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Void Echo Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 246	Posted - 2013.06.21 02:08:00 - [1] - Quote I should have called for AV and Vehicles to come together to stand against assaulters... perhaps that wouldv been better..
Void Echo Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 248	Posted - 2013.06.21 02:18:00 - [2] - Quote Anmol Singh wrote: Taurion Bruni wrote: vehicles should not go down without a team effort. two or three cordinated specialists should be required to destroy a tank, or any non-personal vehicle (LAV's, you need to go down for once) this game is created as a team game, but right now, it caters to the solo players who think anything they cant kill is op get the fk off the this thread, your skills and intelligence in this game is invalid, i bet your one of those nubs that believes that a gunnlogi is 10x better than a sica... but gunnlogis are better than sicas, there a higher tier tank. but the enforcers are ****.
Void Echo Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 248	Posted - 2013.06.21 02:19:00 - [3] - Quote Kane Fyea wrote: Taurion Bruni wrote: vehicles should not go down without a team effort. two or three cordinated specialists should be required to destroy a tank, or any non-personal vehicle (LAV's, you need to go down for once) this game is created as a team game, but right now, it caters to the solo players who think anything they cant kill is op That makes it so any tank driver can pubstomp by themselves. Also taking 2-3 people out of a battle to deal with a tank that's just fucking stupid. Tanks do need a buff but I should at least have a chance at killing you with my proto AV (Proficiency at lvl 3 here + 3 dmg mods) it should take a minimum of 2 av guys to kill a tank except for when is proto vs standard or militia, then the prototype should win.
Void Echo Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 248	Posted - 2013.06.21 02:22:00 - [4] - Quote Another Heavy SOB wrote: Taurion Bruni wrote: vehicles should not go down without a team effort. two or three cordinated specialists should be required to destroy a tank, or any non-personal vehicle (LAV's, you need to go down for once) this game is created as a team game, but right now, it caters to the solo players who think anything they cant kill is op But you just want to drive your tank solo and kill everything.....See the problem here? yeah the problem is you think a dropsuit should equal a 40 ton machine. but in seriousness, solo drivers can be deadly if we know what were doing, if we have randoms in our small turrets, that basically still counts as 1 pilot and empty turrets, but if there are liable people in the small turrets then things go a different story.
Void Echo Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 248	Posted - 2013.06.21 02:23:00 - [5] - Quote Anmol Singh wrote: Void Echo wrote: Kane Fyea wrote: Taurion Bruni wrote: vehicles should not go down without a team effort. two or three cordinated specialists should be required to destroy a tank, or any non-personal vehicle (LAV's, you need to go down for once) this game is created as a team game, but right now, it caters to the solo players who think anything they cant kill is op That makes it so any tank driver can pubstomp by themselves. Also taking 2-3 people out of a battle to deal with a tank that's just fucking stupid. Tanks do need a buff but I should at least have a chance at killing you with my proto AV (Proficiency at lvl 3 here + 3 dmg mods) it should take a minimum of 2 av guys to kill a tank except for when is proto vs standard or militia, then the prototype should win. STD tanks are the the best tanks in the game.... the enforcer can go suck a big one cuz it sucks... STD tank requires 3-4x the sp than it does to get into proto av, the way to fix this is make sp requirements for av increase and also the price so their is a risk to going up against a tank... the infantry wont go for this therefore wont be implemented into the game, but anything that nerfs tanks will be instantly supported by infantry therefore gets implemented.
Void Echo Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 248	Posted - 2013.06.21 02:25:00 - [6] - Quote Anmol Singh wrote: Void Echo wrote: Another Heavy SOB wrote: Taurion Bruni wrote: vehicles should not go down without a team effort. two or three cordinated specialists should be required to destroy a tank, or any non-personal vehicle (LAV's, you need to go down for once) this game is created as a team game, but right now, it caters to the solo players who think anything they cant kill is op But you just want to drive your tank solo and kill everything.....See the problem here? yeah the problem is you think a dropsuit should equal a 40 ton machine. but in seriousness, solo drivers can be deadly if we know what were doing, if we have randoms in our small turrets, that basically still counts as 1 pilot and empty turrets, but if there are liable people in the small turrets then things go a different story. true squad mates save me quite a few times, they are good spotters... so you agree that random blues in the 2 small turrets are useless?
