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Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
14
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Posted - 2013.06.22 08:56:00 -
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http://uk.gamespot.com/dust-514/reviews/dust-514-review-6409489/
"EVE-related metagame impacts only a small number of players / Lacks the heart-pounding thrills of similar games / A number of technical hitches / Slow progression leads to some sense of grind."
6.0
And even the users reviews are low, and that is unusual considering that is a Kevin VanOrd review, most people in GameSpot hates that guy. |
PonyClause Rex
TRAMADOL KNIGHTS
181
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Posted - 2013.06.22 09:05:00 -
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The community doesn't care about those things they just want CCP to focus on there drop ships to be immune to ant air or there tanks to be immune to anti vehicle |
PonyClause Rex
TRAMADOL KNIGHTS
181
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Posted - 2013.06.22 09:06:00 -
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Banning Hammer wrote: / Slow progression leads to some sense of grind."
Ive been saying this for a while now, but this is here to stay for good
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Davey Newcome
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.06.23 00:01:00 -
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Better than ign's review I guess |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
2801
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Posted - 2013.06.23 00:04:00 -
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PonyClause Rex wrote:Banning Hammer wrote: / Slow progression leads to some sense of grind." Ive been saying this for a while now, but this is here to stay for good
I don't know why people are afraid of the grind. I see it all the time in other FPS games. CoD, Halo, etc. I see it all the time. Dust has the same grind anyways. |
Dust Project 514
Dust Evo 514
36
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Posted - 2013.06.23 00:07:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:PonyClause Rex wrote:Banning Hammer wrote: / Slow progression leads to some sense of grind." Ive been saying this for a while now, but this is here to stay for good I don't know why people are afraid of the grind. I see it all the time in other FPS games. CoD, Halo, etc. I see it all the time. Dust has the same grind anyways. '
You can reach max level MUCH FASTER in those games, compared to this one.
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Greg FREESEr
Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.06.23 03:05:00 -
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Dust feels like pushing rope? Review was spot on though. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
4498
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Posted - 2013.06.23 03:22:00 -
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Very fair review. What most of the reviews don't notice (because the game fails to explain) is that planetary conquest is not the promised feature where Dust mercs are hired by EVE players to attack/defend their stuff, and currently there is no real meaningful connection to EVE and Dust. |
J3f3r20n Gh057
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
5
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Posted - 2013.06.23 03:35:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:PonyClause Rex wrote:Banning Hammer wrote: / Slow progression leads to some sense of grind." Ive been saying this for a while now, but this is here to stay for good I don't know why people are afraid of the grind. I see it all the time in other FPS games. CoD, Halo, etc. I see it all the time. Dust has the same grind anyways.
The problem, in my opinion, is the lack of purpose...its pointless...at least in BF 3 its cool to unlock some cool weapon mods...But in Dust its not cool to play a month straight to unlock some bs equipment that doen't really impact nothing at all... |
J3f3r20n Gh057
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
5
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Posted - 2013.06.23 03:42:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Very fair review. What most of the reviews don't notice (because the game fails to explain) is that planetary conquest is not the promised feature where Dust mercs are hired by EVE players to attack/defend their stuff, and currently there is no real meaningful connection to EVE and Dust.
Sooooo, it's pointless for non-EvE player to invest time in Dust |
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Greg FREESEr
Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.06.23 05:55:00 -
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Gamespot usually pretty spot on. I agree with there review |
Krixus Flux
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.06.23 06:02:00 -
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I really could care less about the connection between EVE and Dust players. If it works, it works. If it isn't happening, I don't care. I'm still fulfilling contracts |
General Technique
Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic
59
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Posted - 2013.06.23 06:11:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:PonyClause Rex wrote:Banning Hammer wrote: / Slow progression leads to some sense of grind." Ive been saying this for a while now, but this is here to stay for good I don't know why people are afraid of the grind. I see it all the time in other FPS games. CoD, Halo, etc. I see it all the time. Dust has the same grind anyways.
