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DUST Fiend wrote:

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This isn't directed towards Marston, but looking back at this comment I wanted to go a little bit deeper into my opinion / experience with this. So, if it gets a bit ugly, which I hope it won't, I just wanted to have that be known Roll

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DUST 514 is currently an MOFPS

It is not an MMOFPS, an MMORPGFPS, or even, as some like myself have jested; an FPSRPG (lol FF514)

It is a Multiplayer Online First Person Shooter. In theory, and in practice, through slight growing connections such as Planetary Conquest and Corporations, one might argue that DUST 514 deserves to be called Massive. As it stands, unless you're waving an imaginary dream wand in front of your face, DUST 514 currently lacks anything that indicates a Massive, persistent, breathing; meaningful and tasteful environment, both economically and physically.

I'm not going to sit here and ask you where all the things I want are. I'm actually not just a whiny ***** as some likely believe. I like to kick up the dirt when I'm aggravated, but I always attempt to do so in a constructive and relevant way. I understand that reality =/= vision, and when **** hits the fan, and you're controlling a company and working with so many people and doing so many things, that only so much can be done; especially within the confines of what Sony allows.

With that said. It is hard for us to put faith in your vision anymore, when going from 8 v 8 to 16 v 16 in a corp match was something cool. It is hard for us to put our faith in your vision, when the choices that you make effect little more than numbers on a sheet; and resound little further than the timid pops of "futuristic" weapons fire. It is hard for us to put our faith in you, that when performance issues are taking a long time to actually become considered polished, I should be concerned that if I'm short on time or skill; you know, maybe I should purchase some Aurum today.

In short, I know that "EVEntually" we will get to that beautiful pie in the sky that you're all working ever so diligently on creating. However, in the here and now, the fact that the most meaningful choice I can make is directly proportional to how much I will enjoy my style of play and the future of my "competitive" "career" for many many months to come....yea, it honestly doesn't set well with me anymore. The EVE mentality does not always translate into the FPS reality, not completely. To avoid what is already a massive wall of text, I'll end on that note, and comment if this doesn't get trolled into the dusty pits of General.

Darken-Sol wrote:

the only thing massive is the SP costs for everything.

