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Hunter Fencen
ROGUE SPADES
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Posted - 2013.06.15 22:57:00 -
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As many should now know from E3 Planetside 2 will be coming to PS4 at the end of the year. This is probably going to be the biggest hurdle for DUST to attempt to beat. PC gamers will know of Planetside 2 as a huge FPS It also runs on the free-to-play model. This makes it very similar to DUST 514.
On the other hand though it can boast of battles DUST cannot even begin to comprehend with up to 2,000 players in one server, and graphics to make your eyes water with amazement. Scale is what it boasts of, and scale is what is delivered. DUST will lose out on its already tiny fanbase to this game unless major improvements take place.
Firstly CCP is claiming we will be getting 50 man battles. Seriously? Is that it? When you see BF4 a game so intense in graphics is going 64 man on console what on earth is holding us back? Can't be graphics those are shoddy too in comparison.
The only real acceptable scale would be MAG style minimum, if PS3 could do it so can PS4 surely?
Secondly the DEV's need to start thinking, how long can you take fixing minor issues without making big ones elsewhere? Move some guys tending to your baby EVE to help build this game, make it groundbraking.
I love this game but it is far to grindy and unenjoyable at this state, I fear that once free-to-plays become more prominent this game will sigh and disappear. Planetside 2 is what is going to set the bar CCP not this game, please for the sake of us console guys, give DUST some love.
Your guys opinions? |
richiesutie 2
Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
41
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Posted - 2013.06.15 23:01:00 -
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Right now PS2 only has 6,500 players online according to steam, just thought i'd throw that out there. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2013.06.15 23:07:00 -
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Hunter Fencen wrote:Stealing our frontline grunts we don't really need anyway
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
5201
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Posted - 2013.06.15 23:10:00 -
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Planetside 2's model is albeit very different because you're trying to circumvent years of training with purchases.
To absolutely own everything in Planetside 2 costs.... about 1200 USD.
In Dust 514, its nearly impossible to do this at all because all the items are only early access but fleeting amounts. Pennies or fractions of to try anything out. So for less than 20 usd you can not only get some good gear but figure out what things you want or dont want to train up and get better isk version gear. Thus that sort of grinding to get to a comfortable spot is about 1-2 weeks.
Planetside 2 progression model is a grind fest from hell. To unlock 1 launcher literally took me 2 months as a casual player. I also didn't have the oppertunity to try out the launcher because the damn system has a horrible idea of 'preview' of the item so having to rely on weapon description and the damage over distance graphs.
As for the overall playing environment Planetside 2 is abhorrently horrible, there are bugs in it that have still not been resolved since launch and even worst SOE not only refuses to acknowledge some bugs but some bugs they censor the crap out of. I know a few guys to gotten completely banned by SOE system (all SOE game) for posting videos of some of planetside 2's worst bugs. Disappearing heads (both drawn and physical) miffs me the most in cqc. Invisible walls, falling though the floor. Then the newer bugs such as the NC Max Shield being permanently stuck ON, Even after death. The game refusing to recognize you died and many many more things that makes PS2 a frustration to play at times. Like my new launcher every so often I would fire and the rocket is a dud and falls straight down harming me in the process instead of letting me camera guide it.
The fights are more meaningless most of the time than most lobby shooters, becuase it usually boils down to spawn camped or spawn camping, RARELY do you get what I would call a 'fight' in larger numbers, in smaller numbers fights are more like frustration station becuase there are so few people trying to take and defend the objective it makes it very unfun to be running around in a place designed to host a 50 player battle but with only 4 guys on your team and 1-2 guys on the other team and it takes way too long to unscrew or screw over each other.
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Draco Dustflier
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.06.15 23:10:00 -
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richiesutie 2 wrote:Right now PS2 only has 6,500 player according to steam, just thought i'd throw that out there.
because the 5 million people that buy a ps4 on day one will pick a crappy game with broken core mechanics over battlefield on steroids.
the only reason ps2 has a low player count is because it completely obliterates any computer that tries to run it. the ps4 will not have that problem. i expect over 500,000 players the first few weeks, then it will eventually drop to 100k and spike on a monthly basis.
my point is, ps2 will step on dust like an ant. |
LADY MYATO
QcGOLD
Astroya Conglomerate
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Posted - 2013.06.15 23:11:00 -
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Dust will stay alive , nothing to fear from PS2.
