DUST Search - Difference between PS2 and Dust: Ownership

Deluxe Edition wrote:

The key aspect of dust that will keep this the game to beat in FPSMMO is ownership, PS2 doesn't have it, sure you fight for a faction but is it really your war? This is the key aspect of dust that can make dust king. Your dropsuites, vehicles, and weapons are all paid for by you. The districts you take belong to your corp, not to some giant faction. Don't take this as some fanboy post, I am greatly disappointed with the product that is uprising, and in all honest I doubt this game will live up to expectations for the next 6 months - year. However PS2 is that proverbial greener pasture that in all honesty is almost as bleak as dust is.

PS2 is blob warfare at it's finest, where individual skill counts for every little, where fights are determined by which faction has more well organized squads on it's side and the loosers get quickly steamrolled and just leave the area leaving the battle empty. New players face no tutorial like dust, vehicles dominate, and with such high player counts player rendering doesn't happen outside of 50ft of you.

So for all the posters claiming PS2 to be the next godsend remember it's been out for close to a year on PC, and well it really hasn't made waves in that market

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Deluxe Edition TeamPlayers EoN. 407	Posted - 2013.06.18 00:57:00 - [1] - Quote The key aspect of dust that will keep this the game to beat in FPSMMO is ownership, PS2 doesn't have it, sure you fight for a faction but is it really your war? This is the key aspect of dust that can make dust king. Your dropsuites, vehicles, and weapons are all paid for by you. The districts you take belong to your corp, not to some giant faction. Don't take this as some fanboy post, I am greatly disappointed with the product that is uprising, and in all honest I doubt this game will live up to expectations for the next 6 months - year. However PS2 is that proverbial greener pasture that in all honesty is almost as bleak as dust is. PS2 is blob warfare at it's finest, where individual skill counts for every little, where fights are determined by which faction has more well organized squads on it's side and the loosers get quickly steamrolled and just leave the area leaving the battle empty. New players face no tutorial like dust, vehicles dominate, and with such high player counts player rendering doesn't happen outside of 50ft of you. So for all the posters claiming PS2 to be the next godsend remember it's been out for close to a year on PC, and well it really hasn't made waves in that market
Golda Go Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 53	Posted - 2013.06.18 02:15:00 - [2] - Quote PS2 began development in 2009, same as Dust. It released first with more features and it's actually an MMO. And it's free.
Raizor Feddie Seraphim Auxiliaries CRONOS. 98	Posted - 2013.06.18 02:17:00 - [3] - Quote Golda Go wrote: PS2 began development in 2009, same as Dust. It released first with more features and it's actually an MMO. And it's free. In Dust if your corp is **** you can't own a thing. This.
Kane Fyea DUST University Ivy League 373	Posted - 2013.06.18 02:17:00 - [4] - Quote Golda Go wrote: PS2 began development in 2009, same as Dust. It released first with more features and it's actually an MMO. And it's free. CCP had to pretty much rebuild the game from scratch in late 2011 so that arguments invalid... Oh and they have a lot less staff then SOE does. Oh and SOE has A LOT more experience with the ps3 then CCP does.
Golda Go Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 53	Posted - 2013.06.18 02:18:00 - [5] - Quote Kane Fyea wrote: Golda Go wrote: PS2 began development in 2009, same as Dust. It released first with more features and it's actually an MMO. And it's free. CCP had to pretty much rebuild the game from scratch in late 2011 so that arguments invalid... Oh and they have a lot less staff then SOE does. Excuses pffff