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DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3922	Posted - 2013.06.21 04:34:00 - [1] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Marston VC wrote: Rather then feeling locked down why don't you play and side spec into something, thus opening up more avenues for you to play down? I mean.... did you feel locked down in militia/STD gear when you had zero SP??? Maybe..... But you didn't say "** it ill go play another game" you said "ok ill work hard for the next week or two to unlock the stuff I want to play with"..... so why cant you do that again??? ive been doing since last July and I cant say im as uncaring as you seem to be right now..... If I started this game today, I actually would say it and just go play something else. I stuck it out because I'm a closed Beta vet. Why would I side spec? I can't afford boosters, I have to be stingy as with every SP I get unless I want to not be competitive. Of course you can kill proto's in militia gear. Try that against a full squad of communicating proto's There's a reason that serious corps won't allow you in PC without a fully fleshed out and focused build. Game is boring. Period. There is virtually no persistence or meaning, specifically to the individual. We have to grasp at "metagame" in order to justify to ourselves that our decisions have any meaning outside of directly effecting how much we like or hate this game ---------- DISCLAIMER ------------ This isn't directed towards Marston, but looking back at this comment I wanted to go a little bit deeper into my opinion / experience with this. So, if it gets a bit ugly, which I hope it won't, I just wanted to have that be known --------- / DISCLAIMER ----------- DUST 514 is currently an MOFPS It is not an MMOFPS, an MMORPGFPS, or even, as some like myself have jested; an FPSRPG (lol FF514) It is a Multiplayer Online First Person Shooter. In theory, and in practice, through slight growing connections such as Planetary Conquest and Corporations, one might argue that DUST 514 deserves to be called Massive. As it stands, unless you're waving an imaginary dream wand in front of your face, DUST 514 currently lacks anything that indicates a Massive, persistent, breathing; meaningful and tasteful environment, both economically and physically. I'm not going to sit here and ask you where all the things I want are. I'm actually not just a whiny * as some likely believe. I like to kick up the dirt when I'm aggravated, but I always attempt to do so in a constructive and relevant way. I understand that reality =/= vision, and when ** hits the fan, and you're controlling a company and working with so many people and doing so many things, that only so much can be done; especially within the confines of what Sony allows. With that said. It is hard for us to put faith in your vision anymore, when going from 8 v 8 to 16 v 16 in a corp match was something cool. It is hard for us to put our faith in your vision, when the choices that you make effect little more than numbers on a sheet; and resound little further than the timid pops of "futuristic" weapons fire. It is hard for us to put our faith in you, that when performance issues are taking a long time to actually become considered polished, I should be concerned that if I'm short on time or skill; you know, maybe I should purchase some Aurum today. In short, I know that "EVEntually" we will get to that beautiful pie in the sky that you're all working ever so diligently on creating. However, in the here and now, the fact that the most meaningful choice I can make is directly proportional to how much I will enjoy my style of play and the future of my "competitive" "career" for many many months to come....yea, it honestly doesn't set well with me anymore. The EVE mentality does not always translate into the FPS reality, not completely. To avoid what is already a massive wall of text, I'll end on that note, and comment if this doesn't get trolled into the dusty pits of General.
Aoena Rays Bragian Order Amarr Empire 222	Posted - 2013.06.21 04:41:00 - [2] - Quote So you created a new thread where you quote yourself from another thread to emphasize the rant? Congratulations!
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES Eternal Syndicate 327	Posted - 2013.06.21 04:49:00 - [3] - Quote the only thing massive is the SP costs for everything.
Syther Shadows The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 146	Posted - 2013.06.21 05:00:00 - [4] - Quote idk ive seen games with only 73 people on it being called MMO's
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3925	Posted - 2013.06.21 05:02:00 - [5] - Quote Syther Shadows wrote: idk ive seen games with only 73 people on it being called MMO's That is epic >_< It's honestly semantics, and yes we do have a good number of people on the servers, I'm really just talking about what's actually in front of us; here and now. And now my curiosity is peeked....which games? O.o
Kitten Empress Ametat Security Amarr Empire 741	Posted - 2013.06.21 05:11:00 - [6] - Quote Darken-Sol wrote: the only thing massive is the SP costs for everything. New Dust 514 tagline! ------------------------------DUST514--------------------------------- The only thing massive is the SP costs for everything Someone with photoshop skills, make it happen! :D
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES Eternal Syndicate 329	Posted - 2013.06.21 05:11:00 - [7] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Syther Shadows wrote: idk ive seen games with only 73 people on it being called MMO's That is epic >_< It's honestly semantics, and yes we do have a good number of people on the servers, I'm really just talking about what's actually in front of us; here and now. And now my curiosity is peeked....which games? O.o hey farmville is MMO
Syther Shadows The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 146	Posted - 2013.06.21 05:11:00 - [8] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Syther Shadows wrote: idk ive seen games with only 73 people on it being called MMO's That is epic >_< It's honestly semantics, and yes we do have a good number of people on the servers, I'm really just talking about what's actually in front of us; here and now. And now my curiosity is peeked....which games? O.o this was a long time ago i just had a look and can't find it =/ but i can explain it the game was turn based kinda ~ you move the enemy monster moves you move 3 times the enemy monster move three times but he moves slower than you and you move as fast as your hands can take you you go exploring and gathering based on your skills and you can reset your hero whenever you want by drinking from a well of water that makes you forget you had to eat food (so you where limited to how long you could adventure) it was a isometrically open world game (you could learn to pick pocket npc's as a quest) they even had a small kinda farm vile type gameplay where you took charge of a mine made buildings and made soldiers attacked other peoples mines and the player with the most points at the end received all the gold he had mined in the mini game to his player (each event lasted 1 week i believe) it had cursed items magic whips swords spells ~ ye.... it was fun i the name was something like eternal end - never ending - endless eternal ~ something to do with no end
