DUST Search - [Suggestion] on how to make the game more casual friendly GÇª

Daedric Lothar wrote:

Forlorn Destrier wrote:

Well here is another flaw in your logic.

Casual Eve players have 1 account, an earn SP for one toon. Hardcore Eve players have multiple accounts. The gap still exists (albeit a gap of a different nature than Dust's gap).

Bottom line: you can't fix everything (even if I were to agree it's broken, which I don't). The hardcore players should be rewarded for being hardcore. CCP's goal is to make money. If you don't reward the people most likely spend money, then they are the ones that go away, and now you aren't making "ISK" in the real world. CCP is a business - businesses make money. Don't take rewards away from players who are the reason the game stays alive. That is what people as asking to do ultimately - "I have less and want more, so take it from the guy who has more instead of me doing something to make more myself".

If you can't/don't play often, there no reason you should be rewarded for it by making the competition weaker.

And let me clarify - I am a casual player.

Aha, now I see a flaw in your logic, you believe that "If you don't reward the people most likely spend money," .

Why do you believe the Hardcore are the ones more likely to spend $$? In EVE the Hardcore are the ones who grind isk to buy plex, and so they don't spend any money. The casuals are the ones who pay for their own account and who also buy plex for ISK to pay for the grinder. The casuals pay for both themselves and the hardcore, because you can't make money to spend in the CCP store sitting there playing your playstation in a dark room for 17 hours a day, well... You can spend your allowance

And so, as I was saying. the game needs to cater to casuals. Because you sir, as a casual.. are more likely to spend money to catch up to the harcore.

[Edit[: As a casual EVE player, I buy Plex instead of farming. I give CCP $$. I however have not spent much in the Dust store because I don't feel that Dust gives me the experience that I want to pay for. Passive booster are 2 expensive for what you get and I don't have time for Active boosters which will expire without me ever getting to use them. I did buy some of the nice blueprints, but I don't spend much on AUR items per use because the return of fun is very low compared to the money. However I did buy alot of Contact Grenades and the Gallente LAV, because those items have a good fun return on investment. If CCP nerfs the murder taxi however, I will be out of the Gallente LAV buying business.