Raizor Feddie Seraphim Auxiliaries CRONOS. 98	Posted - 2013.06.18 02:19:00 - [6] - Quote Kane Fyea wrote: Golda Go wrote: PS2 began development in 2009, same as Dust. It released first with more features and it's actually an MMO. And it's free. CCP had to pretty much rebuild the game from scratch in late 2011 so that arguments invalid... Oh and they have a lot less staff then SOE does. Oh and SOE has A LOT more experience with the ps3 then CCP does. And those are excuses for this game to be bad? Hell not even bad...Broken.
Onesimus Tarsus Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 419	Posted - 2013.06.18 02:20:00 - [7] - Quote Deluxe Edition wrote: The key aspect of dust that will keep this the game to beat in FPSMMO is ownership, PS2 doesn't have it, sure you fight for a faction but is it really your war? This is the key aspect of dust that can make dust king. Your dropsuites, vehicles, and weapons are all paid for by you. The districts you take belong to your corp, not to some giant faction. Don't take this as some fanboy post, I am greatly disappointed with the product that is uprising, and in all honest I doubt this game will live up to expectations for the next 6 months - year. However PS2 is that proverbial greener pasture that in all honesty is almost as bleak as dust is. PS2 is blob warfare at it's finest, where individual skill counts for every little, where fights are determined by which faction has more well organized squads on it's side and the loosers get quickly steamrolled and just leave the area leaving the battle empty. New players face no tutorial like dust, vehicles dominate, and with such high player counts player rendering doesn't happen outside of 50ft of you. So for all the posters claiming PS2 to be the next godsend remember it's been out for close to a year on PC, and well it really hasn't made waves in that market Um, I thought the Dust ideal was well-organized squads beating the scrabbling masses. And, unless I can sell it, I don't really feel like I own it.
Kane Fyea DUST University Ivy League 374	Posted - 2013.06.18 02:21:00 - [8] - Quote Raizor Feddie wrote: Kane Fyea wrote: Golda Go wrote: PS2 began development in 2009, same as Dust. It released first with more features and it's actually an MMO. And it's free. CCP had to pretty much rebuild the game from scratch in late 2011 so that arguments invalid... Oh and they have a lot less staff then SOE does. Oh and SOE has A LOT more experience with the ps3 then CCP does. And those are excuses for this game to be bad? Hell not even bad...Broken. Read my edit I put in another reason (Or excuse as you call it) for you. Also I know dust is bad in it's current state but there have been MANY MMOs that have made the game 10x better then it was at launch.
J'Jor Da'Wg KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 821	Posted - 2013.06.18 02:22:00 - [9] - Quote Tell me, if I would rather play QWOP for hours instead of DUST because its shooting mechanics are so gut wrenchingly poor, will I really take the time to build "ownership" of some virtual empire?
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. CRONOS. 1988	Posted - 2013.06.18 02:22:00 - [10] - Quote Golda Go wrote: PS2 began development in 2009, same as Dust. It released first with more features and it's actually an MMO. And it's free. More features? Planetside 2 is MMOBF23, exactly what CEO John Smedley's Live Journal post on the issue said they didn't want it to be, and were going to change it from. That was a year ago, and to this day, nothing has been done. We got more paid content and MLG support. No new continents. No continent locking. No functioning warpgates. No new facilities. They'd rather nerf all the default gear to the point you have no choice but to either pay $7 a gun, or grind up 250,000XP for them, and they've even nerfed several of the paid assets they released post-launch to the point of being worthless, so now you have to spend more money or grind for even longer. Also, as I've already mentioned, the "massive battles" are a bold-faced lie. You may see a major fight once or twice a week unless you play in an outfit, and some of them even have membership fees. Also, it's not very free-to-play friendly when Premium users get queue priority, so that unless you pay $100+ dollars a year, you'll just be unable to get onto the same continent as your friends because all the premiums will keep throwing you to the back.

