DUST Search - Planetary conquest, pc bug

major faux-pas wrote:

CCP FoxFour wrote:

The petition is being handled separately, I am not here to discuss the specifics on that.

What I do want to address is the issue where you can be declared victor and still lose the district. This can happen and is considered to be as designed for now, although we have it on our backlog to look at how we present it to the user.

The reason this can happen is as follows:

The defender "wins" the battle to defend their district
The defender however ends the battle with 0 clones left
A fundamental rule of planetary conquest is that if a district ever goes down to 0 clones it is considered abandoned
The defender has won the battle, but lost the district due to running out of clones
The attack actually still has their 1 hour exclusivity period to re-attack the district, doing so will win it for them instantly since it has no owner

In the above example the system worked entirely as designed based on the rules we had set out. We clearly didn't really anticipate this exact scenario very well and in the future we will revisit this and look to see if we can improve it.

If you have experienced winning a defensive battle, losing the district, and you did in fact have clones left, then please do petition it and we will look into what happened.

Thank you for the response. We are now closer to the matter.

2 Problems with your reason given above:
1) (general) It makes no sense
2) (specific) The reason outlined above is not correct (loop on line 2)

This is how: "The defender however ends the battle with 0 clones left" - I submit again, *This did not occur*

- As I specified, we cloned them (exactly why 'victory' was declared). This is therefore a bug - i.e. poor programming with a nonsense outcome - i.e a bug. Now that is clear, the bug can be put in the queue for fixing.

Now, to the real-life problem of disenchanted gamers: CCP, you claim the beauty of Dust is that things MATTER to the players. This is true for all us Dusties, and your work to date should be congratulated as you have acheived this aim. Now - THAT battle mattered to us. A lot of time and passion is invested in this (forget the Aurum).

CCP, given the above, in the rare event of these ERRONEOUS rulings, it would show concern for your players who experience this, to soften the blow through some compensation, i.e. SP (We must accept we loose the district - as events in eve move on). Failure to recognise and make repairations shows a clear lack of concern for your player-base in PC. I have not seen many of my previously regular corpmates online for some time now.

I mean no offense, and apologise if caused. I sincerely hope you will recognise the importance, and reply on topic 1) regarding the bug in the system 2) regarding repairations/relations.

Sincere regards,
Major FP


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Draco Cerberus Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy 131	Posted - 2013.06.19 00:36:00 - [1] - Quote Which district?
Draco Cerberus Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy 161	Posted - 2013.06.24 18:12:00 - [2] - Quote major faux-pas wrote: CCP FoxFour wrote: The petition is being handled separately, I am not here to discuss the specifics on that. What I do want to address is the issue where you can be declared victor and still lose the district. This can happen and is considered to be as designed for now, although we have it on our backlog to look at how we present it to the user. The reason this can happen is as follows: The defender "wins" the battle to defend their district The defender however ends the battle with 0 clones left A fundamental rule of planetary conquest is that if a district ever goes down to 0 clones it is considered abandoned The defender has won the battle, but lost the district due to running out of clones The attack actually still has their 1 hour exclusivity period to re-attack the district, doing so will win it for them instantly since it has no owner In the above example the system worked entirely as designed based on the rules we had set out. We clearly didn't really anticipate this exact scenario very well and in the future we will revisit this and look to see if we can improve it. If you have experienced winning a defensive battle, losing the district, and you did in fact have clones left, then please do petition it and we will look into what happened. Thank you for the response. We are now closer to the matter. 2 Problems with your reason given above: 1) (general) It makes no sense 2) (specific) The reason outlined above is not correct (loop on line 2) This is how: "The defender however ends the battle with 0 clones left" - I submit again, This did not occur - As I specified, we cloned them (exactly why 'victory' was declared). This is therefore a bug - i.e. poor programming with a nonsense outcome - i.e a bug. Now that is clear, the bug can be put in the queue for fixing. Now, to the real-life problem of disenchanted gamers: CCP, you claim the beauty of Dust is that things MATTER to the players. This is true for all us Dusties, and your work to date should be congratulated as you have acheived this aim. Now - THAT battle mattered to us. A lot of time and passion is invested in this (forget the Aurum). CCP, given the above, in the rare event of these ERRONEOUS rulings, it would show concern for your players who experience this, to soften the blow through some compensation, i.e. SP (We must accept we loose the district - as events in eve move on). Failure to recognise and make repairations shows a clear lack of concern for your player-base in PC. I have not seen many of my previously regular corpmates online for some time now. I mean no offense, and apologise if caused. I sincerely hope you will recognise the importance, and reply on topic 1) regarding the bug in the system 2) regarding repairations/relations. Sincere regards, Major FP Are you sure you did not suffer from a last minute OB from the other team, wiping out your clones? This could result in the situation that FoxFour has described. Considering that computers are generally good with numbers this could be an issue where the count of the dead was in before it registered on your screen (you died and the black screen has no counter and the counter doesn't show when you are bleeding out with your killer's info in front of you) or where you miss counted the deaths after the battle. I only ask because all these things are possible reasons for this to happen, and after all the PC battles I have been in I have never seen this happen. I also hate to tell you this but I have never been compensated for lagging out and locking up in a PC battle yet I have seen it happen more than once. This is not a request for compensation.