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Django Quik
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Posted - 2013.06.20 21:56:00 -
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There's been talk in the past of people wanting different ammo types, especially for weapons like mass drivers. I think there should be a similar thing for swarm launchers to be able to take on shield tanks. Obviously this would need to be balanced effectively, maybe the armor damage is zero like flux grenades or just vastly reduced like explosive damage is against shields.
However, instead of making it different ammo types for the same launchers, make it an entirely new weapon. Much like the scrambler rifle is the anti shield assault rifle, this could be like an amarr version of the swarm launcher (btw what race do swarms belong to?). I guess all weapons should have these different (racial?) versions, so anti-shield shotguns, EMP flay locks, etc. |
pegasis prime
The Shadow Cavalry Mercenaries
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.06.20 22:57:00 -
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Come on django you know there is more wepons geard to taki g down shield tanks than armoir tanks so no to the flux swarms please. You should try the plasma cannon I nearly got wreacked by one erlyer today. Its a good wepon in combo with a swarmer . Although I do like the diff ammo types idea but dread all the flux wepons in the pipeline. |
Meeko Fent
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.06.20 23:01:00 -
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Swarms are a Caldari weapon, and this sounds pretty good, so...
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ladwar
Dead Six Initiative
Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2013.06.20 23:17:00 -
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naw fix shield HAVs first before you bring in new weapons for them, personally I think the swarm launcher should not be homing and go back to dumbfire or a better damage scaling(buffing standard and nerfing proto some) for more so it doesn't fall outside the realm of tiers as badly and not huge sweeping changes either!!! |
Spademan
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.06.20 23:29:00 -
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I think the the Amarr Av weapon should be some sort of large pulse laser (scrambler rifle is an example of a pulse laser)
A scrambler cannon, if you will. |
Den-tredje Baron
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
127
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Posted - 2013.06.20 23:35:00 -
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I say no to flux swarm. The main shield AV weapon is the plasma cannon. What do need though would be flux proxy mines mainly to take out those stupid shield LLAVs. |
IamI3rian
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.06.20 23:45:00 -
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Fluxlock Pistol.
That is all. |
DeadlyAztec11
Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
535
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Posted - 2013.06.21 00:06:00 -
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No. The forge gun already does more damage to shields. |
Meeko Fent
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
82
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Posted - 2013.06.21 01:12:00 -
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Den-tredje Baron wrote:I say no to flux swarm. The main shield AV weapon is the plasma cannon. What do need though would be flux proxy mines mainly to take out those stupid shield LLAVs.
Have you ever tried to shoot a Stationary HAV with a Plasma Cannon?
Its Nigh Impossible.
I've Only ever Managed to Kill a Vehicle with it thanks to a Logi-bros Nanohive. |
Wojciak
Soldiers Of One Network
Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.06.21 03:15:00 -
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The Plasma canon is a joke weapon if it is for av. You need to steel the kills to get points, that is because it is about six seconds between shots. I use the plasma canon as a OHK anti infantry weapon. |
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Samuel Zelik
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2013.06.21 03:28:00 -
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Wojciak wrote:The Plasma canon is a joke weapon if it is for av. You need to steel the kills to get points, that is because it is about six seconds between shots. I use the plasma canon as a OHK anti infantry weapon.
