DUST Search - Scouts equipment slots

Ferren Devarri wrote:

loumanchew wrote:

[quote=Ferren Devarri]
While what you say is true, it is surprising how effective the light frame can be at getting to the location of a dead overextender, performing a quick res and getting back with your squad. Sure you get fired upon sometimes but the speed and small frame can keep you alive and permit feats that a standard logi could not have done. In the old patch I was running 3 shield extenders and 2 shield regulators with great success.

Given I'm just playing around with basic-level materials, I'm a little appalled at the options at lower levels. But realistically, you could probably do better loading up on Kinetics, shield modules, and the revive module with better survivability in a medium frame.

Strictly speaking of the non-specialized frames, there's no discernable reason why you would use a light frame over a medium frame for any purpose whatsoever. 70% increase in [base] hp for only a 10% speed loss is a pretty good trade no matter how you cut it. You get an extra low slot and fitting space for kinetics if you want to make that speed up. Nobody said you *had* to use armor mods.

There's really no need for a mini-logi, that's not a role that particularly suits such an easily tipped frame.


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loumanchew Ametat Security Amarr Empire 8	Posted - 2013.06.20 17:38:00 - [1] - Quote I did a search and could not find anything on the subject so I thought I would throw it out there. I just wanted to express my disappointment regarding the removal of the option to have extra equipment slots. The class I had the most fun playing was a support scout which I dubbed ''speedy logi''. Even though there was not a lot of options because of the limited CPU/PG as far as equipment, I still really enjoyed putting a basic nano, injector and pod and running around trying to get the fallen that the logi could not get to fast enough to be killed, resing logis, and putting out a pod early in the match. I thought that the niche I occupied on the battlefield was unique and specialized and had it's own place. With the way the game has evolved now I find that the only viable suit to use is now a caldari logi suit with a duvolle AR and I think it is a shame. Heavies are next to useless because the assault now have so much HP that it is laughable and the scouts are just too gimp to do anything other than sniping since the SG has been nerfed so hard. Giving options of playability to the different classes was what I enjoyed the most out of this game and now I find it stale for no reason.
loumanchew Ametat Security Amarr Empire 10	Posted - 2013.06.20 23:14:00 - [2] - Quote Samuel Zelik wrote: I don't really have a problem with the current Scout suits; the CPU/PG, while low, is reasonable for the Scout role and the one E slot coupled with other skills makes the Scout a limited, niche job; as it should. Scouting/Infiltration is a niche job and the current Scouts suits reflect that well; however, I don't think the role's capabilities will be complete until we get Cloaks. If there should be a Light suit with two E slots, I'd rather see it as a separate Light Frame role. Maybe I did not explain myself clearly enough. My point is that instead of limiting the light suits to ''scouting and infiltration'', we should have the option to use the speed for something else than just looking at where the enemies are at, which is pretty damn obvious and next to useless if you have been playing for more than a month. Before the current patch there were very few uses for the scout. 1. SG scout 2. Dual SMG 3. Sniper 4. Speedy logi In the current state the options are fewer with the exception of the flavor of the month which is the jumping godlock and is sure to meet the nerf stick. I never heard anyone screaming that the 2 or 3 E slots the scout used to have were overpowered or imbalanced because to fill them you had to use the most basic equipment and most likely give up on proto gear or use one of the low slots to add to your CPU. I made a post about this in the past regarding the lack of PG and CPU but I never thought that the answer would be to just remove the E slots and give more slots to the logi along with a bonus to shields. To me there is no rocket science regarding the balancing of this game. The medium suits have too much HP which makes them far superior to the light suits and by nature gimp out the heavies who are left with marginally higher HP with huge drawbacks on speed and lack of versatility. Why the makers of this game fail to see this is beyond my comprehension.
loumanchew Ametat Security Amarr Empire 11	Posted - 2013.06.21 04:30:00 - [3] - Quote Ferren Devarri wrote: Samuel Zelik wrote: I don't exactly get what you're saying, but what you just listed can all be accomplished through various skill arrangements. I'm referring to adding Light Frame roles outside of stealth and range, such as a pseudo-Logi or a Light Frame combat suit. Given the brazen lack of HP, being in any kind of situation where you are being fired upon is a losing scenario for light frames. That's a job for medium frames for Equipment (nano-hives, repair, revive) roles, and heavies for more direct confrontations. They are the EVE frigates of DUST, without the agility defense. There is virtually no scenario in Light frames where taking damage does not equal instant/near-instant death, except for falling damage. Nothing stops you from equipping a repair/revive module, but their use strongly implies walking head-long into a situation where enemy fire is taking place. While what you say is true, it is surprising how effective the light frame can be at getting to the location of a dead overextender, performing a quick res and getting back with your squad. Sure you get fired upon sometimes but the speed and small frame can keep you alive and permit feats that a standard logi could not have done. In the old patch I was running 3 shield extenders and 2 shield regulators with great success.
loumanchew Ametat Security Amarr Empire 11	Posted - 2013.06.21 05:03:00 - [4] - Quote Ferren Devarri wrote: loumanchew wrote: [quote=Ferren Devarri] While what you say is true, it is surprising how effective the light frame can be at getting to the location of a dead overextender, performing a quick res and getting back with your squad. Sure you get fired upon sometimes but the speed and small frame can keep you alive and permit feats that a standard logi could not have done. In the old patch I was running 3 shield extenders and 2 shield regulators with great success. Given I'm just playing around with basic-level materials, I'm a little appalled at the options at lower levels. But realistically, you could probably do better loading up on Kinetics, shield modules, and the revive module with better survivability in a medium frame. Strictly speaking of the non-specialized frames, there's no discernable reason why you would use a light frame over a medium frame for any purpose whatsoever. 70% increase in [base] hp for only a 10% speed loss is a pretty good trade no matter how you cut it. You get an extra low slot and fitting space for kinetics if you want to make that speed up. Nobody said you had to use armor mods. There's really no need for a mini-logi, that's not a role that particularly suits such an easily tipped frame. On paper perhaps, but the speed, stamina and jumping height made it very agile in ways that the medium frame could not immitate. I understand that the medium frame is king at the moment, but I don't think it should be. All I know is that the speedy logi was the most enjoyable class I played so far. Now that it is gone, my interest dwindles and it is too bad, because I do enjoy playing this game.