pulled straight out of battle field 3

main problem



but keep trying, we need suggestions (even if those are from COMPLETELY DIFFERENT games)

This fix doesn't increase/decrease HP values of tanks, or increase/decrease damage from AV weapons.
What it does is add resistance numbers to different areas of the tank.
As I see it, currently AV is mindless, aim at tank, shoot, repeat until it dies.
In BF3, in order to be most effective you need to hit the back of the tank to deal maximum damage, or else it takes double or even triple the rockets to take one down.
Tankers know this, so they know to face the front of their tanks in the direction of AV.

I thought to maybe rip this idea right out of Battlefield 3 and put it into Dust.
Coupled with resistance modules, the front of tanks would be extremely hard to take out, while the back of the tanks would be easy, as if you stack resistances, it would be like what we have now.
This fixes:
AV being mindless
Tanks only option is to run away if AV hits them

Here are some numbers I thought of:
Front of the tank: 50% resistance
Sides of the tank: 25% resistance
Top of the tank: 0% resistance
Bottom of the tank: -50% resistance (Mines only)
Behind the tank: -25/-35% resistance (I don't have a good number yet. Using -50% seems a bit excessive, but -25% seems a bit low)

This would of course take testing to nail the right numbers, but the general idea IMHO would improve the current tank vs AV situation.

I would take this a step further and use world of tanks as an example. That game has a system called "angling" in it which basically means that incoming fire will do less damage if it hits the armor plates of the tank at an angle. This is scientifically true in real life, and I think it could give tanks a decent buff in game. Not that any of this will ever happen though..... For simplicitys sake I do agree with the OP as this would be a clever solution to one of the bigger balancing issues this game has.

This fix doesn't increase/decrease HP values of tanks, or increase/decrease damage from AV weapons.
What it does is add resistance numbers to different areas of the tank.
As I see it, currently AV is mindless, aim at tank, shoot, repeat until it dies.
In BF3, in order to be most effective you need to hit the back of the tank to deal maximum damage, or else it takes double or even triple the rockets to take one down.
Tankers know this, so they know to face the front of their tanks in the direction of AV.

I thought to maybe rip this idea right out of Battlefield 3 and put it into Dust.
Coupled with resistance modules, the front of tanks would be extremely hard to take out, while the back of the tanks would be easy, as if you stack resistances, it would be like what we have now.
This fixes:
AV being mindless
Tanks only option is to run away if AV hits them

Here are some numbers I thought of:
Front of the tank: 50% resistance
Sides of the tank: 25% resistance
Top of the tank: 0% resistance
Bottom of the tank: -50% resistance (Mines only)
Behind the tank: -25/-35% resistance (I don't have a good number yet. Using -50% seems a bit excessive, but -25% seems a bit low)

This would of course take testing to nail the right numbers, but the general idea IMHO would improve the current tank vs AV situation.

why doesn't anyone have a suggestion that would benefit tanks? all I see is how to make av deal more damage.

main problem



but keep trying, we need suggestions (even if those are from COMPLETELY DIFFERENT games)

to be fair, it would be difficult enough for any dev that it wouldn't be worth developing angling on armor. the extra amount of calculations needed would probably bring this game to its knees, anyhow.

HAV's has a 200% damage spot that you can hit with Forges and Rails, and well, anything but swarms.

This really doesn't make sense to me... We have spaceships capable of firing a doomsday device, interstellar space travel, railguns, but we forgot to increase the armor on the back of a tank...?

Its not about forgetting.
Its about that armor is very pricy and heavy.
Tanks are most likely to be hit from the front and the sides, so they put the most armor there.
The rest are only given small amounts of armor to keep the price down and speed up.

that was a joke. However, why do tanks need to nerfed to behin with? They're suppose to be terrifying, giving me something easy like just run behind it is kind of a joke. Fit a suit with speed and a swarm and say goodbye to tanks. They're already fairly pricey when fitted.

I rarely have problems taking down tanks. They're more of a annoyance than a problem. Maybe people just need to adapt instead of complain about imbalanced gameplay.

This fix doesn't increase/decrease HP values of tanks, or increase/decrease damage from AV weapons.
What it does is add resistance numbers to different areas of the tank.
As I see it, currently AV is mindless, aim at tank, shoot, repeat until it dies.
In BF3, in order to be most effective you need to hit the back of the tank to deal maximum damage, or else it takes double or even triple the rockets to take one down.
Tankers know this, so they know to face the front of their tanks in the direction of AV.

I thought to maybe rip this idea right out of Battlefield 3 and put it into Dust.
Coupled with resistance modules, the front of tanks would be extremely hard to take out, while the back of the tanks would be easy, as if you stack resistances, it would be like what we have now.
This fixes:
AV being mindless
Tanks only option is to run away if AV hits them

Here are some numbers I thought of:
Front of the tank: 50% resistance
Sides of the tank: 25% resistance
Top of the tank: 0% resistance
Bottom of the tank: -50% resistance (Mines only)
Behind the tank: -25/-35% resistance (I don't have a good number yet. Using -50% seems a bit excessive, but -25% seems a bit low)

This would of course take testing to nail the right numbers, but the general idea IMHO would improve the current tank vs AV situation.

I like it I like it a lot.

But then we would have to discuss the relationship between these passive resistances and the modules. I this 50% is to high for front res.

Perhaps increasing values throughout the levels of tank.

Mlt- 15%
Standard-20%
Enforcer-25%
Marauder-30-35%

With scaled resistances for side armours.

Even those damage resists make tanks to me seem a lot more frightening.

Where?

Centre, back. The reactor. If you get behind a HAV with a Forge roam around the back of the tank with the crosshair until you see 202% efficiency on the readout then get revving.