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Draco Dustflier
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.06.21 08:38:00 -
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There were so many promises made about dust. We were promised thousands of maps. We were promised it would play as well as a AAA FPS. We were promised that every shot fired would affect eve in some way or another. We were promised deeper customization than any other FPS on the market. The list goes on and on.
Now, after 14 months of beta, a month after release, we have none of that. All we play are the same four modes on the same five maps. The core mechanics are so bad the game is unplayable to anyone who's played a decent shooter. Eve interaction is barely there, if at all. The customization amounts to nothing more than perk stacking. Almost every promise made back when the game was being hyped up in 2012 was broken.
I can't even imagine the frustration of the people who spent 30 hours a week grinding out sp like freaking robots just so they could be on the same level as everyone else when the game gets good, only to realize that it will only get worse (uprising proves that). They feel cheated by CCP. And some of them don't have much else to do, so they troll, and they'll continue to troll until another game with a similar idea shows up.
CCP, if you're reading this, the one thing you should take away from it is to not over promise. If you want to get us excited about something, make sure its something you can actually pull off in a reasonable time frame. Don't tell us what you have planned for 10 years down the road. |
Queen of Uranus
Dust 514 Forum Trolls
45
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Posted - 2013.06.21 08:39:00 -
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I troll cause well... I'm a troll. |
PonyClause Rex
TRAMADOL KNIGHTS
156
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Posted - 2013.06.21 08:43:00 -
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Draco Dustflier wrote: I can't even imagine the frustration of the people who spent 30 hours a week grinding out sp like freaking robots just so they could be on the same level as everyone else
I wonder if those people actually exsist i would like them to comment here
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Twisted202
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
99
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Posted - 2013.06.21 08:45:00 -
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I didn't spend any cash its all good.
But, for the ones that did spend a couple hundred on the game
You have my deepest condolences |
FakeMyDeath
Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance
5
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Posted - 2013.06.21 08:49:00 -
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Twisted202 wrote:I didn't spend any cash its all good.
But, for the ones that did spend a couple hundred on the game
You have my deepest condolences
yeah, i truly feel sorry for them also... |
Chibi Andy
Forsaken Immortals
247
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Posted - 2013.06.21 09:05:00 -
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i wish they'd given me some of their cash when they spent it on AUR stuff |
Ferren Devarri
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2013.06.21 09:08:00 -
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It's a Freemium. A halfassed game by design to feed off the 'give it a chance' crowd.
The minute someone says "free to play", it usually means a small, subpar game with a scam shop.
That's why it gets trolled so hard. You have a fully developed and committed PC-subscription base on the other side of the CCP wall that are going to be around for years taking pot shots at their [mentally deficient] cousin.
The trolling will continue until CCP decides to 'take it to Texas', or brings it up to speed to compete as a serious game. |
Duran Lex
Silver Talon Corporation
12
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Posted - 2013.06.21 11:50:00 -
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They also promised that these developments would happen over a 10 year plan.
It's only the 2nd year.
Developing as intended.
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Allah's Snackbar
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
242
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Posted - 2013.06.21 11:52:00 -
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Duran Lex wrote:They also promised that these developments would happen over a 10 year plan.
It's only the 2nd year.
Developing as intended.
So in eight years if might be a better game?
You fill me with great hope. |
Ferren Devarri
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2013.06.21 11:53:00 -
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Duran Lex wrote:They also promised that these developments would happen over a 10 year plan.
It's only the 2nd year.
Developing as intended.
They better wait quick. They haven't gotten it working for the PS3 yet and the PS4 is almost out.
We'll be on the PS7 or 8 or P-BOne or something before 10 years is up.
Furthermore, it's a bad sign when your 'development plan' sounds like it was passed by US congress. |
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A'Real Fury
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
201
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Posted - 2013.06.21 11:55:00 -
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Duran Lex wrote:They also promised that these developments would happen over a 10 year plan.
It's only the 2nd year.
Developing as intended.
I really hope that CCP didn't plan to be in this situation with its customer base at this point in time. |
JL3Eleven
PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies
499
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Posted - 2013.06.21 11:55:00 -
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Duran Lex wrote:They also promised that these developments would happen over a 10 year plan.