Yes CCP sometime are a bunch or ****** and dont listen. But I keep faith in Dust all the way. CCP is a succesfull company , they are getting Hacked for a reason. The competition is scared of them because they bring FPS gaming to a new level.
Yes this game is not perfect and it will never be , just like Eve will never be perfect. Those game always evolve that why there is issue to fix all the time. And this is what make this game freaking awesomes. I know in 10 Year Dust will still be around.
I dont waste time listening to the whining ******. Those people will always complain on anything to get attention.
For one we have a Company that do care for the player base instead of ass company that make BattleField and Call of duty or simlar game wich only care for profit and not about the game itself. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
5201
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Posted - 2013.06.15 23:16:00 -
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Draco Dustflier wrote:richiesutie 2 wrote:Right now PS2 only has 6,500 player according to steam, just thought i'd throw that out there. because the 5 million people that buy a ps4 on day one will pick a crappy game with broken core mechanics over battlefield on steroids. the only reason ps2 has a low player count is because it completely obliterates any computer that tries to run it. the ps4 will not have that problem. i expect over 500,000 players the first few weeks, then it will eventually drop to 100k and spike on a monthly basis. my point is, ps2 will step on dust like an ant.
LOL... that does not explain why the fight for The Crown as gone from an epic 500 players total to a pathetic 20 lately.
Here's a hint they de-stratigize the crown. Holding just about any territory in planetside 2 is a liability and not an advantage. Just about any and every territory that was hard to take over was made so easily taken over that defending anything is not worth it anymore. |
PlanetsideTwo F2P2013PS4
Shining Flame
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.06.15 23:18:00 -
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here is what they are doing in planetside 2 currently
Day/night infantry battle all day. |
PlanetsideTwo F2P2013PS4
Shining Flame
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.06.15 23:19:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Draco Dustflier wrote:richiesutie 2 wrote:Right now PS2 only has 6,500 player according to steam, just thought i'd throw that out there. because the 5 million people that buy a ps4 on day one will pick a crappy game with broken core mechanics over battlefield on steroids. the only reason ps2 has a low player count is because it completely obliterates any computer that tries to run it. the ps4 will not have that problem. i expect over 500,000 players the first few weeks, then it will eventually drop to 100k and spike on a monthly basis. my point is, ps2 will step on dust like an ant. LOL... that does not explain why the fight for The Crown as gone from an epic 500 players total to a pathetic 20 lately. Here's a hint they de-stratigize the crown. Holding just about any territory in planetside 2 is a liability and not an advantage.
Dude yu gross and a disgrace to gaming.
Ps2 is amazing and the battles are actually bigger than ever before.
You sir are smoking crack |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
5201
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Posted - 2013.06.15 23:19:00 -
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PlanetsideTwo F2P2013PS4 wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Draco Dustflier wrote:richiesutie 2 wrote:Right now PS2 only has 6,500 player according to steam, just thought i'd throw that out there. because the 5 million people that buy a ps4 on day one will pick a crappy game with broken core mechanics over battlefield on steroids. the only reason ps2 has a low player count is because it completely obliterates any computer that tries to run it. the ps4 will not have that problem. i expect over 500,000 players the first few weeks, then it will eventually drop to 100k and spike on a monthly basis. my point is, ps2 will step on dust like an ant. LOL... that does not explain why the fight for The Crown as gone from an epic 500 players total to a pathetic 20 lately. Here's a hint they de-stratigize the crown. Holding just about any territory in planetside 2 is a liability and not an advantage. Dude yu gross and a disgrace to gaming. Ps2 is amazing and the battles are actually bigger than ever before. You sir are smoking crack
I sir play the game as a means of research. I am literally watching PS2 die before my eyes and taking notes as to why.