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 338	Posted - 2013.06.21 05:16:00 - [9] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: ---------- DISCLAIMER ------------ This isn't directed towards Marston, but looking back at this comment I wanted to go a little bit deeper into my opinion / experience with this. So, if it gets a bit ugly, which I hope it won't, I just wanted to have that be known --------- / DISCLAIMER ----------- DUST 514 is currently an MOFPS It is not an MMOFPS, an MMORPGFPS, or even, as some like myself have jested; an FPSRPG (lol FF514) It is a Multiplayer Online First Person Shooter. In theory, and in practice, through slight growing connections such as Planetary Conquest and Corporations, one might argue that DUST 514 deserves to be called Massive. As it stands, unless you're waving an imaginary dream wand in front of your face, DUST 514 currently lacks anything that indicates a Massive, persistent, breathing; meaningful and tasteful environment, both economically and physically. I'm not going to sit here and ask you where all the things I want are. I'm actually not just a whiny *** as some likely believe. I like to kick up the dirt when I'm aggravated, but I always attempt to do so in a constructive and relevant way. I understand that reality =/= vision, and when hits the fan, and you're controlling a company and working with so many people and doing so many things, that only so much can be done; especially within the confines of what Sony allows. With that said. It is hard for us to put faith in your vision anymore, when going from 8 v 8 to 16 v 16 in a corp match was something cool. It is hard for us to put our faith in your vision, when the choices that you make effect little more than numbers on a sheet; and resound little further than the timid pops of "futuristic" weapons fire. It is hard for us to put our faith in you, that when performance issues are taking a long time to actually become considered polished, I should be concerned that if I'm short on time or skill; you know, maybe I should purchase some Aurum today. In short, I know that "EVEntually" we will get to that beautiful pie in the sky that you're all working ever so diligently on creating. However, in the here and now, the fact that the most meaningful choice I can make is directly proportional to how much I will enjoy my style of play and the future of my "competitive" "career" for many many months to come....yea, it honestly doesn't set well with me anymore. The EVE mentality does not always translate into the FPS reality, not completely. To avoid what is already a massive wall of text, I'll end on that note, and comment if this doesn't get trolled into the dusty pits of General. Darken-Sol wrote:** the only thing massive is the SP costs for everything. Time is all I an say man. I understand the general..... disappointment? You might have at the moment? Or maybe..... lack of hype? The game just isn't complete enough for it to be fun 100% of the time. Personally I still enjoy it. Though I admit that I play it much less then I used to. CCP has a vision and I have faith that they intend to fulfill that vision. All they need is time to complete it, and yes.... ive been playing this game since last july so I know just as well as you do that the waiting might take a while longer. But that's fine because I want them to take there time with this anyway. I'd rather the next major update come out in 5 months instead of this month so long as they ensured that what they were bringing would be huge and game changing. But yeah..... there is something that's left to be desired. Nevertheless! Im still positive that once they introduce the rest of New eden into PC (and switch the skirmish back to skirmish 1.0..... I MEAN SERIOUSLY why do I as a defender have to retake all the facilities im supposed to be protecting??? that's the most boneheaded concept ever, but that's for another forum post), AND add an Industry side to the game along with a PVE aspect (not to mention a player run market after all that), and gladiator matches ect ect..... the game will be VERY fun. So what ive heard is that PVE is coming next major build (several months from now), and somewhere in between will hopefully get isk transactions and (if were super lucky) player to player item trading. Once player to player trading is established alongside isk transfers the beginnings of a player run market will start to take shape via Massive chat channels that im sure people will make...... (which is a huge step forward if you want to work on the isk management side of dust). Once PVE comes out pub matches can kiss my ass goodbye. Because I mean..... lets be honest 70% of the rage I get from this game is caused in pub matches with all the stupid sh*t people do in them (MCC snipers, Core flaylock spam, LAV spam ect......) So once im able to take a squad of me and my buddies into a PVE match were we can just relax and have fun..... god I cant wait for it. Then finally..... Dust indy development..... nowhere in sight but im hoping it will be here sometime within the next year with a full blown player market within two years. Sure it doesn't sound great..... getting fed bits and pieces of a cookie over time, but hey! that's how it is. Lol could you imagine waiting four more years to play a game like this? (only fully made with everything in CCP's vision) im glad CCP is getting all the QQ over with now so that the future might be a bit more promising.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3931	Posted - 2013.06.21 13:02:00 - [10] - Quote Marston VC wrote: So once im able to take a squad of me and my buddies into a PVE match were we can just relax and have fun..... god I cant wait for it. To be fair, those would be puny little high sec drones; not good loot. What I see, personally, is having the entire district map opened up in low sec and beyond. Drone infestations happen, which can be scanned down by a friendly EVE pilot. Once the cluster is identified, the EVE pilot can then transmit the coordinates to all friendly dusties in the system (not just the planet). Those in the system receive a notification, those on the planet receive a notification and an objective marker. These clusters have TONS of loot, and good ones at that. Mostly industry loot that is sold back to EVE pilots, but also plenty of weapons modifications pieces, as well as things for dust engineers to reverse engineer and turn into stronger pieces of equipment. What this would do is create fierce competition for resources, in an open ended PvPvE environment. As far as I'm concerned, that's where the real hardcore players will be found. Noobs would CONSTANTLY get ambushed, being scanned down by scout LAVs with a targeted long range scanner on its turret slot. Covert dropships would quietly float in as snipers confirmed no detection drones in the area. As the noobs engaged hostile drones, a full squad of proto bunnies would leap out, attacking them just enough to distract them, laughing hysterically as they get slaughtered by a wave of tiny drones. One day I think I'm just aggravated by how long it's taking just to get polished mechanics up and running, along with the constant AUR adds (par the course for f2p I know, and not nearly as bad as others) and the pretty failed attempt at vehicle vs AV balance over my time being here. ::shrugs::