It's only the 2nd year.
Developing as intended.
It's been in development since 2009 at least. fact. |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2013.06.21 11:57:00 -
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Most of the stuff you talking about was announced to come with the Official Release, some of it was announced in the Uprising release notes, and then deleted few days before the build was release. People is annoyed for a GOOD reason . |
Ferren Devarri
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2013.06.21 11:59:00 -
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Game development on this started not long after they announced the "Walking in Stations" or "Ambulation' projects for EVE online when they started developing a full-body 3d rendering system, since they dual-jacked it for Dust and WiS before they apparently gave up and bought a certain engine because they couldn't do it themselves.
EVE players have pretty good memories, so it's safe to say that this game has been "in development" since nearly 2006. That's right around the time Hilmar started drinking his own liquid hype and started 'dreaming big of projects he can't complete'. Then he started dreaming big and began to believe he can complete at least one of those things. To date, no EVE player has ever seen outside of their station prisons.
7 years and counting, and this is what we get? I overestimate CCP yet again! |
Allah's Snackbar
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
244
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Posted - 2013.06.21 12:03:00 -
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Ferren Devarri wrote:Duran Lex wrote:They also promised that these developments would happen over a 10 year plan.
It's only the 2nd year.
Developing as intended.
They better wait quick. They haven't gotten it working for the PS3 yet and the PS4 is almost out. We'll be on the PS7 or 8 or P-BOne or something before 10 years is up. Furthermore, it's a bad sign when your 'development plan' sounds like it was passed by US congress. Agreed - or worse Soviet era central planning.
"In ten years we aim to have a competitive, high quality game for the PS3 ready for the market of 2013"
Yeah. Ace.
Some of you may be fully committed to Lysenkoism, but forgive us for being a bit more sceptical. |
Duran Lex
Silver Talon Corporation
12
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Posted - 2013.06.21 12:11:00 -
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JL3Eleven wrote:Duran Lex wrote:They also promised that these developments would happen over a 10 year plan.
It's only the 2nd year.
Developing as intended.
It's been in development since 2009 at least. fact.
It was originally being developed on the Carbon engine, of which they found out the ps3 couldn't handle it and had to recode all that work, and then continue to develop on a 10 year old engine of which they have never used before. fact. |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
416
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Posted - 2013.06.21 12:15:00 -
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Draco Dustflier wrote:There were so many promises made about dust. We were promised thousands of maps. We were promised it would play as well as a AAA FPS. We were promised that every shot fired would affect eve in some way or another. We were promised deeper customization than any other FPS on the market. The list goes on and on.
Now, after 14 months of beta, a month after release, we have none of that. All we play are the same four modes on the same five maps. The core mechanics are so bad the game is unplayable to anyone who's played a decent shooter. Eve interaction is barely there, if at all. The customization amounts to nothing more than perk stacking. Almost every promise made back when the game was being hyped up in 2012 was broken.
I can't even imagine the frustration of the people who spent 30 hours a week grinding out sp like freaking robots just so they could be on the same level as everyone else when the game gets good, only to realize that it will only get worse (uprising proves that). They feel cheated by CCP. And some of them don't have much else to do, so they troll, and they'll continue to troll until another game with a similar idea shows up.
CCP, if you're reading this, the one thing you should take away from it is to not over promise. If you want to get us excited about something, make sure its something you can actually pull off in a reasonable time frame. Don't tell us what you have planned for 10 years down the road.
