http://www.ign.com/videos/2013/06/13/final-fantasy-xiv-a-realm-reborn-gameplay-demo-ign-live-e3-2013

Listen to the first few minutes and what he talks about. Also remember the they turned off FF and pushed it back into alpha testing because it wasn't good enough.

This is the only thing that will save dust from itself (not hiring cute girls)

http://www.ign.com/videos/2013/06/13/final-fantasy-xiv-a-realm-reborn-gameplay-demo-ign-live-e3-2013

Listen to the first few minutes and what he talks about. Also remember the they turned off FF and pushed it back into alpha testing because it wasn't good enough.

This is the only thing that will save dust from itself (not hiring cute girls)

I was there for the FFXIV beta, it was so bad that SE had to put highly anticipated games like Deus Ex (funny in hindsight) on hold to fix that mess. They even extended the free trial indefinitely to try and keep people playing. Dust 514 is nowhere near as bad as the original incarnation of that game was and the only reason why it went back to beta was because SE is circling the drain.

I was talking about the communication specifically not which game was worse in beta.

I was talking about the communication specifically not which game was worse in beta.

http://www.ign.com/videos/2013/06/13/final-fantasy-xiv-a-realm-reborn-gameplay-demo-ign-live-e3-2013

Listen to the first few minutes and what he talks about. Also remember the they turned off FF and pushed it back into alpha testing because it wasn't good enough.

This is the only thing that will save dust from itself (not hiring cute girls)

You mean SE's communication skills they finally picked up after trolling the community after unleashing a 36 hour boss fight, an unbeatable notorius monster, and permabanning hundreds of paid subscribers for exploiting a known glitch back in FFXI? Yeah, I don't want CCP to learn anything from SE.

Don't get me wrong though, OP. I see the point you're trying to make, but from my experiences with SE, they're a horrible example to base that point on.

Here here, this is a pretty bad example. And their forums are almost entirely absent of trolls...because they clear them. Plus we're talking responses that are more of subtle suggestions and threads that are about a sliver the quantity of Dust 514 (and Eve's) size to filter through...and they still manage to respond and communicate...

honestly, I've never played a game with more personal community support. Even some of the best indie games get less love than Dust gets on it's forums.

As for advertising, I totally agree...it's CCP's greatest flaw. They've just always been horrible at advertising. Honestly, that Eve: Origins trailer was about the best thing I've ever seen them pull off. ^^

Don't get me wrong though, OP. I see the point you're trying to make, but from my experiences with SE, they're a horrible example to base that point on.

Have you been here for 14 months and seen every new player bring the same issues and complaints? Did you notice that cpm ironwolf honestly told us that CCP shanghai that is responsible for most of the dust dev work has no interest in listening, our feedback, communication with us.

I was around eve before and after incarna and I see how the eve side of the house has become so much better. Dare I say they do a pretty good job. The dust side could give a **** about what feedback and we can see what a **** job they do when its just up to them. It's like they don't even play the game

Past tense mind you.
It's complicated ordeal but one way to put it is that some devs are afraid to open up to you guys.
Its one of the main tasks of the cpm though is to increase the value of opening up dialoge even if nothing useful comes out it like that sky spawning discussion months back.

Forums do get read. @%%&posting is very harmful to the feedback process. Swarm posting is just as bad. But good well discussed posts are goldmines the devs love.