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Makyre Vahliha
GamersForChrist Orion Empire
203
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Posted - 2013.06.21 20:49:00 -
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In one of the matches, I was using an Adv. Scout with a Complex Light Damage Modifier, x3 Profile Dampeners, and an Ishukone Sniper Rifle. I was on the ground near a NULL Cannon and there was a group of snipers on a rooftop hundreds of miles high. Easy targets. I began to take them down one by one. They popped up again with a drop uplink on the rooftop and I took them out quickly. They refused to relocate and attempted to search for me. I sent bullets flying to them. They respawned again, cursing and yelling. Again, they refused to move and still tried to search for me in the same direction I was at. They couldn't see me. They tried to devise a new strategy by bunnyhopping and strafing left and right. Big mistake. This made them even more easy targets. I stilled my scope in only one direction and waited for them to get in my line of sight without moving the crosshair. Bang! They still couldn't see me. I felt invisible and invincible. It was power to me.
In another match, I was up against another sniper prophet. We were at polarized sides of the end of the map in the mountains. It was one of the most difficult, but most rewarding battle I have ever had. It was quite a challenge since we had to search for each other. Normally, you would point the scope and a person's name with the red arrow would immediately pop up. But pointing the scope while he has the dampeners is like trying to pinpoint a crosshair on a fly before its name comes up. For the length of the match, we took down targets in the center of the map while trying to keep tabs on each other. Watching a helpless opponent being sniped to death will enable me to find him just a little easier. Some of the ground troops even tried to switch to being snipers and were searching for us. They were taken out quickly. It was an adrenaline rush. Since we were able to mow down enemies in the center of the map without them coming after us proved that scouts are just as powerful as the other specialized roles.
Being hated is the means to be feared.
We are watching you. Beware. |
Stupid Blueberry
Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
16
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Posted - 2013.06.21 20:51:00 -
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I don't know, man. Passive scanning is pretty broken in it's current state, and I haven't seen anyone use the active scanner since day two of Uprising. |
Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
698
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Posted - 2013.06.21 20:53:00 -
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Beware thinking you are invisible.
A good sniper will be able to spot you most of the time whether or not you have a chevron over your head.
Other than that, nice post. I particularly enjoy sniping people off the taller buildings and watching them ragdoll all the way to the ground below. Even better when it messes up an expensive fit.
Just a hint to snipers -- you are a lot harder to spot if you aren't in one of the "usual" hiding places. Everyone knows where simple optimal placement is. |
Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe
Planetary Response Organisation
364
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Posted - 2013.06.21 20:57:00 -
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I use an active scanner on my dropship. I need it because I can't see through my dropship at what I'm shooting at unless the chevron is there.
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Makyre Vahliha
GamersForChrist Orion Empire
203
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Posted - 2013.06.22 17:45:00 -
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Crash Monster wrote: I particularly enjoy sniping people off the taller buildings and watching them ragdoll all the way to the ground below. Even better when it messes up an expensive fit.
Definitely, I love seeing them "ragdoll" off the roof as well, though that's rare for me! |
Kiro Justice
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
126
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Posted - 2013.06.22 17:57:00 -
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Crash Monster wrote:Beware thinking you are invisible.
A good sniper will be able to spot you most of the time whether or not you have a chevron over your head.
Other than that, nice post. I particularly enjoy sniping people off the taller buildings and watching them ragdoll all the way to the ground below. Even better when it messes up an expensive fit.
Just a hint to snipers -- you are a lot harder to spot if you aren't in one of the "usual" hiding places. Everyone knows where simple optimal placement is.
I always go to the very outskirts of the map, picking people off, giving my team a confidence boost and helping them press forward. It also does a lot for the KDR. |
A'Real Fury
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
207
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Posted - 2013.06.22 18:10:00 -
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I think your invisibility was more a result of the sniper rifle rather than the scout suit. You do not render at a distance. Even for an another sniper they need to bring you up on the scope for you to render.
Of course the dampeners probably did help with the whole name tag floating above your head thing.
However if you could try the same (module set up) with the other suits it would help in determining what impact the scout suit had on the results you have obtained. |
Shotty GoBang
Pro Hic Immortalis
90
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Posted - 2013.06.26 13:30:00 -
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Scoutly Brother!
Kudos on your bravery in sniping at ~250 HP. Your observations are certainly interesting, but I must object to your claims on the grounds of Man Math.
Not-Man Math: Your claim meets the standards of Not-Man Math ["Woman Math" has been deprecated due to complaints of sexism]: "It really feels like I'm doing good right now, therefore it must always be good."
Man Math: Your claim fails to meet the statistical standards of Man Math, as observations made over handful of matches constitute too small a sample to support claims of Invincibility and/or Invisibility. Should you find the pattern to hold after 100+ matches, then further analysis is warranted.
