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          Charlotte O'Dell 
          Molon Labe. League of Infamy
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        Posted - 2013.06.15 01:17:00 -
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          Yes it was a wirykomi and yes I was in a madrugar, but there is absolutely no way in hell any armor tank, no matter how fit, can survive that. I'm not asking for a nerf, I'm asking for ADV and PRO tanks to counter it. | 
      
      
      
          
          Hobo on Fire 
          Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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        Posted - 2013.06.15 01:46:00 -
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          Proto swarm is 330 damage per missile, x 6 missiles per shot for 1980 total damage if they all hit. Proficiency 5 could bring that up to 2277, but even with a stack of complex damage mods I don't think you'll crack 3k damage per salvo. If you took nearly 10k in damage, either something glitched hard or you got hit by multiple weapons at the same time. Or you're counting somebody shooting you 4 or 5 times in a row, in which case you should have moved to cover. | 
      
      
      
          
          ladwar 
          Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
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        Posted - 2013.06.15 01:49:00 -
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          super rendering to OHK | 
      
      
      
          
          Tankin Tarkus 
          Quafe Runners
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        Posted - 2013.06.15 03:39:00 -
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          what is that? | 
      
      
      
          
          develsgun 
          uptown456
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        Posted - 2013.06.15 06:38:00 -
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          Hobo on Fire wrote:Proto swarm is 330 damage per missile, x 6 missiles per shot for 1980 total damage if they all hit. Proficiency 5 could bring that up to 2277, but even with a stack of complex damage mods I don't think you'll crack 3k damage per salvo. If you took nearly 10k in damage, either something glitched hard or you got hit by multiple weapons at the same time. 
  Or you're counting somebody shooting you 4 or 5 times in a row and adding it all up, in which case you should have moved to cover.   Have to agree with the goon | 
      
      
      
          
          Musta Tornius 
          Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
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        Posted - 2013.06.15 07:26:00 -
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          Don't forget the sweet spot on the tanks for extra damage, but it wouldn't be that high even with everything factored. | 
      
      
      
          
          Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe 
          Planetary Response Organisation
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        Posted - 2013.06.15 08:35:00 -
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          Hobo on Fire wrote:Proto swarm is 330 damage per missile, x 6 missiles per shot for 1980 total damage if they all hit. Proficiency 5 could bring that up to 2277, but even with a stack of complex damage mods I don't think you'll crack 3k damage per salvo. If you took nearly 10k in damage, either something glitched hard or you got hit by multiple weapons at the same time. 
  Or you're counting somebody shooting you 4 or 5 times in a row and adding it all up, in which case you should have moved to cover.   With stacking penalties, and assuming 4x damage mods, we're looking at 2959.1892 damage per volley. If all six missiles hit the weak spot we'd be looking at 5947.970292 damage per volley. As we all know 5947 >= 9860. | 
      
      
      
          
          Charlotte O'Dell 
          Molon Labe. League of Infamy
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        Posted - 2013.06.15 08:36:00 -
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          I don't know how, but it said "9860" from Wirykomi Swarm Launcher right after he killed me. I didn't believe it at first because there is no weapon that can bring a tank from 6870 to 0 in one hit, but it happened, according to the data from the kill screen. I'm really hoping this is a glitch bc if it isn't, proto tanks will need 40,000EHP to counter that. | 
      
      
      
          
          Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe 
          Planetary Response Organisation
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        Posted - 2013.06.15 08:40:00 -
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          I'm pretty sure that's the sum of all the damage your killer did. Is it possible you encountered this person more than once that match? | 
      
      
      
          
          RedRebelCork 
          Ahrendee Mercenaries Omega Commission
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        Posted - 2013.06.15 08:40:00 -
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          Charlotte O'Dell wrote:I don't know how, but it said "9860" from Wirykomi Swarm Launcher right after he killed me. I didn't believe it at first because there is no weapon that can bring a tank from 6870 to 0 in one hit, but it happened, according to the data from the kill screen. I'm really hoping this is a glitch bc if it isn't, proto tanks will need 40,000EHP to counter that.  
  Had he been hitting you in the same tank previous to the kill shot? It may have accumulated all damage inflicted by him against you in that life. | 
      
      
      
          
          shaman oga 
          Nexus Balusa Horizon DARKSTAR ARMY
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        Posted - 2013.06.15 09:49:00 -
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          invisible swarms | 
      
      
      
          
          Eurydice Itzhak 
          Militaires Sans Jeux
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        Posted - 2013.06.15 12:00:00 -
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          I took the numbers from Hobo as "correct" at 
  2275 for proffeciency 5 proto swarms.
  This means with 3 dmg mods, against armor, in your fuel tank in the back, he would hit a swarm for 8595 dmg. 
  So with some quick math assuming his numbers are true, including stacking penalties, we get a number not TOO far from your own. I'm guessing there was an AV grenade in there or one/two missiles of an earlier volley got through and then you ate one direct one.
  That dmg is still ridiculous enough to oneshot almost any tank. | 
      
      
      