The Plasma Cannon is hardly a joke AV weapon. Despite it being harder to use against LAVs and Dropships, the thing wrecks infantry and HAVs. Infantry can easily be picked off in close corners, and using splash damage, the SMG is an easy clean up. If one learns its trajectory, it's even possible to pick moving targets or Snipers in the distance (I have done both before). When it comes to HAVs, take out the use the Plasma Cannon against the weaker HP and use nades to support. I will admit, though, the Plasma Cannon is a terrible finisher. Rather than a joke, it is just more difficult to master. |
Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
837
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Posted - 2013.06.21 05:04:00 -
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More AV weapons are guaged to taking out Armor tanks than Shield tanks. While this may seem like an imbalance to many, in a straight up Armor HAV vs Shield HAV, the Armor HAV easily outclasses the shield in most cases. With that said, the current balance is as such:
Armor
Strong vs Shield HAV
Weak vs Enemy Infantry
Shield
Strong vs Enemy Infantry
Weak vs Armor HAV
So if they want to add more Anti-Shield AV weapons? I'm cool with that, as long as they buff Shield's effectiveness against Armor HAVs. |
Niuvo
The Phoenix Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.21 05:07:00 -
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yes, long range fire and track flux swarms. |
Django Quik
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Posted - 2013.06.21 07:23:00 -
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Some good points here but I think the people against the idea are forgetting that it would have to be balanced as to not be completely OP against shield tanks. As CCP have already said, there will be racial variants of all weapon types; yes. at the moment they're only specifically mentioning rifles and pistols but the others will come eventually. Lock on AV variants will be really interesting additions.
Also the comment about making swarms dumb-fire only - the plasma cannon is the equivalent of that and people complain massively about how difficult it is to kill any vehicle using it. Swarms are so slow that they have to track otherwise they'd never hit anything - it takes at least 5 seconds to hit something a few hundred meters away; by that time an LAV or moving tank is halfway across the map! |
Syther Shadows
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
148
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Posted - 2013.06.21 09:41:00 -
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The whole idea of changing ammo types is really cool imo
but how to implement it ? and how easy is it to do ?
This will be something that rewards strategic players
(pops head out from cover sees a shield tanker changes to EM rounds)
- fires off shield pops throws explosion on contact grenade to complete decimate them |
Django Quik
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Posted - 2013.06.21 09:45:00 -
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Syther Shadows wrote:The whole idea of changing ammo types is really cool imo
but how to implement it ? and how easy is it to do ?
This will be something that rewards strategic players
(pops head out from cover sees a shield tanker changes to EM rounds)
- fires off shield pops throws explosion on contact grenade to complete decimate them
It shouldn't be as easy as just changing ammo - you should have to change weapons at a supply depot. |
Roldrage
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
66
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Posted - 2013.06.21 09:51:00 -
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*Remembers the commando suit*
...Yes, I'd like to see this. |
Django Quik
R.I.f.t
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Posted - 2013.06.21 11:27:00 -
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Roldrage wrote:*Remembers the commando suit*
...Yes, I'd like to see this.
Oh jeez, I hadn't even considered that - you'd be a walking tank killer! That'd be awesome and certainly would make up for the lack of movement speed it's supposed to have. |
pegasis prime
The Shadow Cavalry Mercenaries
DARKSTAR ARMY
315
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Posted - 2013.06.21 11:38:00 -
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All I can say is commando suit complex kincat +swarmlauncher + swarmlauncher = dead tank or dead comando |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon Plus
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Posted - 2013.06.21 13:07:00 -
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Den-tredje Baron wrote:I say no to flux swarm. The main shield AV weapon is the plasma cannon. What do need though would be flux proxy mines mainly to take out those stupid shield LLAVs.
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
841
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Posted - 2013.06.21 16:13:00 -
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Plasma Cannon is a joke, I've actually been driving my tank, saw someone fire a Plasma Cannon at me, I stopped, reversed, and dodged the round. I should not be able to dodge ANYTHING in a tank. Poor guy was just standing there, probably depressed as hell by how utterly lame his weapon is. |
Samuel Zelik
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2013.06.21 16:27:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:Plasma Cannon is a joke, I've actually been driving my tank, saw someone fire a Plasma Cannon at me, I stopped, reversed, and dodged the round. I should not be able to dodge ANYTHING in a tank. Poor guy was just standing there, probably depressed as hell by how utterly lame his weapon is.
Plasma Cannon is a close-ranges weapon. If the person is decently far away, it takes skill and mastery to hit a moving target. And Tanks can dodge long range Swarms the same way by using terrain as cover. Terrains makes it so vehicles, including tanks, should be able to dodge. Plasma Cannon is amazing; it's hard to use (most people don't know how to), but it shouldn't be underestimated. |
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