Addendum: I suspect you will find the described successes difficult to replicate, as the majority of Dust's snipers avoid the scout suit altogether. Being OHK'd by a militia-grade countersniper is likely too disheartening an experience.
Additional Consideration: Words like "Invincible" and "Invisible" 1) offer false confidence to newcomers and 2) draw the eyes and lobbying power of the AR-514 majority. Kindly consider using these words sparingly when describing the brutally handicapped Uprising scout suit.
- Shotty GoBang |
Daxxis KANNAH
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
109
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Posted - 2013.06.26 13:40:00 -
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Have to say - I wear a scout suit so snipers make easy lunch off of me but most of the time I get the indicator from where they are shooting when I die.
So my next clone hunts and makes quick work of them with my knives
Then its back to objectives |
Aeon Amadi
Unkn0wn Killers
1639
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Posted - 2013.06.26 13:47:00 -
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Scouts deserve to be invisible. CQC scouts need every buff they can get until Cloaking comes out.
I use the activescanner occasionally but its often usurped by Nanohives so I dont have to run back toa supply depot every five mags xD |
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Orenji Jiji
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
110
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Posted - 2013.06.26 13:50:00 -
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My Sever suit fitted with active scanner, and costing me 27k ISK to run, salutes (the kind of) you.
And by "salutes" I mean "teabags". Repeatedly.
Also being a ghost is fun, but as soon as you're spotted you die. Just respecced out of this BS. |
Konohamaru Sarutobi
Ahrendee Mercenaries Omega Commission
442
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Posted - 2013.06.26 14:24:00 -
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Makyre Vahliha wrote:In one of the matches, I was using an Adv. Scout with a Complex Light Damage Modifier, x3 Profile Dampeners, and an Ishukone Sniper Rifle. I was on the ground near a NULL Cannon and there was a group of snipers on a rooftop hundreds of miles high. Easy targets. I began to take them down one by one. They popped up again with a drop uplink on the rooftop and I took them out quickly. They refused to relocate and attempted to search for me. I sent bullets flying to them. They respawned again, cursing and yelling. Again, they refused to move and still tried to search for me in the same direction I was at. They couldn't see me. They tried to devise a new strategy by bunnyhopping and strafing left and right. Big mistake. This made them even more easy targets. I stilled my scope in only one direction and waited for them to get in my line of sight without moving the crosshair. Bang! They still couldn't see me. I felt invisible and invincible. It was power to me.
In another match, I was up against another sniper prophet. We were at polarized sides of the end of the map in the mountains. It was one of the most difficult, but most rewarding battle I have ever had. It was quite a challenge since we had to search for each other. Normally, you would point the scope and a person's name with the red arrow would immediately pop up. But pointing the scope while he has the dampeners is like trying to pinpoint a crosshair on a fly before its name comes up. For the length of the match, we took down targets in the center of the map while trying to keep tabs on each other. Watching a helpless opponent being sniped to death will enable me to find him just a little easier. Some of the ground troops even tried to switch to being snipers and were searching for us. They were taken out quickly. It was an adrenaline rush. Since we were able to mow down enemies in the center of the map without them coming after us proved that scouts are just as powerful as the other specialized roles.
Being hated is the means to be feared.
We are watching you. Beware.
This happen with LAVs/HAVs too so, you're not that powerfull, it's just the broken game that let vehicles to have better detection system than a person so you can't see them in the radar. |
Surt gods end
Demon Ronin
360
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Posted - 2013.06.26 14:31:00 -
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Becouse we are scouts, that women love us. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1773
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Posted - 2013.06.26 14:37:00 -
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Stupid Blueberry wrote:I don't know, man. Passive scanning is pretty broken in it's current state, and I haven't seen anyone use the active scanner since day two of Uprising. I still use active scanners, and find other scouts all the time |
Surt gods end
Demon Ronin
361
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Posted - 2013.06.26 14:50:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Stupid Blueberry wrote:I don't know, man. Passive scanning is pretty broken in it's current state, and I haven't seen anyone use the active scanner since day two of Uprising. I still use active scanners, and find other scouts all the time
If I could down like you, I would. good day to you sir!
*slams door* |
Niuvo
The Phoenix Federation
41
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Posted - 2013.06.26 15:17:00 -
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Makyre Vahliha wrote:Crash Monster wrote: I particularly enjoy sniping people off the taller buildings and watching them ragdoll all the way to the ground below. Even better when it messes up an expensive fit. Definitely, I love seeing them "ragdoll" off the roof as well, though that's rare for me! It's a delicacy watching a body drop down in front of your scope, rolling down a roof even better. I haven't sniped someone on a roof and him rolling down, not yet. I love all my sniper kills! All of them require skill. |
Shotty GoBang
Pro Hic Immortalis
92
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Posted - 2013.06.26 15:29:00 -
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Orenji Jiji wrote: Just respecced out of this BS.
