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Kitten Empress
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.06.13 17:13:00 -
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And yet I'm moving like one.
I have half the eHP they have, and yet I'm moving at their speed.
Shield tanks strafe me all day and I just can't do anything.
You all know how easy targets heavies are.
-Sincerely , an armor tanker.
And before you bring up Flux grenades, Locus grenades kill even proto gallente suits without a problem, while Flux grenades never kill you. |
Kitten Empress
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
538
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Posted - 2013.06.13 17:36:00 -
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Its like Gallente are supposed to be mini heavies...
Only even worse. |
Kitten Empress
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
538
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Posted - 2013.06.13 17:37:00 -
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Sgt Buttscratch wrote:Speed doesn't bother me, rep speed and flaylocks do(most talentless gun i have ever seen)
These are big problems yes.
But try to fit two complex armor plates.
You'll see how much it hurts.
I go at 3m/s walking and 5m/s sprinting, just like a heavy. |
Kitten Empress
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
539
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Posted - 2013.06.13 19:50:00 -
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Terra Thesis wrote:Novawolf McDustingham The514th wrote:I will not be trolled in this fashion... huh? caldari medium with shield buffer recharges at 25 hp/s after a short delay. gallente medium with reps reps at 20+ hps a second non stop, PLUS the 20 hp/s recharge after a slightly longer delay. you can't dismiss that with just "shield recharges faster than armor reps". armor tanks get both stats. i never played a squid so i assume they keep one rep to top of their armor. on the other hand, my gallente used shield extenders in the highs.
So question.
Armor needs to fill its slots with armor reps to get 25hp/s. That's including the skill
Shields get 25hp/s without any mods. That's not including the skill.
That means shields get the same rep while having probably 4 times the HP.
How is that fair?
There is no combination of armor and repairers that makes it work, shields always come out on top.
The 4 seconds delay is nothing, its garbage, even the 10 seconds one doesn't make much of a difference.
You have obviously either never armor tanked or you are a shield tanker who uses a basic armor rep to fix the bad part of your suit that you don't want. |
Kitten Empress
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
539
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Posted - 2013.06.13 20:01:00 -
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Terra Thesis wrote:Kitten Empress wrote:
So question.
Armor needs to fill its slots with armor reps to get 25hp/s. That's including the skill
Shields get 25hp/s without any mods. That's not including the skill.
That means shields get the same rep while having probably 4 times the HP.
How is that fair?
There is no combination of armor and repairers that makes it work, shields always come out on top.
You have obviously either never armor tanked or you are a shield tanker who uses a basic armor rep to fix the bad part of your suit that you don't want.
seriously? i just explained this in the post you are quoting.
Tell me dear, how am I supposed to fit all of this on my suit?
Complex armor reps really strech my suit out.
And its not like I'm a shield tanker who can use CPU/PG upgrades.
Also, that's called dual tanking, anyone can do that.
We're talking about pure armor tanking, like pure shield tanking. |
Kitten Empress
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
539
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Posted - 2013.06.13 20:03:00 -
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Terra Thesis wrote:DJINN Marauder wrote:Then youre not armor tanking... Youre dual tanking.
Armor tank = no shields.. Just armor You can't have no shields. it's impossible. everyone gets the shield recharge. you can't just cry about others having shield recharge and then ignore that you have it. "waaah, why do i have half the dps as this guy?" "uh you have the same dps" "i don't count the even bullets. based on my odd bullets the math show i have 50% of the dps..."
So question.
Where do I need the recharge more?
On my shields having 150 hp with maxed skills?
Or my armor having 262 hp with maxed skills?
What do you think am I supposed to use?
The slot layout is clearly design for armor, heck Militia Gallente don't have medium slots AT ALL. |
Kitten Empress
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
540
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Posted - 2013.06.13 20:20:00 -
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Terra Thesis wrote:Kitten Empress wrote:Tell me dear, how am I supposed to fit all of this on my suit?
Complex armor reps really strech my suit out.
And its not like I'm a shield tanker who can use CPU/PG upgrades.
Also, that's called dual tanking, anyone can do that.
We're talking about pure armor tanking, like pure shield tanking. i won't argue on the fitting. complex reps are tough to fit. you have to compromise somewhere. i kept my highs light. let's not get hung up on the dual tanking. the shield extenders don't change the hp/s numbers. take them off if it bothers you. and if you want to compare to "pure" shields, well half of them would be running around with chunks of hp missing because they don't have a rep.
I can see from the portrait you're a minmatar.
You obviously don't understand.
You fit extenders on your suit and put armor reps on the low slots and call it a day.
Problem is, we can't do that, our suits are not designed for shields, unlike Minmatar and Caldari ones. |
Kitten Empress
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
541
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Posted - 2013.06.13 20:34:00 -
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Numot MTG wrote:Kitten Empress wrote:Terra Thesis wrote:Kitten Empress wrote:
So question.
Armor needs to fill its slots with armor reps to get 25hp/s. That's including the skill
Shields get 25hp/s without any mods. That's not including the skill.
That means shields get the same rep while having probably 4 times the HP.
How is that fair?
There is no combination of armor and repairers that makes it work, shields always come out on top.
You have obviously either never armor tanked or you are a shield tanker who uses a basic armor rep to fix the bad part of your suit that you don't want.
seriously? i just explained this in the post you are quoting. Tell me dear, how am I supposed to fit all of this on my suit? Complex armor reps really strech my suit out. And its not like I'm a shield tanker who can use CPU/PG upgrades. Also, that's called dual tanking, anyone can do that. We're talking about pure armor tanking, like pure shield tanking. It is pure armor tanking you idiot, check this little thing called BASE STATS.Everyone, regardless of build, has a base shield regen. It is always there. Pick any dropsuit you want, it has shield regen built in. There for when you build pure armor by you still have you base shield regen on top of the armor regen you now have. By you logic everything is a dual tank. I can build all shield, but omg, what is this red hp bar, no, its armor, I am a dual tank because I have a shield and armor. Oh wait everybody has that by default. Now then, stfu or show me a dropsuit with no shield.
I won't even bother making a fool of you, because you already made a fool of yourself. |
Kitten Empress
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
541
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Posted - 2013.06.13 20:44:00 -
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Terra Thesis wrote:Kitten Empress wrote:I can see from the portrait you're a minmatar.
You obviously don't understand.
You fit extenders on your suit and put armor reps on the low slots and call it a day.
Problem is, we can't do that, our suits are not designed for shields, unlike Minmatar and Caldari ones. I've specced ADV gallente and complex reps on two accounts. I'm not talking about putting a couple reps on my Minnie suit. (although minmatar logi is an armor suit... check the stats. not that it's relevant, because I've been talking about gallente this entire thread).
Then you have no idea of the meaning of balance.
I'm done arguing, you don't see the problem of armor having the same regen with at best 1/4th of the HP.
If armor tries to have the SAME hp, the regen is painfully slow. |
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