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Sigbjorn Foerik
Vherokior Combat Logistics
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.22 10:55:00 -
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CCP Remnant stated that the Caldari Rail Rifle will have the Breach Variant as it-¦s standard mode so I thought how that could work. A Railgun has high range but the Breach Variant is Low Range?
Then I found an interesting weapon on wikipedia called Gyrojet. This weapon fires small rocket like bullets instead of classic bullets so it would fit perfectly to the Caldari nature. The bullets leave the barrel quite slowly but increase their speed to about Mach 1 at 18m and then the speed would decrease again.
The weapon is very light and has almost no recoil because the weapon itself is more like a rocket launching pod than a weapon and there is just low pressure compared to classic firearms in the barrel.
In DUST it would perfectly fit the definition of a Breach variant. It could have a small warhead inside similar to the Flaylock Pistol.
Their damage would be about 100+splash damage but their RoF would be less than 200. The clip size would be only 20 or so.
You should still keep the Rail Rifle and make it the Caldari variant of the Laser Rfile. |
Sigbjorn Foerik
Vherokior Combat Logistics
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.22 20:12:00 -
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Meeko Fent wrote:Meh. I really Don't want the Caldari to use Rockets in their guns.
It Just Seems Weird. And it will Probably Be OP like the Core Flay. I Heard that thing is just Madness.
I Could See this as a Caldari MD.
I dont think so. It would have a very low RoF, damage about 100 and about 50 Splash Damage. The Splash Radius should also be just 1m so the Splash Damage would rather compensate the low RoF
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Sigbjorn Foerik
Vherokior Combat Logistics
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.22 20:53:00 -
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Meeko Fent wrote:Im gonna try not to get Carried away here, so...
I Really Just wanna see a Caldari Gun that isn't...
A Niche Weapon. The Sniper, the Swarm, the Forge, are All Niche Weapons. And All Caldari. It will be resolved when the Racial Rifles Come out.
I'm not Saying that this should not be Noticed. It is a Cool weapon idea. Caldari Guys do Prefer Missiles. Just a Regular Rifle should Also Be added so There is a Non Niche Caldari Gun. and I'm not being Rude, but this Seems very, Nichey. Like it Does one thing, and one thing Only to Great Effective Ness
Sorry but this is New Eden so each race has it's niche and primarily uses weapons of this niche. |
Sigbjorn Foerik
Vherokior Combat Logistics
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.22 20:58:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:You do realize that the Rail Rifle is already in internal testing right?
IIRC, we're supposed to be getting that and the Minmatar Combat Rifle sometime during Uprising.
The Rail Rifle should be still in the game but not as an AR but as Laser Rifle racial variant. |
Sigbjorn Foerik
Vherokior Combat Logistics
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.22 21:05:00 -
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Meeko Fent wrote:Sigbjorn Foerik wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:You do realize that the Rail Rifle is already in internal testing right?
IIRC, we're supposed to be getting that and the Minmatar Combat Rifle sometime during Uprising. The Rail Rifle should be still in the game but not as an AR but as Laser Rifle racial variant. So as a Weapon that is about as useful as a Kitten?
The LR also has it's role and will fulfill it when it gets rebuffed. The Rail Rifle would be for this role too but work different. |
Sigbjorn Foerik
Vherokior Combat Logistics
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.22 22:19:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:The Minmatar are the ones that use explosives as their primary weapons...
The Caldari AR should be a full auto BB gun - Very accurate, very high fire rate, low damage, large clip.
Both use explosives in their warheads but they do not exist as primary weapon sytem. Minmatar use Autocannons and Artillery, Caldari use Missles and Railguns.
And what is a BB gun? |
Sigbjorn Foerik
Vherokior Combat Logistics
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.22 23:02:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:Sigbjorn Foerik wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:The Minmatar are the ones that use explosives as their primary weapons...
The Caldari AR should be a full auto BB gun - Very accurate, very high fire rate, low damage, large clip. Both use explosives in their warheads but they do not exist as primary weapon sytem. Minmatar use Autocannons and Artillery, Caldari use Missles and Railguns. And what is a BB gun? BB
Why don-¦t you say airsoft gun directly? Everybody would understand this then. |
Sigbjorn Foerik
Vherokior Combat Logistics
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.23 08:08:00 -
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That-¦s not what I-¦m talking about.