Take note, Newcomers. The scout community loses yet another veteran. His sentiment resonates with those who remain.
CCP peddles false promise to the prospective scout with an enticing class description of "Stealth, Speed, Assassination." An honest description would read, "Handicap Mode - A substantially weaker and slightly faster version of the assault suit, intended for those seeking occasional thrill at the cost of constant frustration."
- Shotty GoBang |
Shotty GoBang
Pro Hic Immortalis
93
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Posted - 2013.06.26 15:54:00 -
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+1, as always Surt. The only benefit to being a brave scout. |
Ivan Avogadro
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
309
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Posted - 2013.06.26 16:01:00 -
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3 profile dampeners? You wasted those slots to go from completely invisible to completely absolutely ******* invisible!
take those goddamned things off, people's radars are blind as bats beyond 10m and your shotgun works at 8m (plus everything is getting a range boost in 1.2). Then do something useful with those lows: kinetic catalyzers.
Run like the wind, still be invisible. |
pegasis prime
The Shadow Cavalry Mercenaries DARKSTAR ARMY
330
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Posted - 2013.06.26 16:14:00 -
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Aghrrrrrrr aghrrrrt your not invisible all profile dampners do is lower your scan profile (the radar in the top left of tacnet) thats all they effect . You my good sir were taking advantage of the rendering glich that stops them from seeing you. |
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Pandora Mars
Afterlife Overseers
14
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Posted - 2013.06.26 19:16:00 -
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Makyre Vahliha wrote: I felt invisible and invincible.
lol really, it's not. Experienced snipers will spot you and one-shot you. Sniping is my main role in my team, I just know it. |
Doyle Reese
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
184
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Posted - 2013.06.26 19:20:00 -
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Kiro Justice wrote:Crash Monster wrote:Beware thinking you are invisible.
A good sniper will be able to spot you most of the time whether or not you have a chevron over your head.
Other than that, nice post. I particularly enjoy sniping people off the taller buildings and watching them ragdoll all the way to the ground below. Even better when it messes up an expensive fit.
Just a hint to snipers -- you are a lot harder to spot if you aren't in one of the "usual" hiding places. Everyone knows where simple optimal placement is. I always go to the very outskirts of the map, picking people off, giving my team a confidence boost and helping them press forward. It also does a lot for the KDR.
oh is THAT what you call redline sniping? :P |
Pandora Mars
Afterlife Overseers
14
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Posted - 2013.06.26 19:20:00 -
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Shotty GoBang wrote:Scoutly Brother, Makyre Vahliha!
Kudos on your bravery, sniping with a mere ~250 HP. Your observations are certainly interesting, but I must object to your claims of Scout Invincibility and Invisibility on the grounds of Man Math.
Not-Man Math [because "Woman Math" would be sexist]: "It feels like I'm doing good right now, therefore it must always be good." Your hypothesis meets this standard.
Man Math: An observation made over handful of matches constitutes too small a sample to support claims of Invincibility and/or Invisibility. Should you find the pattern to hold after 100+ matches, then your claim warrants further consideration. Until then, your hypothesis fails to meet Man Math standards.
Addendum: I suspect you will find the described successes difficult to replicate, as the majority of Dust's snipers avoid the scout suit altogether. An opposing sniper will eventually find you, and as Surt God would say, the women will mourn your passing.
A Humble Request: Words like "Invincible" and "Invisible" 1) offer false confidence to newcomers and 2) draw the eyes and lobbying power of the AR-514 majority. Kindly consider using these words sparingly when describing the brutally handicapped Uprising scout suit.
- Shotty GoBang
As a Scout sniper, I approve this post. |
Matticus Monk
Ordus Trismegistus
94
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Posted - 2013.06.26 19:29:00 -
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Good job for some good games and enjoying the sniper hunt... which, often times just like the CQC hunt, takes place completely away from, and unknown to, the majority of the Logi/Assault (LogiAss?) combatants.
However, yes, I have to agree with folks saying scouts are far from unseen and invincible. Those good games shine, but my experience is that they are the brief rewards in a life of pain, clone replication, and frustration....
The adrenaline is high when playing a scout, and the ISK flows through my hands like water.... but oh, the challenge!
Onward to glory!! |
The Robot Devil
BetaMax. CRONOS.
479
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Posted - 2013.06.26 19:37:00 -
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Stupid Blueberry wrote:I don't know, man. Passive scanning is pretty broken in it's current state, and I haven't seen anyone use the active scanner since day two of Uprising.