Oh yeah, well cloaking device and deployable shield |
Reefersmokintaz
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
45
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Posted - 2013.06.21 12:31:00 -
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I know where everyone is coming from here and yes, I am appalled at CCP for their content releasing/bug fixes. Maybe it is the limitations of the PS3 for their current dreams and goals. CCP Shanghai has not been doing a too good of a job with Dust. Maybe it is time to hand the bulk of the project to Iceland where EVE is originated really. Maybe when PS4 comes out, CCP already have their Carbon engine running on it and they want to be hush-hush and surprise everyone when it comes closer to launch of the PS4 and a relaunch of Dust (lol)
All Speculation here but yes, Dust has got VERY boring and they NEED some new shinies that would try to draw some of the older crowd back in. As I said in many threads, I'm a fanboy. Do you give up on your favorite sports team for not delivering? They will get better in all hopes. I hope CCP Shanghai actually starts to listen to us! |
Ferren Devarri
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
14
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Posted - 2013.06.21 14:44:00 -
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Reefersmokintaz wrote:I know where everyone is coming from here and yes, I am appalled at CCP for their content releasing/bug fixes. Maybe it is the limitations of the PS3 for their current dreams and goals. CCP Shanghai has not been doing a too good of a job with Dust. Maybe it is time to hand the bulk of the project to Iceland where EVE is originated really. Maybe when PS4 comes out, CCP already have their Carbon engine running on it and they want to be hush-hush and surprise everyone when it comes closer to launch of the PS4 and a relaunch of Dust (lol)
All Speculation here but yes, Dust has got VERY boring and they NEED some new shinies that would try to draw some of the older crowd back in. As I said in many threads, I'm a fanboy. Do you give up on your favorite sports team for not delivering? They will get better in all hopes. I hope CCP Shanghai actually starts to listen to us!
I know what you mean. I root for CCP every time, then gladly roast them to a fine crisp on the forums as they continuously fall flat on their face every time. Played EVE for six years, then got too old and casual to keep up with 30M every time the pod popped 'cause there's no room for industrialists in nullsec.
So I kept an eye on Dust, gave'm a while to work out the kinks, and now I'm here, gladly reminding them of how much they suck and need to do better. They're *capable* of producing better, but I think the "6-day weekend followed by 1 day of hesitation" work ethic needs to stop. |
Surt gods end
Demon Ronin
329
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Posted - 2013.06.21 15:06:00 -
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A lot of people from what I notice seem to have this weird conclusion that if you make a decent MMO you can make a decent FPS.
having a strong engine means nothing. How many FPS games has had great engines and sucked. "But this is DUST, from EVE ONLINE!" EVE. A mmo. what's projects have ccp on their plate? another mmo.
FPS is not CCP strong point. Carbon engine be damned. It's a great engine, but It's not the most strongest engine out there. Nor the most versatile. Nor is it going to be a **** of a game better if it's still a **** of a game.
CCP needs to LISTEN to those fans that know FPS. to make an FPS game playable. EVE can and will be EVE with out dust.
Dust is just nothing without "eve". sad but true. |
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Abron Garr
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
521
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Posted - 2013.06.21 15:15:00 -
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Duran Lex wrote:They also promised that these developments would happen over a 10 year plan.
It's only the 2nd year.
Developing as intended.
hahahaha
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Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows
386
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Posted - 2013.06.21 15:33:00 -
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TBH, I wouldn't be surprised to find out that some of the trolls are cee cee pee alts looking to help bury discussion on what players may view as "broken" mechanics that they feel are "features working as intended".
IDK, I might just be paranoid.
probably not though. |
Ferren Devarri
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
17
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Posted - 2013.06.21 15:36:00 -
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Surt gods end wrote:A lot of people from what I notice seem to have this weird conclusion that if you make a decent MMO you can make a decent FPS.
having a strong engine means nothing. How many FPS games has had great engines and sucked. "But this is DUST, from EVE ONLINE!" EVE. A mmo. what's projects have ccp on their plate? another mmo.
FPS is not CCP strong point. Carbon engine be damned. It's a great engine, but It's not the most strongest engine out there. Nor the most versatile. Nor is it going to be a **** of a game better if it's still a **** of a game.
CCP needs to LISTEN to those fans that know FPS. to make an FPS game playable. EVE can and will be EVE with out dust.
Dust is just nothing without "eve". sad but true.
EVE is an asset as an IP, but they aren't leveraging it enough. There's a lot more lore going on that they can draw upon to make the game more of a persistant war effort and a little less like Planetside 2 without the factions.
They should elaborate more on the empire wars, and let the game itself drive a long-term narrative. Let mercs and merc corps generally and freely pick sides in ongoing conflicts to affect that greater narrative. Draw on Sansha's Nation and rogue drones as fuel for alternative combat modes where PvE comes as a match option, perhaps even randomly where both sides suddenly get their own maps facing off against a third party offensive. Use that MCC preload environment to use to create something more than a 'Gun Cafe'.]
