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Aeon Amadi
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.15 09:56:00 -
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With allowing this game to spiral out of control..? I have to say, compared to the Eve community, this community is terrible. Not because it cant be civil or come to a cohesive agreement on anything but because it CHOOSES not to. There seem to be two kinds of players in this community and its the thinkers and the trollers. The thinkers explain their standpoint and provide evidence supporting their claim and the trollers respond with 'stop QQing and HTFU'.
Theres no constructive disagreement, theres no logical standpoints with which to consider another way of looking atthings, its just primitive grunts and echos of vague, offputting banter designed to destroy any semblance of a legitimate debate of ideals.
When a game like Warframe, stupid and simple as it may be with its lack of any competitive game modes, can achieve more civility and rational reasoning skills than the Dust 514 forums - I get disheartened. This game is only getting worse and lately im hard pressed to believe its the developers fault anymore because I know -for a ******* fact- theres going to be a stupid, unimaginative and uneducated troll comment SOMEWHERE in the following replies.
Yanno, its no wonder CCP decided to do away with transparency and stopped being communicative in what theyre working on when half of us cant even come to an agreement on something so stupid as whether or not Militia LAVs are too hard to kill. All the doomsayers, all the argumentative assholes who have nothing of value to say - just drooling out rambunctious jargon at the drop of a hat - its no wonder the Eve Online community cant take Dust 514 seriously and its nowonder the majority of Eve players want nothing to do with it.
Its a design that was good on paper and so far has just absolutely flopped - not because of the developers or the CPM or lack of funding/marketing etc... It flopped because 16 year old Johnny Nobody had access to the forums and couldnt come up with something better than a series of accronyms to convey his disapproval. |
Aeon Amadi
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
1540
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Posted - 2013.06.15 10:23:00 -
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Robert JD Niewiadomski wrote:It's because DUST is free to play and free to have "write" forum access. People simply abuse it instead to just go away. If somebody fares bad at EVE on trial account she simply doesn't upgrade her account, loose forum access and can't "contaminate" forums with her frustration about game. With anybody able to access DUST forum in "write" mode anytime people vent their anger unconstrained... We apparently can't appreciate "free to play" concept and will appreciate something costing us badly imho. This is something to do with maturity?
Thanks for posting this, at least gives reason to the madness. |
Aeon Amadi
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
1570
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Posted - 2013.06.18 05:55:00 -
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The irony in all of the comments stating im a fanboy is overflowing.
Iswear its like half of you have never read my posts absolutely condemning CCP over their poor execution and lack of action. Interestingly enough, the fact the community refuses to accept responsibility for proposing a variety of nerfs/buffs and receiving them, then - in pure childish demeanor - actually blames thedevelopers?
Yes, theyre at fault - but so are you. |
Aeon Amadi
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
1570
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Posted - 2013.06.18 06:29:00 -
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Badonk Adonk wrote:What exactly are you crying about Aeon?
Ccp are horrible at making a fps, many people find tnoo be entertaining.
You blame the community for unbalanced weapons....... i thought ccp were in charge?
Lol@people who still think dust will be anything other than irrelevant to the 99%.
Hardly, you misconstrue the message.
CCP arent the only ones at fault. The community proposes changes and the developers respond, after one year of Beta testing Ive seen this game get progressively worse and it surely wasnt because the developers intended for the game to be terrible. Hell, at one point Swarm Launchers were dumbfire and would have been great in concept saVe for the fact people were launching them at tyeir feet to get instant kills. Community says it needs to go, and now they lock on only to vehicles.
So whos at fault there? The devs for implementing a system they think is a better alternative, or the community for abusing it in its original conception?
And thatgoes for everything. A player in another thread says that if MCC AFKing is removed, the game will collapse because everyone will leave. Whos fault is that, exactly? The devs for trying to fix an obvious exploit or the community for being douchebags? |
Aeon Amadi
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
1572
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Posted - 2013.06.18 06:53:00 -
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Ludvig Enraga wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:The irony in all of the comments stating im a fanboy is overflowing.