No. Not in the games you mentioned.
Even the CCP devs are laughing at you over that comment, fanbro |
General Technique
Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic
59
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Posted - 2013.06.23 06:12:00 -
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Greg FREESEr wrote:Gamespot usually pretty spot on. I agree with there review
Gamespot sucks complete and absolute ass.
That said, I agree with what I've heard was in that review (wouldn't touch a link to that site with a ten-foot-pole) |
dday3six
Intrepidus XI Omega Commission
24
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Posted - 2013.06.23 06:34:00 -
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While Dust may have it's flaws, I stopped listening to reviews long ago. Presonally I'd rather CCP spend money on the game rather then buying off reviewers.
Maken Tosch wrote:PonyClause Rex wrote:Banning Hammer wrote: / Slow progression leads to some sense of grind." Ive been saying this for a while now, but this is here to stay for good I don't know why people are afraid of the grind. I see it all the time in other FPS games. CoD, Halo, etc. I see it all the time. Dust has the same grind anyways.
Dust's progression grind is much greater and the gap from militia/standard vs advance/proto is a much wider.
There's also a notable lack of a "noob-tube" weapon to weather the grind with. Typically shooters have a low skill, quickly unlocked weapon which assists players with a competitive edge while they're leveling up. Often this role is filled by shotguns or other CQC weapons that are often able to 1 or 2 hit kill player at extremely close range, which lessens the need for accurate aiming. They're normally easy to counter to avoid being overpowered, but they nevertheless fit the bill of letting new and/or less skilled players feel as if they're able to kill something until they become better at the game and/or unlock better, more versatile weapons.
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Niuvo
The Phoenix Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.23 06:49:00 -
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I have heart-pounding thrills, more so then MW3, if any. |
crazy space 1
Unkn0wn Killers
1395
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Posted - 2013.06.23 09:15:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:PonyClause Rex wrote:Banning Hammer wrote: / Slow progression leads to some sense of grind." Ive been saying this for a while now, but this is here to stay for good I don't know why people are afraid of the grind. I see it all the time in other FPS games. CoD, Halo, etc. I see it all the time. Dust has the same grind anyways. Black ops two takes 160 hours , halo 4 takes less, 80 or so. To level to max unlock all skills traits, weapon upgrades.
Dust currently takes 8500 hours of active playing to cap out. And you can only grind so many of those hours per week. |
Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
726
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Posted - 2013.06.23 11:08:00 -
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This game is only a grind if you make it a grind.
I mean, do you guys consider Christmas a grind because it is so far away? OMG, it will 365 days for it to get here... we need that to be sooner.
If you don't play for the SP, but use it when it accumulates, the grind nature of the game goes away. It's just a mindset... but I think if you treat it like a job it won't be fun. |
AlleyKatPr0
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2013.06.23 11:24:00 -
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Crash Monster wrote:This game is only a grind if you make it a grind.
I mean, do you guys consider Christmas a grind because it is so far away? OMG, it will 365 days for it to get here... we need that to be sooner.
If you don't play for the SP, but use it when it accumulates, the grind nature of the game goes away. It's just a mindset... but I think if you treat it like a job it won't be fun.
I wish it could be Christmas everyday, longest day of the year was Friday...halfway to Turkey-time.
Your other point; the players don't treat it as a job, the game treats the players like workers that need to submit to the dictatorship of the game design in order to have fun.
Remember games? Yeah, those things we do for fun. Not anymore apparently, because to have fun you have to grind. EVE is different, because we're talking about spaceships and interstellar travel, with the mechanics of specialising in exploration, combat, industrial pursuits etc. Most pilot then join up and create a corp with members that have different skills or traits suitable to meeting the goals of the corporation.