          
          The Rohypnol Kid 
          Russell's mum.com
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        Posted - 2013.06.15 12:28:00 -
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          My swarm launcher goes up to 11 | 
      
      
      
          
          Benari Kalidima 
          Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
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        Posted - 2013.06.15 12:45:00 -
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          Well, you're not supposed to be able to tank swarm launchers, they are anti-tank after all. Overpowered though? Maybe somewhat. But in most games I only counter tanks which are overpowered. | 
      
      
      
          
          Hobo on Fire 
          Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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        Posted - 2013.06.15 15:07:00 -
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          Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe wrote:I'm pretty sure that's the sum of all the damage your killer did. Is it possible you encountered this person more than once that match?  
  I'm really thinking this is the case. The killer did 9860 damage to the tank between all the missiles he fired, totaled up. Factoring in how much your shields recharged or armor repaired between shots, it could easily take that much to kill even a low end tank. I've had games where I've inflicted 50k+ damage over the course of a match where I was mostly just plinking away at tanks/dropships with swarms, and not actually gotten any kills because the targets kept slipping away and repairing before I finished them off. | 
      
      
      
          
          EXASTRA INVICTAS 
          Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
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        Posted - 2013.06.15 15:27:00 -
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          Hobo on Fire wrote:Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe wrote:I'm pretty sure that's the sum of all the damage your killer did. Is it possible you encountered this person more than once that match?  I'm really thinking this is the case. The killer did 9860 damage to the tank between all the missiles he fired, totaled up. Factoring in how much your shields recharged or armor repaired between shots, it could easily take that much to kill even a low end tank. I've had games where I've inflicted 50k+ damage over the course of a match where I was mostly just plinking away at tanks/dropships with swarms, and not actually gotten any kills because the targets kept slipping away and repairing before I finished them off.   Okay, so what about remote explosives doing 2000 damage to my Dropsuit with >500 EHP, though? | 
      
      
      
          
          CYRAX SERVIUS 
          The Generals EoN.
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        Posted - 2013.06.15 16:25:00 -
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          Tanks are broken right now, face it. | 
      
      
      
          
          Charlotte O'Dell 
          Molon Labe. League of Infamy
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        Posted - 2013.06.16 00:23:00 -
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          CYRAX SERVIUS wrote:Tanks are broken right now, face it.  
  Not tanks, so much as not having adv and pro tanks | 
      
      
      
          
          Charlotte O'Dell 
          Molon Labe. League of Infamy
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        Posted - 2013.06.16 00:23:00 -
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          Eurydice Itzhak wrote:I took the numbers from Hobo as "correct" at 
  2275 for proffeciency 5 proto swarms.
  This means with 3 dmg mods, against armor, in your fuel tank in the back, he would hit a swarm for 8595 dmg. 
  So with some quick math assuming his numbers are true, including stacking penalties, we get a number not TOO far from your own. I'm guessing there was an AV grenade in there or one/two missiles of an earlier volley got through and then you ate one direct one.
  That dmg is still ridiculous enough to oneshot almost any tank.   
  That is scary. I didn't even know it was possible. | 
      
      
      
          
          Iron Wolf Saber 
          Den of Swords
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        Posted - 2013.06.16 01:27:00 -
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          WBT Video. | 
      
      
      
          
          Eurydice Itzhak 
          Militaires Sans Jeux
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        Posted - 2013.06.16 01:39:00 -
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          Iron Wolf Saber wrote:WBT Video.   
 
  Do you mean WTB?
  I can't think of a single acronym that makes sense for "WBT video." | 
      
      
      
          
          Void Echo 
          Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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        Posted - 2013.06.16 03:02:00 -
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          Charlotte O'Dell wrote:I don't know how, but it said "9860" from Wirykomi Swarm Launcher right after he killed me. I didn't believe it at first because there is no weapon that can bring a tank from 6870 to 0 in one hit, but it happened, according to the data from the kill screen. I'm really hoping this is a glitch bc if it isn't, proto tanks will need 40,000EHP to counter that.  
 
  oh there are plenty of things that can do that, there just not common to use | 
      
      
      
          
          Void Echo 
          Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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        Posted - 2013.06.16 03:04:00 -
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          Charlotte O'Dell wrote:CYRAX SERVIUS wrote:Tanks are broken right now, face it.  Not tanks, so much as not having adv and pro tanks  
  go up against a well fit tank with standard AV gear and tell me the same afterwards | 
      
      
      
          
          Charlotte O'Dell 
          Molon Labe. League of Infamy
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        Posted - 2013.06.16 03:11:00 -
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          Why don't we remove STD, MLT, and ADV. AV and just reclassify proto as std av BC of the inevitable AV buff if we ever get adv and pro tanks. | 
      
      
      
          
          Rusty Shallows 
          Black Jackals
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        Posted - 2013.06.16 04:59:00 -
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          Eurydice Itzhak wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:WBT Video.   Do you mean WTB? I can't think of a single acronym that makes sense for "WBT video."   Want To Buy | 
      
      
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