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meri jin Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 46	Posted - 2013.06.14 11:01:00 - [1] - Quote ...without destroying the already existing things. I have read a lot of demands for a double SP weekend, and IGÇÖm asking you to never do this! These weekends will only serve the most active players, casual players wonGÇÖt find simply the time to benefit from this event, and will lose even more on the GÇ£SP warGÇ¥, the gap will only grow bigger. But, I have a suggestion for you dear CCP if you ever like to plan something. Here are some point where both the hard core and casual gamer will find profit: a) A double/triple passive SP weekend b) You just give us for example 50000 SP. (easiest way) c) A weekend with multiplayer on active / passive sp. Like 1.1/1.5 d) And this is my most favorite way. Sadly it requests some work from your side. You will need to imply a new column in your oracle database tables ;). Static Bonus SP! How does it sound? Let me explain. At the end of every match, we get some SP somehow based on the WP we just earn, and we get the most SP from the Bonus SP which restore themselves every week. Now there will be another column, a static SP amount, which you gave us. This SP donGÇÖt refill after a time, only if you gave them to us. Like: GÇ£sorry for this extended down time, the cleaning woman somehow washed the serversGÇªGÇ¥ If this SP value is depleted, well than thatGÇÖs it no more SP from this source. This way we still have to earn the "sorry/event" SP but they donGÇÖt GÇ£run away/time outGÇ¥ they can even stack. I would call them the real GÇ£bonus SPGÇ¥ and the other ones GÇ£weekly SPGÇ¥. If the active skillbooster should impact on the new and static bonus SP is for you to decide, but I guess no? Talking about active skillboosters, I have an idea how to add a casual skillbooster. This skillboster would use the new column I described in point d). Buying and injecting this skillbooster would refill this column and start a cooldown like one day, 3 days, 7 days and 30 days. Depending on the size of the booster. The cool down is used for not boosting this new column in to oblivion and using the other active skillboosters. This way you still need to earn the new SP, but without them timing out. Of course the new boosters canGÇÖt give you potentially as many SP as the existing right now. Right? As it is right now, I can never predict if I can put an active skillbooster to use. Not even the 3 Days, because I canGÇÖt plan the 3 days ahead. Maybe other have the same problem? So what do you guys think about this? Please like if you like and more important, join the conversation.
meri jin Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 56	Posted - 2013.06.28 15:55:00 - [2] - Quote bumb
meri jin Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 56	Posted - 2013.06.28 16:11:00 - [3] - Quote Daedric Lothar wrote: No... Most casuals are Weekend Warriors. The game should support people actively playing on the weekend and gaining passive growth during the week. I wouldn't mind seeing a Rest bar, the more you don't play, when you do play you basically get 2x-3x XP. Make it so Weekend Warriors ALWAYS get bonus XP. I'm not talking about a rest bar, this is not world of warcraft man. I'm speaking about a "evenbar", ccp can refill it whenever they like it. Me and my friends are casual players, the weekend is the time where we have the least time of the whole week, things need to be done on the week end you cant do during the week.
meri jin Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 56	Posted - 2013.06.28 16:35:00 - [4] - Quote Daedric Lothar wrote: meri jin wrote: Daedric Lothar wrote: No... Most casuals are Weekend Warriors. The game should support people actively playing on the weekend and gaining passive growth during the week. I wouldn't mind seeing a Rest bar, the more you don't play, when you do play you basically get 2x-3x XP. Make it so Weekend Warriors ALWAYS get bonus XP. I'm not talking about a rest bar, this is not world of warcraft man. I'm speaking about a "evenbar", ccp can refill it whenever they like it. Me and my friends are casual players, the weekend is the time where we have the least time of the whole week, things need to be done on the week end you cant do during the week. Whats wrong with WoW? They had over 10 million paying players, thats alot cooler then Dust 3,000,000 Dusties on a F2P game. Sounds like you could benefit most from a Rest bar. You gain rest over the weekend when you don't play and then have some extra incentive to log in and kill people during the week. Ok ok, how about this. We make my idea of a event bar and your idea of rest bar, one single bar. This bar works fully automatic, and CCP can add some SP on this new bar if they feel the need.
meri jin Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 56	Posted - 2013.06.28 16:50:00 - [5] - Quote @Forlorn Destrier You seems not to understand my friend. Let me explain it one more time: For example, just for example You would earn about EXTRA 200k of SP on the 3SP weekend. Because its a event. Now, just imagine, you have one bar, this bar cant be filled other than by CCP in my original idea. Now we don't get the 3SP weekends, instate CCP as cool as they are, just feel up the eventbar with 200k SP. You still need to earn them, but this SP not timeout at last not in one weekend. As you do matches, you should imagine it like this: SP gain = Normal SP + (2*Normal) You gain the SP from the brackets as long as there are SP in your eventbat.
meri jin Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 56	Posted - 2013.06.28 17:13:00 - [6] - Quote Forlorn Destrier wrote: meri jin wrote: @Forlorn Destrier You seems not to understand my friend. Let me explain it one more time: For example, just for example You would earn about EXTRA 200k of SP on the 3SP weekend. Because its a event. Now, just imagine, you have one bar, this bar cant be filled other than by CCP in my original idea. Now we don't get the 3SP weekends, instate CCP as cool as they are, just feel up the eventbar with 200k SP. You still need to earn them, but this SP not timeout at last not in one weekend. As you do matches, you should imagine it like this: SP gain = Normal SP + (2*Normal) You gain the SP from the brackets as long as there are SP in your eventbat. I am opposed to the idea of "closing the gap" between newer players and veteran players, and it is neither logical nor practical. My dispute is not with the mecahics of the idea (which I appreciate you put a lot of time to develop). I disagree with the underlying premise and reason you felt this is necessary. Yes ok, but you still need to earn this points. And I'm ok with the idea to limit the evenbar for example 200k SP. This way you cant create a account, and sell it with 2mil "event sp", this sp still needs to be earned, but this high staking could be avoided. how about this?
meri jin Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 56	Posted - 2013.06.28 17:35:00 - [7] - Quote I would like not to pay for SP, but that is another topic :D. Talking about my "even bar" the formula I show above is just an example. CCP can for example decide that the even sp would not be allied by the multiplication of 2, and make it 1,25. This way you will need a little longer to earn all the "even bar sp".
meri jin Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 56	Posted - 2013.06.28 18:00:00 - [8] - Quote Oso Peresoso wrote: passive SP is passive. How is making passive SP on weekends anything but completely pointless? What you're really just saying is to increase the passive SP period. Also, I don't see what giving out more SP does to attract casual players. well, there seems to be a lot of things which you don't see ... @Forlorn Destrier My Idea will make the game more casual friendly, not hardcore unfriendly. You should read the whole topic. I try to explain it several times. With my suggestion the points still needs to be earned.
meri jin Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 56	Posted - 2013.06.28 18:43:00 - [9] - Quote Daedric Lothar wrote: Forlorn Destrier wrote: Well here is another flaw in your logic. Casual Eve players have 1 account, an earn SP for one toon. Hardcore Eve players have multiple accounts. The gap still exists (albeit a gap of a different nature than Dust's gap). Bottom line: you can't fix everything (even if I were to agree it's broken, which I don't). The hardcore players should be rewarded for being hardcore. CCP's goal is to make money. If you don't reward the people most likely spend money, then they are the ones that go away, and now you aren't making "ISK" in the real world. CCP is a business - businesses make money. Don't take rewards away from players who are the reason the game stays alive. That is what people as asking to do ultimately - "I have less and want more, so take it from the guy who has more instead of me doing something to make more myself". If you can't/don't play often, there no reason you should be rewarded for it by making the competition weaker. And let me clarify - I am a casual player. Aha, now I see a flaw in your logic, you believe that "If you don't reward the people most likely spend money," . Why do you believe the Hardcore are the ones more likely to spend $$? In EVE the Hardcore are the ones who grind isk to buy plex, and so they don't spend any money. The casuals are the ones who pay for their own account and who also buy plex for ISK to pay for the grinder. The casuals pay for both themselves and the hardcore, because you can't make money to spend in the CCP store sitting there playing your playstation in a dark room for 17 hours a day, well... You can spend your allowance And so, as I was saying. the game needs to cater to casuals. Because you sir, as a casual.. are more likely to spend money to catch up to the harcore. [Edit[: As a casual EVE player, I buy Plex instead of farming. I give CCP $$. I however have not spent much in the Dust store because I don't feel that Dust gives me the experience that I want to pay for. Passive booster are 2 expensive for what you get and I don't have time for Active boosters which will expire without me ever getting to use them. I did buy some of the nice blueprints, but I don't spend much on AUR items per use because the return of fun is very low compared to the money. However I did buy alot of Contact Grenades and the Gallente LAV, because those items have a good fun return on investment. If CCP nerfs the murder taxi however, I will be out of the Gallente LAV buying business. I would pay only for the kind of active sp booster I suggested, in my opening contribution. active SP only a fix amount, otherwise the normal active SP bosster could run out without me ever using it. Btw, what are you guys think about this? https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=90238&find=unread
meri jin Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 58	Posted - 2013.06.29 17:14:00 - [10] - Quote bumb