Iswear its like half of you have never read my posts absolutely condemning CCP over their poor execution and lack of action. Interestingly enough, the fact the community refuses to accept responsibility for proposing a variety of nerfs/buffs and receiving them, then - in pure childish demeanor - actually blames thedevelopers?
Yes, theyre at fault - but so are you. You make it seem that all that community does is asking for nerfs and buffs to individual things. More often ppl are asking for reasonable stuff like: improve aiming, stop MCC AFKing, fix sticky terrain, add maps, add market, add a system where mercs actually are hired by EvE players to fight battles in EVE and not some parallel universe that has no bearing on the other game. I think you distort facts. If I understood your point, you are saying that the game sux because that's what the community requested in one way or another through QQ threads.
Again, youre reading things in a way theyre not supposed to be read. Im not saying the community is entirely atfault for everything, nor are the devs - both are for different things. Please try to understand that. |
Aeon Amadi
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
1574
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Posted - 2013.06.18 07:14:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Badonk Adonk wrote:What exactly are you crying about Aeon?
Ccp are horrible at making a fps, many people find tnoo be entertaining.
You blame the community for unbalanced weapons....... i thought ccp were in charge?
Lol@people who still think dust will be anything other than irrelevant to the 99%. Hardly, you misconstrue the message. CCP arent the only ones at fault. The community proposes changes and the developers respond, after one year of Beta testing Ive seen this game get progressively worse and it surely wasnt because the developers intended for the game to be terrible. Hell, at one point Swarm Launchers were dumbfire and would have been great in concept saVe for the fact people were launching them at tyeir feet to get instant kills. Community says it needs to go, and now they lock on only to vehicles. So whos at fault there? The devs for implementing a system they think is a better alternative, or the community for abusing it in its original conception? And thatgoes for everything. A player in another thread says that if MCC AFKing is removed, the game will collapse because everyone will leave. Whos fault is that, exactly? The devs for trying to fix an obvious exploit or the community for being douchebags? Everything you mentioned there is 100% CCP's fault.
I would sayits entirely subjective but feel free tocontinue thinking that way
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Aeon Amadi
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
1625
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Posted - 2013.06.21 17:09:00 -
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Setaceous Prime wrote:PonyClause Rex wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:With allowing this game to spiral out of control..? I have to say, compared to the Eve community, this community is terrible. Stopped reading This would be the reason this community is terrible - short attention spans
Think he stopped readingbecause he disagreed right from the get go and expected to read more like it from the rest. How wrong he was. |
Aeon Amadi
Unkn0wn Killers
1630
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Posted - 2013.06.24 14:42:00 -
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Terry Turner wrote:mikegunnz wrote:Not sure if this has been mentioned (I only read the OP)
There will always be both ppl who are constructive and others who troll. Half the ppl who NOW troll, used to be constructive. They just gave up, because CCP is sinking this game into the toilet. Sad but true. Bad threads keep surfacing. Wonder if the planetside 2 bomber has anything to do with it.
Honestly, just goes to show easy people crack. Why stop being constructive? Because you werent instantly given what youwanted? Keep being constructive or youre pretty much becoming the exact people I was originally referring to in the first post. |
Aeon Amadi
Unkn0wn Killers
1635
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Posted - 2013.06.25 00:16:00 -
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Altina McAlterson wrote:You're right, the players are not at fault in anyway.
Right from the start players set about finding glitches and exploitable game mechanics. When found CCP was immediately alerted and players actively avoided using the exploit in order to test out the rest of the content in the game.
Sp spent on offense was very diverse with each weapon being used at some point by most players to get a real feel for how they would work in tandem with each other. Maxing out any broken or OP weapon or exploiting a glitch for the sole purpose of boosting your stats, even though they would be erased soon, was unheard of on the battlefield. Because of this CCP was able to consistently get an accurate picture of what needed work that would have been impossible if players only used things already known to be broken/OP.
