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Jason Punk
DUST University Ivy League
131
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Posted - 2013.06.19 19:03:00 -
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Jason Punk wrote:Honestly, the real issue is that it the value of ISK is somewhat null and void...skilling up should be something that takes a long time...but it shouldn't really be the end goal. The end goal needs to be the market, the isk, value that ebbs and flows with the player metagame of warfare and conquest...not SP.
This is truly the direction I believe needs more love. There is virtually nothing we can manipulate in the skill cap or SP numbers that will satisfy everyone. The current system is the result of player feedback and the same comments you're all making now. Nothing has changed gentlemen, the system itself is fine, it's the context of the game it exists in which is the problem...instead of SP gap, empower the new players with more things he can do to help his team...That, gentlemen, is how we grow a game.
I think the whole community is becoming a little timid. Don't give up on the numbers, but let's not lose sight of the game as a whole. The question is not how do we make things 'fair' for everyone, but how do we give everyone the ability to fulfill a role for a group or friends without the need of SP or vast game experience?
From a larger SP Cap Forum: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=88145&find=unread
These are my thoughts and I would like to get them circulating so we can answer the question for new kids today and tomorrow. It's an important issue and I know one of us has got some good input ^^
<3 Punk |
BMSTUBBYxx
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
68
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Posted - 2013.06.19 19:07:00 -
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TL;DR
CCP says that the current system is what the player base voted on and wanted and it is not going to change anytime SOONGäó
Or in other words
Horse is dead stop beating it! |
Taurion Bruni
Nightingale Logistics Pty Ltd
51
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Posted - 2013.06.19 19:07:00 -
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the starter fits that each merc gets should be more powerful to start with, but is not affected by any sp put into them. that way, new mercs can enjoy a powerful fit while he/she gets used to the game, and is more inclined to try them all before specializing, they should be the equivalent of a standard fitting, but should not be able to be modified |
Jason Punk
DUST University Ivy League
131
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Posted - 2013.06.19 19:09:00 -
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BMSTUBBYxx wrote:TL;DR
CCP says that the current system is what the player base voted on and wanted and it is not going to change anytime SOONGäó
Or in other words
Horse is dead stop beating it!
sure is...or you could find out that this is a cow and very much alive...did you read anything I just put up?
I mean, I agree with the SP Gap discussion being dead...but that's also what I just stated with important caveat |
Jason Punk
DUST University Ivy League
131
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Posted - 2013.06.19 19:13:00 -
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Taurion Bruni wrote:the starter fits that each merc gets should be more powerful to start with, but is not affected by any sp put into them. that way, new mercs can enjoy a powerful fit while he/she gets used to the game, and is more inclined to try them all before specializing, they should be the equivalent of a standard fitting, but should not be able to be modified
fair enough...but you're still playing the ol numbers game...I'm not discussing SP or "how to level up" I'm discussing gameplay and giving new players value in group operations to the extent of nullifying the psychological all-importance of SP gains...role with me man |
BMSTUBBYxx
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
68
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Posted - 2013.06.19 19:14:00 -
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Jason Punk wrote:BMSTUBBYxx wrote:TL;DR
CCP says that the current system is what the player base voted on and wanted and it is not going to change anytime SOONGäó
Or in other words
Horse is dead stop beating it! sure is...or you could find out that this is a cow and very much alive...did you read anything I just put up?
Ummmm, do I have to spell TL:DR out for you?
Cow, Horse, Elephant, use whatever animal you want but if CCP says its dead and they are not beating it anymore then its dead!
Little piece of advice,
CCP does not give two $hits about the player base.
We could all up and QQ tomorrow over SP and CCP would just sit there and troll us all day by telling us that it is on the horizon buttercup. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
2750
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Posted - 2013.06.19 19:14:00 -
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BMSTUBBYxx wrote:TL;DR
CCP says that the current system is what the player base voted on and wanted and it is not going to change anytime SOONGäó
Or in other words
Horse is dead stop beating it!
Ignorant post is ignorant.
I know you were there when the vote was officially held by CCP Cmdr Wang. He specifically stated on the same thread as that vote that the system we voted for will be temporary (a relative term) for now while they figure out how to establish a rollover system. Either you are intentionally lying through your teeth in an effort to create fear, uncertainty, and doubt, or you actually forgot and are just ignorant. |
hooc order
Deep Space Republic
420
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Posted - 2013.06.19 19:16:00 -
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huh?
CCP said the their new solution to the SP gap is matchmaking. They are going to tier matches based on gear. Why is this fact completely ignored with every discussion about it? |
Jason Punk
DUST University Ivy League
131
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Posted - 2013.06.19 19:18:00 -
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Jason Punk wrote:.... .I'm not discussing SP or "how to level up" I'm discussing gameplay and giving new players value in group operations to the extent of nullifying the psychological all-importance of SP gains... role with me man |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
2751
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Posted - 2013.06.19 19:18:00 -
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Source https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=503133#post503133
Your vote: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=487087#post487087 |
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Colonel Killar
DUST CORE DARKSTAR ARMY
12
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Posted - 2013.06.19 19:19:00 -
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hooc order wrote:huh?
CCP said the their new solution to the SP gap is matchmaking. They are going to tier matches based on gear. Why is this fact completely ignored with every discussion about it? they need to tier based on SP |
Jason Punk
DUST University Ivy League
131
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Posted - 2013.06.19 19:19:00 -
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appreciate that sauce |
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GM Vegas
Game Masters C C P Alliance
546
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Posted - 2013.06.19 19:19:00 -
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More than happy to let you guys bring this up once again however we already have several threads about the same subject so reopening another thread about it won't help in getting any attention.
Locking this one for now but feel free to contribute in the other similar threads.
Thanks, |
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Raphael Urbino
Abandoned Privilege General Tso's Alliance
1
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Posted - 2013.06.19 19:21:00 -
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I think that Punk is trying to say, try to come up with other means to help your team/squad... give the new guys level one logistic suits... or let them buy them... help them buy using their droplinks and nanohives... when/where you can... ccp should help hide them from the "RED" guys... |
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