari Weapon. EDIT: Do you have this concept art? Scroll through the Key notes but it shows the Flay Lock is Matari in origin http://imgur.com/a/4bKjz#0 Though has a Railgun several downsides in CQC: It needs to charge up. It can overheat. It requires a lot of PG/CPU There a Gyrojet like rifle would be better and the Rail Rifle would be really good as a LMG like gun.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 219	Posted - 2013.06.23 10:31:00 - [30] - Quote Sigbjorn Foerik wrote: Though has a Railgun several downsides in CQC: It needs to charge up. It can overheat. It requires a lot of PG/CPU There a Gyrojet like rifle would be better and the Rail Rifle would be really good as a LMG like gun. Well we can only assume that the current large rail does have to charge up because it's propelling a larger object when firing, maybe the size of a golf ball to punch through tank armour, however a rail rifle would fire a tiny sliver of metal or a granule sized projectile to punch through dropsuits. In that case we could assume that the heat build up and discharge on that is similar to an Amarrian Laser weapon, and thus not a huge issue, also since the projectile is so small it require a charge time that is equivalent to the standard breach RoF. We can agree to disagree. Not saying it wouldn't be a badass weapon, just not in keeping with what I believe to be Caldari aesthetic.

Sigbjorn Foerik Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 18	Posted - 2013.06.23 10:40:00 - [31] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Sigbjorn Foerik wrote: Though has a Railgun several downsides in CQC: It needs to charge up. It can overheat. It requires a lot of PG/CPU There a Gyrojet like rifle would be better and the Rail Rifle would be really good as a LMG like gun. Well we can only assume that the current large rail does have to charge up because it's propelling a larger object when firing, maybe the size of a golf ball to punch through tank armour, however a rail rifle would fire a tiny sliver of metal or a granule sized projectile to punch through dropsuits. In that case we could assume that the heat build up and discharge on that is similar to an Amarrian Laser weapon, and thus not a huge issue, also since the projectile is so small it require a charge time that is equivalent to the standard breach RoF. We can agree to disagree. Not saying it wouldn't be a badass weapon, just not in keeping with what I believe to be Caldari aesthetic. It would be nice if any DEV could say something about this. They should know if it fits into the Caldari weapon philosophy.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 219	Posted - 2013.06.23 11:02:00 - [32] - Quote Sigbjorn Foerik wrote: True Adamance wrote: Sigbjorn Foerik wrote: Though has a Railgun several downsides in CQC: It needs to charge up. It can overheat. It requires a lot of PG/CPU There a Gyrojet like rifle would be better and the Rail Rifle would be really good as a LMG like gun. Well we can only assume that the current large rail does have to charge up because it's propelling a larger object when firing, maybe the size of a golf ball to punch through tank armour, however a rail rifle would fire a tiny sliver of metal or a granule sized projectile to punch through dropsuits. In that case we could assume that the heat build up and discharge on that is similar to an Amarrian Laser weapon, and thus not a huge issue, also since the projectile is so small it require a charge time that is equivalent to the standard breach RoF. We can agree to disagree. Not saying it wouldn't be a badass weapon, just not in keeping with what I believe to be Caldari aesthetic. It would be nice if any DEV could say something about this. They should know if it fits into the Caldari weapon philosophy. I also kind of want to know how the rail tech from EVE and DUST works.
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon Plus 1238	Posted - 2013.06.23 11:08:00 - [33] - Quote Railgun technology works by using electrified rails to generate an electromagnetic field in order to propel a chunk of metal at very high speed. The splash damage from railgun turrets isn't because it's an explosive munition, it's because there's a LOT of kinetic energy suddenly being released in a very violent impact.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 221	Posted - 2013.06.23 11:28:00 - [34] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Railgun technology works by using electrified rails to generate an electromagnetic field in order to propel a chunk of metal at very high speed. The splash damage from railgun turrets isn't because it's an explosive munition, it's because there's a LOT of kinetic energy suddenly being released in a very violent impact. Don't mean to derail but are talking mass effect sized projectile weapons, shaved grains of a metal block accelerated to high speeds to puncture targets.
Meeko Fent Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 100	Posted - 2013.06.23 16:12:00 - [35] - Quote Sigbjorn Foerik wrote: True Adamance wrote: Sorry but to me it doesn't suit the Caldari aesthetic. They do like missiles buy when hybrid tech is much more compact and easier to be applied in combat due to - Smaller Ammunition (even tiny mass accelerated scraps or iron will damage incredibly) thus gun weighs less -Sleeker and more compact than carrying missiles -more efficient system of killing Caldari are all about practicality and minimalism, small scale guidance systems are probably not something worth investing R and D in when minimised hybrid rail tech works equally well. The Flaylock is also a Caldari weapon and it does shoot rockets (unguided!). The weapon would be like it just with smaller rockets and it would shoot full auto. Just watch the video I posted above and you will see what I mean. The Flay is a Minmatar weapon. You can Tell what Race the weapon belongs to by looking at its colors. Minmatar- Redish and black Gallente- Green and Teal Amarr- Gold and Yellow Caldari- Grey and Blue
DeadlyAztec11 Max-Pain-inc 541	Posted - 2013.06.24 00:29:00 - [36] - Quote Sigbjorn Foerik wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: Sigbjorn Foerik wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: The Minmatar are the ones that use explosives as their primary weapons... The Caldari AR should be a full auto BB gun - Very accurate, very high fire rate, low damage, large clip. Both use explosives in their warheads but they do not exist as primary weapon sytem. Minmatar use Autocannons and Artillery, Caldari use Missles and Railguns. And what is a BB gun? BB Why don-¦t you say airsoft gun directly? Everybody would understand this then. Airsoft =/= BB gun Second, more people know the term BB gun over Airsoft.


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