Very few people jumped on the tank badwagon for example. Teams would limit vehicles to one or two a match. Also even though the AV path was not one of glory and fame a large number of players trained up their AV skills, ensuring any decision made about balance would be based on sufficiently skilled builds. Militia anti-armor fits fell out of use as players leveled up to more advanced gear. Teamwork was also being used as players we comfortable working together as a group in order to complete objectives or destroy vehicles. As a result tanks are perfectly balanced and are thriving currently in the game.
CCP dropped the ball big time on this several times but you can all get over yourselves if you think that none of this is our fault just because we weren't the ones writing the code. Hell, a lot of this comes from Sony requiring approval for hanges so the only way CCP can really do it is to make all the changes at one time but that's the worst way in the world to troubleshoot.
CCP isn't the first company to set it's sights too high only to fall short. And it won't be the last. Hopefully they'll pull it together but it's looking like it's just more than they can handle. Common mistake, but that doesn't make the failures any less catastrophic.
No. The players did not avoid using exploits. Youre entirely wrong about that because those were the things thatgot fixed, for better orworse.
Dumbfire+no friendly fire swarm launchers Thukker contact grenade spam (back when it had 6m splash) Suryas/Forge Guns one shotting RDVs (I practically invented this tactic) LAV repping for Orbitals Sharpshooter allowing Assault Rifles (Gallente) to fire at 100+m
Thats just to name a few. Then there was the tactical rifle, and now Caldari Logis. Just because youwant to believe no one exploited it to bend the truth in favor of your argument. There are issues CCP needs to fix but when you have players (you know who you are and so do we) who harass dev by misconstruing theirposts or ignoring themcompletely, the devs move on to player corporation websites for feedback.
Yeah, its a definite conflict of interest going outside the dust forums for feedback but why the hell would you want to stick around when all the players do is quote you saying, "Why are you working on this? Work on my issues first"
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Aeon Amadi
Unkn0wn Killers
1635
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Posted - 2013.06.25 14:36:00 -
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Altina McAlterson wrote:Abron Garr wrote:Is this your first Beta forum? I'm not trying to be facetious. As FPS games go, this is pretty standard. As far as I'm concerned, GPD is a place for players to whine and vent. Feedback & Requests is where I'm sure most devs spend their time, or at least, should spend most of their time. If you're going to get upset because someone made a whine, angry, or nerf thread on GPD you might as well go dumpster your PC right now. I know the DEVs are going to look at the feedback section but that wasn't for the DEVs it was for the other players. Why am I throwing my computer away? Who's upset about any particular post? 8 months ago I made a satirical thread warning that if everyone kept on with the endless nerf threads we'd end up with only one or two working weapons and the entire game nerfed to the point where it isn't even fun anymore. And once that happens all those players that whined and cried endlessly about crap being OP will call CCP idiots for nerfing things that didn't need it, blame them for everything and quit playing. I know that's not a shock because I've seen it before. But at least I tried to stop it even though you know it's going to happen anyway. And now I'll draw some consolation from having watched exactly what I said would happen, happen.
What, you want some martyrdom trophy for doing what we all did? Its our job to harass the **** out ofthe stupid ideas, a lot of people forget that. Someone says gstupid in voice comms, youre supposed to tell them how it is.
What we SHOULD NOT DO is consolidate all of the whining and bitching on the forums and Complain to CCP. The only reason thats happened is because you have entire corporations who all feel they know whats best for the game and wantto neuter it because theyre all listening to eachother rather than sensible human beings who dont cherry coat bull ****.
No human being ever said Militia LAVs were underpowered, but some idiot said "All Vehicles Are Broken" and "All AV is OP" and now we have murder taxis everywhere. Why? Because no one said otherwise. No one stoppedthem and said, "No, youre wrong, THESE vehicles are broken."
Notgoing on because its insanely hard totype on a tablet in these forums. |
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