meri jin Goonfeet 65	Posted - 2013.07.04 10:46:00 - [11] - Quote Update on the 3xSP event example.
meri jin Goonfeet 65	Posted - 2013.07.04 11:32:00 - [12] - Quote Rinzler XVIII wrote: Daedric Lothar wrote: meri jin wrote: Daedric Lothar wrote: No... Most casuals are Weekend Warriors. The game should support people actively playing on the weekend and gaining passive growth during the week. I wouldn't mind seeing a Rest bar, the more you don't play, when you do play you basically get 2x-3x XP. Make it so Weekend Warriors ALWAYS get bonus XP. I'm not talking about a rest bar, this is not world of warcraft man. I'm speaking about a "evenbar", ccp can refill it whenever they like it. Me and my friends are casual players, the weekend is the time where we have the least time of the whole week, things need to be done on the week end you cant do during the week. Whats wrong with WoW? They had over 10 million paying players, thats alot cooler then Dust 3,000,000 Dusties on a F2P game. Sounds like you could benefit most from a Rest bar. You gain rest over the weekend when you don't play and then have some extra incentive to log in and kill people during the week. There aren't 3m Dusties, that's probably the most delusional claim i've seen on these boards ... 3m Dusties yet on wednesday the server peaked at 4k ppl playing .. yeah .. 3m player base .. ROFLMAO I think he mean the average number of players in a successful egoshooter on a console.