With FPS, people just wanna shoot people for a few minutes after a long day sat on the couch - not sat at a desk ploughing through Excel spreadsheets, which is typically the requirements of EVE. |
Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
728
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Posted - 2013.06.23 11:28:00 -
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AlleyKatPr0 wrote:With FPS, people just wanna shoot people for a few minutes after a long day sat on the couch - not sat at a desk ploughing through Excel spreadsheets, which is typically the requirements of EVE.
My guess, and it's only really a guess, is that CCP is trying to make something new, something different. This game seems unlikely to be only an FPS and maybe it takes a slightly different mindset to enjoy it? |
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Seri Vulk
Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.06.23 21:21:00 -
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The review is very accurate, you can see that after 5 minutes on these forums.
If you are dissagreeing with the review then you must be blind or stupid. |
ALAINAgg
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.06.23 22:10:00 -
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I feel the score was avg for dust. Not many good things to promote, hense the low scores |
Jin Robot
Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance
996
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Posted - 2013.06.23 22:19:00 -
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Content and few maps, modes, vehicles, suits lead to average reviews. It will be a different game to review in a year. |
General Technique
Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic
60
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Posted - 2013.06.23 22:47:00 -
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Jin Robot wrote:Content and few maps, modes, vehicles, suits lead to average reviews. It will be a different game to review in a year.
It won't be receiving any serious reviews in a year. Not from anywhere that matters.
Oh, CCP will certainly "try" to relaunch the title and get it some fresh reviews (Dust 2.0, Dust 3.0, etc.. etc..), but it will be an excercise in futility.
Even now, the types of reviewers who are typically interested in coveringe "soft" relaunches of so-called MMO games, are becoming less and less kind about the whole paid beta access - launchday DLC - softlaunch scam that is trending more and more in today's gaming industry. So, the coverage that CCP gets will likely be exactly the type that they do NOT want..... the "final nail in the coffin" type of coverage.
http://massively.joystiq.com/2013/06/11/the-soapbox-the-soft-launch-scam/#comments |
PlanetsideTwoBomber
Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.06.24 02:07:00 -
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Be your own Judge. What game looks like more fun to you? Dust.........Or this.........
Planetside 2
Coming to PS4 this year
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KellyJann
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.06.24 03:38:00 -
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Jin Robot wrote:Content and few maps, modes, vehicles, suits lead to average reviews. It will be a different game to review in a year. Im quoting you fanboi #4
We will see we will see.
Did you say that a year ago too? Because I did.
The review is spot on for what dust is right now. Sorry fanbois the game isnt worth looking at in review score terms. |
AlleyKatPr0
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
35
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Posted - 2013.08.09 17:14:00 -
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Crash Monster wrote:My guess, and it's only really a guess, is that CCP is trying to make something new, something different. This game seems unlikely to be only an FPS and maybe it takes a slightly different mindset to enjoy it?
Then kindly define the target audience, or, 'mindset' required to qualify one for an enjoyable session of playing DUST 514.
If you don't want the mass-market appeal, don't market to it by having a game where 99% of the time is spent finding targets to put in your crosshairs.
The more you try an alleviate something, the less people are prepared to crank their heads.
This is what is known as alienating your target audience, and it's analogous to forgetting your wife's name, let alone your anniversary, or her birthday. Just put the shotgun to your own head, the pain will be quick, but it'll be over a lot faster.