Mistakes SOE has done so far.
1. Got Greedy.
2. Threw away the road map
3. Not admitting mistakes
4. Gone Googoo over MLG.
5. Hats.
6. Threw balancing out the window. VS Max Suit ability horribly out of balance.
7. The inherit problem with Red =/= Blue =/= Purple
8. The inherit problem that you force players to remain Red, Blue, or Purple.
9. The inherit problem of having Red Vs Blue Vs Purple. |
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richiesutie 2
Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.15 23:25:00 -
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Draco Dustflier wrote:richiesutie 2 wrote:Right now PS2 only has 6,500 player according to steam, just thought i'd throw that out there. because the 5 million people that buy a ps4 on day one will pick a crappy game with broken core mechanics over battlefield on steroids. the only reason ps2 has a low player count is because it completely obliterates any computer that tries to run it. the ps4 will not have that problem. i expect over 500,000 players the first few weeks, then it will eventually drop to 100k and spike on a monthly basis. my point is, ps2 will step on dust like an ant.
A relatively weak pc with intel integrated hd 4000 graphics can run PS2 on low setting easily @720p. |
Eisen Sonnet
S.e.V.e.N.
29
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Posted - 2013.06.15 23:26:00 -
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I was kinda curious since people keep posting stuff up about PS2. So I went ahead and downloaded it a few days ago.
It wasn't appealing at all. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
5201
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Posted - 2013.06.15 23:27:00 -
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richiesutie 2 wrote:Draco Dustflier wrote:richiesutie 2 wrote:Right now PS2 only has 6,500 player according to steam, just thought i'd throw that out there. because the 5 million people that buy a ps4 on day one will pick a crappy game with broken core mechanics over battlefield on steroids. the only reason ps2 has a low player count is because it completely obliterates any computer that tries to run it. the ps4 will not have that problem. i expect over 500,000 players the first few weeks, then it will eventually drop to 100k and spike on a monthly basis. my point is, ps2 will step on dust like an ant. A relatively weak pc with intel integrated hd 4000 graphics can run PS2 on low setting easily @720p.
And that is another point I wanted to bring up, Lower graphical settings in planetside 2 puts you at a disadvantage, you have to play several settings near max to actually not get disadvantaged. Most notable AA gunning. |
Hunter Fencen
ROGUE SPADES
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.06.15 23:28:00 -
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My point is that with its publicity and scale PS2 will stomp on DUST like a proto with the old duvolle TAC. I don't want to give up on DUST but i'm afraid whereas it has no competition for its market on console now, its gonna have to massively step up very fast or else... |
Delonius from Khanid
Pangalactic Punks n' Playboys
HUN Reloaded
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Posted - 2013.06.15 23:30:00 -
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People tend to overhype planetside here but others who tried it on pc are a lot more cautious about it. It's thrilling for a few weeks but after that people will realise that 90% of the time it's about zerging, spawn camping, and huge armies running circles around each other to avoid fight and to conquer the zones faster for certs. And even with the huge number of players it can be repetitive after a while and no long term goals (other then character progression) to fill the void. And then people will troll on the planetside forums about how new upcoming titles will kill planetside 2.
Dust's biggest enemy is itself.
Can the playerbase hold on until Dust gets to the stage where it can be edgy and offer things (metagaming, meaningful wars, industry, feeling the connection with the sandbox etc) what other fps games can't?
Will it ever get there?
How soon will it be released on ps4 (or pc)?
When will it run out on ps3 leaving it's limitations behind?
Will the dev team be able to work fast enough to prevent bittervet syndrome on the players?