Duran Lex Silver Talon Corporation 15	Posted - 2013.06.21 13:05:00 - [11] - Quote Was no TL;DR so i didn't read your post. But i've read others of yours and will assume this is just another whiney thread about how Dust 514 isn't an MMO, blah blah. Use that effort to find a better hobby.
Syther Shadows The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 152	Posted - 2013.06.22 01:13:00 - [12] - Quote Duran Lex wrote: Was no TL;DR so i didn't read your post. But i've read others of yours and will assume this is just another whiney thread about how Dust 514 isn't an MMO, blah blah. Use that effort to find a better hobby. Fgt.
Greg FREESEr Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.06.23 00:19:00 - [13] - Quote Yeah the mmofps is just for marketing. Only 1% actually play this mmo part of mmofps.
mollerz Minja Scouts 501	Posted - 2013.06.23 03:44:00 - [14] - Quote no wait.. yea
Bobby Alikar Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.06.23 20:44:00 - [15] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: GM Hercules wrote: All users are encouraged to honestly express their feelings regarding DUST 514 and how it can be improved. Source DUST 514 is currently an MOFPS It is not an MMOFPS, an MMORPGFPS, or even, as some like myself have jested; an FPSRPG (lol FF514) It is a Multiplayer Online First Person Shooter. In theory, and in practice, through slight growing connections such as Planetary Conquest and Corporations, one might argue that DUST 514 deserves to be called Massive. As it stands, unless you're waving an imaginary dream wand in front of your face, DUST 514 currently lacks anything that indicates a Massive, persistent, breathing; meaningful and tasteful environment, both economically and physically. I'm not going to sit here and ask you where all the things I want are. I'm actually not just a whiny *** as some likely believe. I like to kick up the dirt when I'm aggravated, but I always attempt to do so in a constructive and relevant way. I understand that reality =/= vision, and when hits the fan, and you're controlling a company and working with so many people and doing so many things, that only so much can be done; especially within the confines of what Sony allows. With that said. It is hard for us to put faith in your vision anymore, when going from 8 v 8 to 16 v 16 in a corp match was something cool. It is hard for us to put our faith in your vision, when the choices that you make effect little more than numbers on a sheet; and resound little further than the timid pops of "futuristic" weapons fire. It is hard for us to put our faith in you, that when performance issues are taking a long time to actually become considered polished, I should be concerned that if I'm short on time or skill; you know, maybe I should purchase some Aurum today. In short, I know that "EVEntually" we will get to that beautiful pie in the sky that you're all working ever so diligently on creating. However, in the here and now, the fact that the most meaningful choice I can make is directly proportional to how much I will enjoy my style of play and the future of my "competitive" "career" for many many months to come....yea, it honestly doesn't set well with me anymore. The EVE mentality does not always translate into the FPS reality, not completely. To avoid what is already a massive wall of text, I'll end on that note, and comment if this doesn't get trolled into the dusty pits of General. Darken-Sol wrote:** the only thing massive is the SP cost for everything. Great points, too many threads with no actual feedback constructive to the topic. Also waaaaay to many threads/post are being deleted daily, because gm this or gm that thinks they are trolling. Censirship rights are lost online when a chosen few control the masses.


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