That's with five minutes of thinking. If you can't implement that within a year, CCP shoudl probably fold up shop, because they can't HTFU and compete. |
Severance Pay
Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy
441
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Posted - 2013.06.21 15:42:00 -
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I troll cuz I want this game to do well, but there are a dozen bleeding orifices developing it. |
Dustin TheTrash
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.06.22 04:32:00 -
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I made a video expressing the OP's Concerns
Please leave comment if you agree.
Thanks |
mollerz
Minja Scouts
489
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Posted - 2013.06.22 04:35:00 -
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PS2 spam.
no thanks. |
Davey Newcome
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.06.23 00:03:00 -
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I never troll, just constructivly critisize |
Onesimus Tarsus
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
505
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Posted - 2013.06.23 00:25:00 -
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Duran Lex wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:Duran Lex wrote:They also promised that these developments would happen over a 10 year plan.
It's only the 2nd year.
Developing as intended.
It's been in development since 2009 at least. fact. It was originally being developed on the Carbon engine, of which they found out the ps3 couldn't handle it and had to recode all that work, and then continue to develop on a 10 year old engine of which they have never used before. fact.
Wow. So they are that bad at planning? They picked an engine incompatible with their target release console? Where do I send my money? |
hooc roht
Deep Space Republic
60
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Posted - 2013.06.23 01:39:00 -
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Quote:We were promised that every shot fired would affect eve in some way or another.
If i shoot an afker in the MCC does a bear hear it while crapping in the woods? |
Kane Fyea
DUST University Ivy League
420
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Posted - 2013.06.23 01:56:00 -
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Ferren Devarri wrote:Game development on this started not long after they announced the "Walking in Stations" or "Ambulation' projects for EVE online when they started developing a full-body 3d rendering system, since they dual-jacked it for Dust and WiS before they apparently gave up and bought a certain engine because they couldn't do it themselves.
EVE players have pretty good memories, so it's safe to say that this game has been "in development" since nearly 2006. That's right around the time Hilmar started drinking his own liquid hype and started 'dreaming big of projects he can't complete'. Then he started dreaming big and began to believe he can complete at least one of those things. To date, no EVE player has ever seen outside of their station prisons.
7 years and counting, and this is what we get? I overestimate CCP yet again! Actually CCP had to pretty much recreate the game on a new engine because it was too powerful for the ps3. That happened in 2011 I believe. |
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Kane Fyea
DUST University Ivy League
420
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Posted - 2013.06.23 02:01:00 -
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Onesimus Tarsus wrote:Duran Lex wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:Duran Lex wrote:They also promised that these developments would happen over a 10 year plan.
It's only the 2nd year.
Developing as intended.
It's been in development since 2009 at least. fact. It was originally being developed on the Carbon engine, of which they found out the ps3 couldn't handle it and had to recode all that work, and then continue to develop on a 10 year old engine of which they have never used before. fact. Wow. So they are that bad at planning? They picked an engine incompatible with their target release console? Where do I send my money? You are a true dumbass. The only way to see if something will work properly is to test it out. They tested and failed. I don't see a problem with this. |
Onesimus Tarsus
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
506
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Posted - 2013.06.23 02:05:00 -
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Kane Fyea wrote:Onesimus Tarsus wrote:Duran Lex wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:Duran Lex wrote:They also promised that these developments would happen over a 10 year plan.
It's only the 2nd year.
Developing as intended.
It's been in development since 2009 at least. fact. It was originally being developed on the Carbon engine, of which they found out the ps3 couldn't handle it and had to recode all that work, and then continue to develop on a 10 year old engine of which they have never used before. fact. Wow. So they are that bad at planning? They picked an engine incompatible with their target release console? Where do I send my money? You are a true dumbass. The only way to see if something will work properly is to test it out. They tested and failed. I don't see a problem with this.