Void Echo Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 248	Posted - 2013.06.21 02:27:00 - [7] - Quote Kane Fyea wrote: Anmol Singh wrote: Void Echo wrote: Kane Fyea wrote: Taurion Bruni wrote: vehicles should not go down without a team effort. two or three cordinated specialists should be required to destroy a tank, or any non-personal vehicle (LAV's, you need to go down for once) this game is created as a team game, but right now, it caters to the solo players who think anything they cant kill is op That makes it so any tank driver can pubstomp by themselves. Also taking 2-3 people out of a battle to deal with a tank that's just fucking stupid. Tanks do need a buff but I should at least have a chance at killing you with my proto AV (Proficiency at lvl 3 here + 3 dmg mods) it should take a minimum of 2 av guys to kill a tank except for when is proto vs standard or militia, then the prototype should win. STD tanks are the the best tanks in the game.... the enforcer can go suck a big one cuz it sucks... STD tank requires 3-4x the sp than it does to get into proto av, the way to fix this is make sp requirements for av increase and also the price so their is a risk to going up against a tank... Enforcers are standard tanks. Militia HAVs Vayu & Falchion Standard HAVs Sica & Soma Advanced HAVs Gunnlogi & Madrugar
Void Echo Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 248	Posted - 2013.06.21 02:29:00 - [8] - Quote Anmol Singh wrote: then why do they show up a pro when i point to them or do you mean by statistics as in ehp and repping speed.. I base my argument on the fact that they cost twice as much as real tanks (Gunnlogo, madrugar) yet have nearly the same stats as the militia tanks maybe even a little less than militia tanks, therefore they are just expensive militia tanks.
Void Echo Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 248	Posted - 2013.06.21 02:35:00 - [9] - Quote Anmol Singh wrote: Void Echo wrote: Anmol Singh wrote: then why do they show up a pro when i point to them or do you mean by statistics as in ehp and repping speed.. I base my argument on the fact that they cost twice as much as real tanks (Gunnlogo, madrugar) yet have nearly the same stats as the militia tanks maybe even a little less than militia tanks, therefore they are just expensive militia tanks. ... maybe, their not that bad tbh Iv rarely seen any enforcers being brought out, but when I see them they lasted up to 10 seconds against me only because of the delay between each rail shot
Void Echo Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 249	Posted - 2013.06.21 02:48:00 - [10] - Quote Poplo Furuya wrote: Void Echo wrote: Another Heavy SOB wrote: Taurion Bruni wrote: vehicles should not go down without a team effort. two or three cordinated specialists should be required to destroy a tank, or any non-personal vehicle (LAV's, you need to go down for once) this game is created as a team game, but right now, it caters to the solo players who think anything they cant kill is op But you just want to drive your tank solo and kill everything.....See the problem here? yeah the problem is you think a dropsuit should equal a 40 ton machine. but in seriousness, solo drivers can be deadly if we know what were doing, if we have randoms in our small turrets, that basically still counts as 1 pilot and empty turrets, but if there are liable people in the small turrets then things go a different story. Alright. OK. Fixed number games, 16 v 16. On the theoretical level a person in a tank should be more than the measure of two people not in one. This is because the tank is a 40 ton machine so it's alright. Let's say there is some other theoretical entity manned by one person. We'll call it a ROU. It is more than the measure of two people in tanks. This is because it's an 80 ton machine so it's alright. Does this now seem an unsatisfactory answer? This is about balance on a theoretical level before you chime in on the sad place of HAVs in current Dust. It's something that needs to be thought about if you want to seriously pursue balance. and you automatically crying "NERF NERF" wont fix anything either.

Void Echo Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 249	Posted - 2013.06.21 02:55:00 - [11] - Quote tell me something, do you ever see any to opposing class types talking rationally and coming up with a peaceful decision on the forums?
Void Echo Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 249	Posted - 2013.06.21 03:20:00 - [12] - Quote Kane Fyea wrote: Void Echo wrote: tell me something, do you ever see any to opposing class types talking rationally and coming up with a peaceful decision on the forums? Let's do something new for a change then. that's what I tried to do with the thread where I called av and vehicles together but failed
Void Echo Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 249	Posted - 2013.06.21 03:50:00 - [13] - Quote Kane Fyea wrote: Void Echo wrote: Kane Fyea wrote: Void Echo wrote: tell me something, do you ever see any to opposing class types talking rationally and coming up with a peaceful decision on the forums? Let's do something new for a change then. that's what I tried to do with the thread where I called av and vehicles together but failed Well I'm fine with tanks receiving a buff although I do not think that it should take 2-3 fully dedicated AV guys (Which would be nearly impossible to get even 2 fully dedicated AV guys in a pub match) to take on one tank .(We would have to change the name of the game to Tank514 then) Now I think CCP should introduce the adv and proto HAVs plus a slight buff to the standard ones. How about we start here lol. no, they need to just give is advanced and prototype tanks, that's when the balancing should occur between the 2 classes. 2 av should be the minimum, the fact that 1 av can solo any tank is ridiculous.

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