I used one a few times today and it does work. I like it on domination battles because I like to run with HMGs mercs and it gives them a peek around corners. |
Makyre Vahliha
GamersForChrist Orion Empire
210
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Posted - 2013.06.27 09:23:00 -
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Shotty GoBang wrote:Scoutly Brother, Makyre Vahliha!
Kudos on your bravery, sniping with a mere ~250 HP. Your observations are certainly interesting, but I must object to your claims of Scout Invincibility and Invisibility on the grounds of Man Math.
Not-Man Math [because "Woman Math" would be sexist]: "It feels like I'm doing good right now, therefore it must always be good." Your hypothesis meets this standard.
Man Math: An observation made over handful of matches constitutes too small a sample to support claims of Invincibility and/or Invisibility. Should you find the pattern to hold after 100+ matches, then your claim warrants further consideration. Until then, your hypothesis fails to meet Man Math standards.
Addendum: I suspect you will find the described successes difficult to replicate, as the majority of Dust's snipers avoid the scout suit altogether. An opposing sniper will eventually find you, and as Surt God would say, the women will mourn your passing.
A Humble Request: Words like "Invincible" and "Invisible" 1) offer false confidence to newcomers and 2) draw the eyes and lobbying power of the AR-514 majority. Kindly consider using these words sparingly when describing the brutally handicapped Uprising scout suit.
- Shotty GoBang
Note the subject line with the word practically in it, which defines almost and nearly. Also, notice I said I felt invisible and invincible. It is not definitive nor is it constant and does not make me a god. I don't know, but the way you wrote just cracked me up hard. I meant it in a good way. It was very funny! |
Makyre Vahliha
GamersForChrist Orion Empire
210
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Posted - 2013.06.27 09:37:00 -
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Orenji Jiji wrote:...being a ghost is fun, but as soon as you're spotted you die. Just respecced out of this BS.
It is fun being a ghost and yes, snipers are bound to be found when caught. But I believe that it is a fair balance because if snipers or scouts became literally impossible to find, then there is no point for anyone to continue playing. It would almost feel like being targeted by aimbots and I would understand that. I am not sure how cloaking would affect this in the future, but I imagine cloaking would make snipers much harder to find. I may be wrong.
But anyway, you shouldn't have respecced out of "ghosting," though. It takes practice and it's still fun. For me personally, when I'm caught by another sniper, it becomes an adrenaline rush to have a "sniper war" in searching and destroying each other from far away.
Perhaps the appropriate saying should be, "Invisible and invincible until caught." ;) |
Syther Shadows
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
177
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Posted - 2013.06.27 11:00:00 -
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I have a EHP of 600 on my std logi suit.
I spend most of my time running in chaotic directions and being unpredictable while i wait for my heavy partner to catch up even if you do get through my shield and my armour and get me down to 40 armour i will be back to full hp in about 60 seconds and by the time you land 2 shots on me ill be in cover reaping my heavy friend |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
267
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Posted - 2013.06.27 11:02:00 -
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Makyre Vahliha wrote:In one of the matches, I was using an Adv. Scout with a Complex Light Damage Modifier, x3 Profile Dampeners, and an Ishukone Sniper Rifle. I was on the ground near a NULL Cannon and there was a group of snipers on a rooftop hundreds of miles high. Easy targets. I began to take them down one by one. They popped up again with a drop uplink on the rooftop and I took them out quickly. They refused to relocate and attempted to search for me. I sent bullets flying to them. They respawned again, cursing and yelling. Again, they refused to move and still tried to search for me in the same direction I was at. They couldn't see me. They tried to devise a new strategy by bunnyhopping and strafing left and right. Big mistake. This made them even more easy targets. I stilled my scope in only one direction and waited for them to get in my line of sight without moving the crosshair. Bang! They still couldn't see me. I felt invisible and invincible. It was power to me.
In another match, I was up against another sniper prophet. We were at polarized sides of the end of the map in the mountains. It was one of the most difficult, but most rewarding battle I have ever had. It was quite a challenge since we had to search for each other. Normally, you would point the scope and a person's name with the red arrow would immediately pop up. But pointing the scope while he has the dampeners is like trying to pinpoint a crosshair on a fly before its name comes up. For the length of the match, we took down targets in the center of the map while trying to keep tabs on each other. Watching a helpless opponent being sniped to death will enable me to find him just a little easier. Some of the ground troops even tried to switch to being snipers and were searching for us. They were taken out quickly. It was an adrenaline rush. Since we were able to mow down enemies in the center of the map without them coming after us proved that scouts are just as powerful as the other specialized roles.
Being hated is the means to be feared.
We are watching you. Beware.
They are out there! |
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