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These kind of questions are important imo. |
richiesutie 2
Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.15 23:30:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:richiesutie 2 wrote:Draco Dustflier wrote:richiesutie 2 wrote:Right now PS2 only has 6,500 player according to steam, just thought i'd throw that out there. because the 5 million people that buy a ps4 on day one will pick a crappy game with broken core mechanics over battlefield on steroids. the only reason ps2 has a low player count is because it completely obliterates any computer that tries to run it. the ps4 will not have that problem. i expect over 500,000 players the first few weeks, then it will eventually drop to 100k and spike on a monthly basis. my point is, ps2 will step on dust like an ant. A relatively weak pc with intel integrated hd 4000 graphics can run PS2 on low setting easily @720p. And that is another point I wanted to bring up, Lower graphical settings in planetside 2 puts you at a disadvantage, you have to play several settings near max to actually not get disadvantaged. Most notable AA gunning.
But thats the same for most pc games one could argue. |
Kitten Empress
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
626
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Posted - 2013.06.15 23:37:00 -
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richiesutie 2 wrote:Right now PS2 only has 6,500 players online according to steam, just thought i'd throw that out there.
Those are steam players.
There are many more that use the PS2 client. |
crazy space 1
Unkn0wn Killers
1357
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Posted - 2013.06.15 23:42:00 -
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PS2 is NOT dust. there is no real loss inbattle, there are 10,000 worlds, not one.
the only thing it has going for it is open communication and the fact that they care about player feedback. |
Harpyja
DUST University
Ivy League
129
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Posted - 2013.06.16 00:18:00 -
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I still have faith in Dust. There is still a lot of 'missing' content which I am eagerly looking forward to.
Singleplayer and co-op fighting against drone hordes.
New vehicles.
Multitude of new planets to fight on.
Just a few of the many things I am greatly looking forward to. Uprising is only the beginning... |
UK-Shots
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
130
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Posted - 2013.06.16 00:29:00 -
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theres gonna be another mmo on ps4 aswell
blacklight retribution been playing it on pc |
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CommanderBolt
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
ROFL BROS
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Posted - 2013.06.16 00:35:00 -
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I just wiped my bottom with some super soft planetside 2 loo roll. Mmm was soft and cuddly but its been flushed away now... |
Kalante Schiffer
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
312
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Posted - 2013.06.16 01:01:00 -
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Draco Dustflier wrote:richiesutie 2 wrote:Right now PS2 only has 6,500 player according to steam, just thought i'd throw that out there. because the 5 million people that buy a ps4 on day one will pick a crappy game with broken core mechanics over battlefield on steroids. the only reason ps2 has a low player count is because it completely obliterates any computer that tries to run it. the ps4 will not have that problem. i expect over 500,000 players the first few weeks, then it will eventually drop to 100k and spike on a monthly basis. my point is, ps2 will step on dust like an ant. ps2 having over 500k people online? not even cod when it was the most overhyped game back in 2010 had over 500k people online in one day except when it was double xp weekend, the player count raised up to an stagering bullsh*t 700k people online. i just love seeing all of these broken hypothesis at least try to be realistic about it. |
ReGnYuM
Not another AR SCRUB
201
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Posted - 2013.06.16 01:10:00 -
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PS2 is not dying
IWS I can handle your Fanboi comments for protecting this game, but blatantly lying just to bash a competing game is just pathetic.. even for you.
Just last night I did an air raid with about 150 people, which was organized with about 500-750 land troops |
Vin Vicious
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
133
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Posted - 2013.06.16 01:12:00 -
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Just cause you watched a bunch of YouTube videos of ps2 does not mean you know **** about that garbage. Actually want to know what ps2 is like through video. Go to that "day/night video" that scumbag keeps spamming and skip to the last two minutes of it. THAT'S PS2. They may as well trash PS2 and start making PS3. I believe ps2 will have a strong player base but much like dust it will rapidly fall, but the difference is PS2 will not have monthly/quarterly contain.