So, they knew the other engine would work until it didn't, and then switched to an old engine that they didn't know wouldn't work to test a brand new and really old game for something that wouldn't run it? You're right, I do feel dumb. |
Kane Fyea
DUST University Ivy League
420
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Posted - 2013.06.23 02:07:00 -
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Onesimus Tarsus wrote:Kane Fyea wrote:Onesimus Tarsus wrote:Duran Lex wrote:It was originally being developed on the Carbon engine, of which they found out the ps3 couldn't handle it and had to recode all that work, and then continue to develop on a 10 year old engine of which they have never used before. fact. Wow. So they are that bad at planning? They picked an engine incompatible with their target release console? Where do I send my money? You are a true dumbass. The only way to see if something will work properly is to test it out. They tested and failed. I don't see a problem with this. So, they knew the other engine would work until it didn't, and then switched to an old engine that they didn't know wouldn't work to test a brand new and really old game for something that wouldn't run it? You're right, I do feel dumb. No they tested an engine that they thought would work but in the end didn't so they switched to an engine that was already known to run smoothly on consoles so yes you are a dumbass. |
Ferren Devarri
ARES.inc
33
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Posted - 2013.06.23 02:12:00 -
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hooc roht wrote:Quote:We were promised that every shot fired would affect eve in some way or another. If i shoot an afker in the MCC does a bear hear it while crapping in the woods?
Every time you shoot an AFK'er, god kills a carebear. Keep fighting the good fight! |
Onesimus Tarsus
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
506
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Posted - 2013.06.23 02:22:00 -
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Kane Fyea wrote:Onesimus Tarsus wrote:Kane Fyea wrote:Onesimus Tarsus wrote:Duran Lex wrote:It was originally being developed on the Carbon engine, of which they found out the ps3 couldn't handle it and had to recode all that work, and then continue to develop on a 10 year old engine of which they have never used before. fact. Wow. So they are that bad at planning? They picked an engine incompatible with their target release console? Where do I send my money? You are a true dumbass. The only way to see if something will work properly is to test it out. They tested and failed. I don't see a problem with this. So, they knew the other engine would work until it didn't, and then switched to an old engine that they didn't know wouldn't work to test a brand new and really old game for something that wouldn't run it? You're right, I do feel dumb. No they tested an engine that they thought would work but in the end didn't so they switched to an engine that was already known to run smoothly on consoles so yes you are a dumb.
So they just pushed it out of beta early twice? So far so good. |
Kane Fyea
DUST University Ivy League
420
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Posted - 2013.06.23 02:34:00 -
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Onesimus Tarsus wrote:Kane Fyea wrote:Onesimus Tarsus wrote:Kane Fyea wrote:Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Wow. So they are that bad at planning? They picked an engine incompatible with their target release console? Where do I send my money?
You are a true dumbass. The only way to see if something will work properly is to test it out. They tested and failed. I don't see a problem with this. So, they knew the other engine would work until it didn't, and then switched to an old engine that they didn't know wouldn't work to test a brand new and really old game for something that wouldn't run it? You're right, I do feel dumb. No they tested an engine that they thought would work but in the end didn't so they switched to an engine that was already known to run smoothly on consoles so yes you are a dumb. So they just pushed it out of beta early twice? So far so good. Nope only once. |
Syther Shadows
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
158
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Posted - 2013.06.23 02:46:00 -
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People still assuming they know how making a game works and still telling cpp they are doing a bad job
they clearly have 10 years in developing and improving a successful game |
Davey Newcome
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.06.23 05:49:00 -
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2 examples of what the OP is talking about
Issues Solutions
Thx |
Krixus Flux
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.06.23 05:59:00 -
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Sounds like a club of nagging housewives who reads Twilight novels... |
General Technique
Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic
59
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Posted - 2013.06.23 06:04:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:TBH, I wouldn't be surprised to find out that some of the trolls are cee cee pee alts looking to help bury discussion on what players may view as "broken" mechanics that they feel are "features working as intended".
IDK, I might just be paranoid.
probably not though.
After watching them belittle and troll players with their main accounts, I'd be surprised if a number of them weren't using alts to superTroll |
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Planetside2
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.06.23 18:38:00 -
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I know CCP has alts they create threads to cover the real concerns. They cant ban and delete all these treads. |
Kenny Robertson
Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.06.23 20:53:00 -
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Isnt trolling part of the meta game? Guess alot of trolls love to eat meta. |
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