Gamers forgive, but they never forget, especially those who got tattoos, or named their first born Eve, or got permission to have spaceship on their wedding cake....oh the list goes on... |
TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
2464
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Posted - 2013.08.09 17:17:00 -
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AlleyKatPr0 wrote:Crash Monster wrote:My guess, and it's only really a guess, is that CCP is trying to make something new, something different. This game seems unlikely to be only an FPS and maybe it takes a slightly different mindset to enjoy it? Then kindly define the target audience, or, 'mindset' required to qualify one for an enjoyable session of playing DUST 514. If you don't want the mass-market appeal, don't market to it by having a game where 99% of the time is spent finding targets to put in your crosshairs. The more you try an alleviate something, the less people are prepared to crank their heads. This is what is known as alienating your target audience, and it's analogous to forgetting your wife's name, let alone your anniversary, or her birthday. Just put the shotgun to your own head, the pain will be quick, but it'll be over a lot faster. Gamers forgive, but they never forget, especially those who got tattoos, or named their first born Eve, or got permission to have spaceship on their wedding cake....oh the list goes on... Thread Necro V get. |
Tectonic Fusion
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
108
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Posted - 2013.08.09 17:22:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:PonyClause Rex wrote:Banning Hammer wrote: / Slow progression leads to some sense of grind." Ive been saying this for a while now, but this is here to stay for good I don't know why people are afraid of the grind. I see it all the time in other FPS games. CoD, Halo, etc. I see it all the time. Dust has the same grind anyways. I want to get SP at least 150% faster |
Tallen Ellecon
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
451
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Posted - 2013.08.09 17:24:00 -
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Tectonic Fusion wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:PonyClause Rex wrote:Banning Hammer wrote: / Slow progression leads to some sense of grind." Ive been saying this for a while now, but this is here to stay for good I don't know why people are afraid of the grind. I see it all the time in other FPS games. CoD, Halo, etc. I see it all the time. Dust has the same grind anyways. I want to get SP at least 150% faster
Do more faster with Aurum. |
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
7104
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Posted - 2013.08.09 17:25:00 -
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TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:
Thread Necro V get.
Banishment II got. |
DeadlyAztec11
Max-Pain-inc Dark Taboo
1813
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Posted - 2013.08.09 17:27:00 -
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Jin Robot wrote:Content and few maps, modes, vehicles, suits lead to average reviews. It will be a different game to review in a year. I bet people said that a year ago too. At least back then people could say, "well it's still in Beta".
What is the excuse now? |
Serimos Haeraven
Deep Space Republic Top Men.
374
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Posted - 2013.08.09 17:28:00 -
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PonyClause Rex wrote:The community doesn't care about those things they just want CCP to focus on there drop ships to be immune to ant air or there tanks to be immune to anti vehicle Okay now wait a minute. Ever since release and beta, CCP was souly focused on ground units, specifically Logi suits, and even when they weren't thinking about that, they were buffing LAVs, and your response is that it's because they are focusing on dropships to be immune to "anti-air"? CCP hasn't even begun to give dropships the buffs that they rightly deserve, because they have been put on the side for more than 6 months, and for someone like you to assume that dropships are going to be OP, now that they are considering fixing some of these horrible problems with dropships, is disgusting. You don't represent the good of our community, only the bad, whining, CCP-only-wants-to-make-other-players-better-than-me attitude. |
Planetside2PS4F2P
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2013.08.09 22:49:00 -
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I think the eve-dust link is a gimmick and does not give 90% of the population that sence of connection to anything.
Dull lobby shooter is not the direction dust was going 5 years ago when I watched the first trailers.
6/10 is a little high I would go 5.2/10 |
AlleyKatPr0
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
38
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Posted - 2013.08.10 11:29:00 -
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Planetside2PS4F2P wrote:I think the eve-dust link is a gimmick and does not give 90% of the population that sence of connection to anything.
Dull lobby shooter is not the direction dust was going 5 years ago when I watched the first trailers.
6/10 is a little high I would go 5.2/10
Even the forums are seperated...
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Planetside2PS4F2P
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
23
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Posted - 2013.08.11 17:27:00 -
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AlleyKatPr0 wrote:Planetside2PS4F2P wrote:I think the eve-dust link is a gimmick and does not give 90% of the population that sence of connection to anything.
Dull lobby shooter is not the direction dust was going 5 years ago when I watched the first trailers.
6/10 is a little high I would go 5.2/10 Even the forums are seperated... True and with no real voip with eve client, the connection will never flourish. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
3538
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Posted - 2013.08.11 17:30:00 -
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Every time someone necros a thread, a kitty is killed. Please think of the kitties. |
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