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Draco Dustflier
DUST University
Ivy League
68
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Posted - 2013.06.16 04:38:00 -
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Kalante Schiffer wrote:Draco Dustflier wrote:richiesutie 2 wrote:Right now PS2 only has 6,500 player according to steam, just thought i'd throw that out there. because the 5 million people that buy a ps4 on day one will pick a crappy game with broken core mechanics over battlefield on steroids. the only reason ps2 has a low player count is because it completely obliterates any computer that tries to run it. the ps4 will not have that problem. i expect over 500,000 players the first few weeks, then it will eventually drop to 100k and spike on a monthly basis. my point is, ps2 will step on dust like an ant. ps2 having over 500k people online? not even cod when it was the most overhyped game back in 2010 had over 500k people online in one day except when it was double xp weekend, the player count raised up to an stagering bullsh*t 700k people online on the ps3. i just love seeing all of these broken hypothesis at least try to be realistic about it.
it is free, and it will be advertised all over the menu for ps4. i wouldn't be surprised if it and blacklight retribution and warframe come preloaded on the console. pretty much anyone with ps4 and ps plus will try it out. |
Derek Shonnesey
Red and Silver Hand
Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2013.06.16 05:25:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:PS2 is not dying
IWS I can handle your Fanboi comments for protecting this game, but blatantly lying just to bash a competing game is just pathetic.. even for you.
Just last night I did an air raid with about 150 people, which was organized with about 500-750 land troops
Serious schitt IWS.
You are a liar and dont like planetside 2. Your fault. Every friday night ps2 holds massive and I mean massive battles yielding hundreds of players at certain points.. Not my fault you have a crummy pc and cant run with an organized group.
Planetside is a massive leap forward in online f2p games and you hate on it?
Absolutely insane. Thats what dust is insane, repeating the same actions expecting it to change.
Anyone standing up for dust over ps2 are just insane. Watch some videos for christ sake, compare anything and dust loses, pure and simple.
Iron wolf sabre is a liar, also. |
richiesutie 2
Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
43
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Posted - 2013.06.16 08:07:00 -
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Kitten Empress wrote:richiesutie 2 wrote:Right now PS2 only has 6,500 players online according to steam, just thought i'd throw that out there. Those are steam players. There are many more that use the PS2 client.
I was afraid of that but none the less it gives you a small idea on the player count. |
Hunter Fencen
ROGUE SPADES
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.06.16 09:03:00 -
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richiesutie 2 wrote:Kitten Empress wrote:richiesutie 2 wrote:Right now PS2 only has 6,500 players online according to steam, just thought i'd throw that out there. Those are steam players. There are many more that use the PS2 client. I was afraid of that but none the less it gives you a small idea on the player count.
The annoying thing is that even the ones on steam is higher than DUST, how could we change to combat this new problem to help DUST out? |
Kane Fyea
DUST University
Ivy League
318
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Posted - 2013.06.16 10:45:00 -
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Derek Shonnesey wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:PS2 is not dying
IWS I can handle your Fanboi comments for protecting this game, but blatantly lying just to bash a competing game is just pathetic.. even for you.
Just last night I did an air raid with about 150 people, which was organized with about 500-750 land troops Serious schitt IWS. You are a liar and dont like planetside 2. Your fault. Every friday night ps2 holds massive and I mean massive battles yielding hundreds of players at certain points.. Not my fault you have a crummy pc and cant run with an organized group. Planetside is a massive leap forward in online f2p games and you hate on it? Absolutely insane. Thats what dust is insane, repeating the same actions expecting it to change. Anyone standing up for dust over ps2 are just insane. Watch some videos for christ sake, compare anything and dust loses, pure and simple. Iron wolf sabre is a liar, also. Edit: this just in ps2 dev confirming your beastly pc is no match for the ps4 version. Watch and weep pc boys http://youtu.be/vHnL8Ud3rfc?t=12m50s
In one year after ps4 release the "PC boys" will have better graphics then you will on the ps4. |
EnglishSnake
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
1295
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Posted - 2013.06.16 11:28:00 -
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If PS2 was actually optimized then i would play it but tbh i now might aswell wait for it on the PS4 plus i hope it will work alot better
Its going to be my MAG replacement where you play with a bunch of stupid randoms and do **** all except pad your KDR because does the win matter? no course not you got for tea and log back in to see johnny randoms lost everything plus its quite a big grind in general |
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