Abron Garr Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 494	Posted - 2013.06.18 02:23:00 - [11] - Quote Kane Fyea wrote: Golda Go wrote: PS2 began development in 2009, same as Dust. It released first with more features and it's actually an MMO. And it's free. CCP had to pretty much rebuild the game from scratch in late 2011 so that arguments invalid... Oh and they have a lot less staff then SOE does. Oh and SOE has A LOT more experience with the ps3 then CCP does. Then they had no reason to call Dust a AAA FPS.
Golda Go Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 53	Posted - 2013.06.18 02:23:00 - [12] - Quote Kane Fyea wrote: Golda Go wrote: PS2 began development in 2009, same as Dust. It released first with more features and it's actually an MMO. And it's free. CCP had to pretty much rebuild the game from scratch in late 2011 so that arguments invalid... Oh and they have a lot less staff then SOE does. Oh and SOE has A LOT more experience with the ps3 then CCP does. Reason they said **** it we're not doing this massive on this crap console.
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 981	Posted - 2013.06.18 02:24:00 - [13] - Quote By the way, massive resource cost increase is coming in PS2, so get your resource boosts today!
Kane Fyea DUST University Ivy League 374	Posted - 2013.06.18 02:25:00 - [14] - Quote Abron Garr wrote: Kane Fyea wrote: Golda Go wrote: PS2 began development in 2009, same as Dust. It released first with more features and it's actually an MMO. And it's free. CCP had to pretty much rebuild the game from scratch in late 2011 so that arguments invalid... Oh and they have a lot less staff then SOE does. Oh and SOE has A LOT more experience with the ps3 then CCP does. Then they had no reason to call Dust a AAA FPS. I agree with that. This is not a AAA FPS.
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. CRONOS. 1988	Posted - 2013.06.18 02:25:00 - [15] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: By the way, massive resource cost increase is coming in PS2, so get your resource boosts today! Oh, and don't forget to go Premium so you can actually play on the same server and continent as your friends. If not, good luck with the infinite queue.
Kane Fyea DUST University Ivy League 374	Posted - 2013.06.18 02:25:00 - [16] - Quote Golda Go wrote: Kane Fyea wrote: Golda Go wrote: PS2 began development in 2009, same as Dust. It released first with more features and it's actually an MMO. And it's free. CCP had to pretty much rebuild the game from scratch in late 2011 so that arguments invalid... Oh and they have a lot less staff then SOE does. Oh and SOE has A LOT more experience with the ps3 then CCP does. Reason they said **** it we're not doing this massive on this crap console. No it's because the Carbon engine was too powerful for the ps3's inferior hardware.
The Black Art Pro Hic Immortalis 129	Posted - 2013.06.18 02:26:00 - [17] - Quote Fun, the only thing that matters.
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 282	Posted - 2013.06.18 02:27:00 - [18] - Quote Deluxe Edition wrote: The key aspect of dust that will keep this the game to beat in FPSMMO is ownership, PS2 doesn't have it, sure you fight for a faction but is it really your war? This is the key aspect of dust that can make dust king. Your dropsuites, vehicles, and weapons are all paid for by you. The districts you take belong to your corp, not to some giant faction. Don't take this as some fanboy post, I am greatly disappointed with the product that is uprising, and in all honest I doubt this game will live up to expectations for the next 6 months - year. However PS2 is that proverbial greener pasture that in all honesty is almost as bleak as dust is. PS2 is blob warfare at it's finest, where individual skill counts for every little, where fights are determined by which faction has more well organized squads on it's side and the loosers get quickly steamrolled and just leave the area leaving the battle empty. New players face no tutorial like dust, vehicles dominate, and with such high player counts player rendering doesn't happen outside of 50ft of you. So for all the posters claiming PS2 to be the next godsend remember it's been out for close to a year on PC, and well it really hasn't made waves in that market Are you paraphrasing the Fight your own War video and adding PS2
Deluxe Edition TeamPlayers EoN. 410	Posted - 2013.06.18 15:46:00 - [19] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: Are you paraphrasing the Fight your own War video and adding PS2 It's the key element of dust that is missing in every other MMO. Don't expect Dust 514 to become a polished finished product for about a year. 6 months - a year after the PS4's launch we will see a true launch of Dust on the PS4 accompanied by actual advertising dollars. By staying on the PS3 CCP is buying time to fix everything that is wrong with the core mechanics of dust along with implementing and testing all the missing features. By delaying their release to the PS4 CCP is actually saving their launch "mulligan". Their opportunity to reintroduce their now more complete game to the community on a more advanced system. As usual life sucks for the early adopters of MMO games, but in all honesty I think it will be worth the wait. I understand if people don't want to stick around through these bug filled, featureless versions of Dust. Go play another game for the next year, and let your toon collect passive for when the true launch happens when the game is released on PS4.


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