I don-¦t mean a rocket launcher, I mean something like this just as a AR and with a small warhead. |
Sigbjorn Foerik
Vherokior Combat Logistics
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.23 08:19:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Sorry but to me it doesn't suit the Caldari aesthetic. They do like missiles buy when hybrid tech is much more compact and easier to be applied in combat due to
- Smaller Ammunition (even tiny mass accelerated scraps or iron will damage incredibly) thus gun weighs less
-Sleeker and more compact than carrying missiles
-more efficient system of killing
Caldari are all about practicality and minimalism, small scale guidance systems are probably not something worth investing R and D in when minimised hybrid rail tech works equally well.
The Flaylock is also a Caldari weapon and it does shoot rockets (unguided!). The weapon would be like it just with smaller rockets and it would shoot full auto.
Just watch the video I posted above and you will see what I mean.
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Sigbjorn Foerik
Vherokior Combat Logistics
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.23 08:47:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Sigbjorn Foerik wrote:True Adamance wrote:Sorry but to me it doesn't suit the Caldari aesthetic. They do like missiles buy when hybrid tech is much more compact and easier to be applied in combat due to
- Smaller Ammunition (even tiny mass accelerated scraps or iron will damage incredibly) thus gun weighs less
-Sleeker and more compact than carrying missiles
-more efficient system of killing
Caldari are all about practicality and minimalism, small scale guidance systems are probably not something worth investing R and D in when minimised hybrid rail tech works equally well. The Flaylock is also a Caldari weapon and it does shoot rockets (unguided!). The weapon would be like it just with smaller rockets and it would shoot full auto. Just watch the video I posted above and you will see what I mean. The Flaylock is a Minmatar weapon. It was shown on a particular piece of concept art, with a Rail Pistol as the Caldari side arm.
Just look at it. It is definitely a Caldari Weapon.
EDIT: Do you have this concept art. |
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Sigbjorn Foerik
Vherokior Combat Logistics
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.23 10:05:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Sigbjorn Foerik wrote:True Adamance wrote:Sigbjorn Foerik wrote:True Adamance wrote:Sorry but to me it doesn't suit the Caldari aesthetic. They do like missiles buy when hybrid tech is much more compact and easier to be applied in combat due to
- Smaller Ammunition (even tiny mass accelerated scraps or iron will damage incredibly) thus gun weighs less
-Sleeker and more compact than carrying missiles
-more efficient system of killing
Caldari are all about practicality and minimalism, small scale guidance systems are probably not something worth investing R and D in when minimised hybrid rail tech works equally well. The Flaylock is also a Caldari weapon and it does shoot rockets (unguided!). The weapon would be like it just with smaller rockets and it would shoot full auto. Just watch the video I posted above and you will see what I mean. The Flaylock is a Minmatar weapon. It was shown on a particular piece of concept art, with a Rail Pistol as the Caldari side arm. Just look at it. It is definitely a Caldari Weapon. EDIT: Do you have this concept art? Scroll through the Key notes but it shows the Flay Lock is Matari in origin http://imgur.com/a/4bKjz#0
Though has a Railgun several downsides in CQC:
It needs to charge up.
It can overheat.
It requires a lot of PG/CPU
There a Gyrojet like rifle would be better and the Rail Rifle would be really good as a LMG like gun. |
Sigbjorn Foerik
Vherokior Combat Logistics
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.23 10:40:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Sigbjorn Foerik wrote:
Though has a Railgun several downsides in CQC:
It needs to charge up.
It can overheat.
It requires a lot of PG/CPU
There a Gyrojet like rifle would be better and the Rail Rifle would be really good as a LMG like gun.
Well we can only assume that the current large rail does have to charge up because it's propelling a larger object when firing, maybe the size of a golf ball to punch through tank armour, however a rail rifle would fire a tiny sliver of metal or a granule sized projectile to punch through dropsuits. In that case we could assume that the heat build up and discharge on that is similar to an Amarrian Laser weapon, and thus not a huge issue, also since the projectile is so small it require a charge time that is equivalent to the standard breach RoF. We can agree to disagree. Not saying it wouldn't be a badass weapon, just not in keeping with what I believe to be Caldari aesthetic.
It would be nice if any DEV could say something about this. They should know if it fits into the Caldari weapon philosophy. |
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