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HyperionsThunder
Onslaught Initiative
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Posted - 2013.06.12 16:50:00 -
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Everyone is always yelling at CCP for doing everything wrong, but I'm still having a blast playing this game. Dust is cutting edge in so many regards, granted there plenty of issues, but they are trying to reinvent the wheel to some extent.
I almost exclusively run a light DS (and pretty soon I think I'll be the only person running a proto light suit), and I don't feel like I'm getting killed too fast, or getting overpowered by unfair balancing issues. This isn't your typical shooter, so why do we keep expecting it to be? It might be blasphemy, but good work CCP! Thanks for giving us a different FPS.
After all, this is free to play. You don't need boosters to remain competitive, you just need to not suck. |
iceyburnz
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
685
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Posted - 2013.06.12 16:55:00 -
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I created an alt today, and for a beautiful moment there was a battle with everyone in militia gear. And the fight was balanced and viseral. We lost and ambush map 0 clones to 1 clone. The snipers where on the ground, there was close range fights between tanks and AV. No tower snipers, no tower tanks, no proto gear lamers.
And I thought to myself "this is what Dust 514 should feel like"
I recommend every vet should try this. Make an alt and get in instant battle acedemy. No fiddling with SP to try get an edge, just cast it all off and let your FPS skills guide you. Theres something very zen about it all.
Best day in Dust 514 since the closed beta. |
Onesimus Tarsus
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
346
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Posted - 2013.06.12 16:56:00 -
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HyperionsThunder wrote:Everyone is always yelling at CCP for doing everything wrong, but I'm still having a blast playing this game. Dust is cutting edge in so many regards, granted there plenty of issues, but they are trying to reinvent the wheel to some extent. I almost exclusively run a light DS (and pretty soon I think I'll be the only person running a proto light suit), and I don't feel like I'm getting killed too fast, or getting overpowered by unfair balancing issues. This isn't your typical shooter, so why do we keep expecting it to be? It might be blasphemy, but good work CCP! Thanks for giving us a different FPS. After all, this is free to play. You don't need boosters to remain competitive, you just need to not suck.
This is just assive-aggressive verbal abuse on the players, and it's old. "Yeah, it's laggy and broken and you advance glacially, but let's face it, that's YOUR fault, not CCP's. I know that I'm edgy and cool to go out on a limb and ignore CCP's failures, so love me, or you're a meanie loser who can't play."
Peddle it elsewhere, DEV alt. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
3616
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Posted - 2013.06.12 16:57:00 -
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You play the exact same game types day in and day out for a year without making any noticeable impact on either yourself, or new eden, and come back to me
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Onesimus Tarsus
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
346
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Posted - 2013.06.12 16:58:00 -
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iceyburnz wrote:I created an alt today, and for a beautiful moment there was a battle with everyone in militia gear. And the fight was balanced and viseral. We lost and ambush map 0 clones to 1 clone. The snipers where on the ground, there were close range fights between tanks and AV. No tower snipers, no tower tanks, no proto gear lamers.
And I thought to myself "this is what Dust 514 should feel like"
I recommend every vet should try this. Make an alt and get in instant battle acedemy. No fiddling with SP to try get an edge, just cast it all off and let your FPS skills guide you. Theres something very zen about it all.
Best day in Dust 514 since the closed beta.
This I agree with. Gear-chasing has ruined this game irrevocably. Let the imbalance come from tactics, not gear-mongering. |
Jin Robot
Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance
845
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Posted - 2013.06.12 16:59:00 -
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How dare someone post something that is not doom and gloom!! Its not a dev alt, its just not a whine thread. |
HyperionsThunder
Onslaught Initiative
4
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Posted - 2013.06.12 17:14:00 -
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Onesimus Tarsus wrote:HyperionsThunder wrote:Everyone is always yelling at CCP for doing everything wrong, but I'm still having a blast playing this game. Dust is cutting edge in so many regards, granted there plenty of issues, but they are trying to reinvent the wheel to some extent. I almost exclusively run a light DS (and pretty soon I think I'll be the only person running a proto light suit), and I don't feel like I'm getting killed too fast, or getting overpowered by unfair balancing issues. This isn't your typical shooter, so why do we keep expecting it to be? It might be blasphemy, but good work CCP! Thanks for giving us a different FPS. After all, this is free to play. You don't need boosters to remain competitive, you just need to not suck. This is just passive-aggressive verbal abuse on the players, and it's old. "Yeah, it's laggy and broken and you advance glacially, but let's face it, that's YOUR fault, not CCP's. I know that I'm edgy and cool to go out on a limb and ignore CCP's failures, so love me, or you're a meanie loser who can't play." Peddle it elsewhere, DEV alt.
I wish I was a Dev - it'd mean I would've had a chance to go to E3! :-P
I'm not trying to be passive aggressive or edgy. I'm just saying that some people will play TDM in COD for years and have no impact on anything. I think we are losing sight of what CCP is trying to do, and we are all freaking out that a free game isn't perfect. Gotta look at the bright side of things. Rome wasn't built in a day (and while the game has been around for a while, it's only been out of beta for a month). |
Onesimus Tarsus
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
348
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Posted - 2013.06.12 17:24:00 -
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Jin Robot wrote:How dare someone post something that is not doom and gloom!! Its not a dev alt, its just not a whine thread.
It is now. |
A'Real Fury
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
152
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Posted - 2013.06.12 17:34:00 -
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iceyburnz wrote:I created an alt today, and for a beautiful moment there was a battle with everyone in militia gear. And the fight was balanced and viseral. We lost and ambush map 0 clones to 1 clone. The snipers where on the ground, there was close range fights between tanks and AV. No tower snipers, no tower tanks, no proto gear lamers.
And I thought to myself "this is what Dust 514 should feel like"
I recommend every vet should try this. Make an alt and get in instant battle acedemy. No fiddling with SP to try get an edge, just cast it all off and let your FPS skills guide you. Theres something very zen about it all.
Best day in Dust 514 since the closed beta.
Yep did this on Monday and it was genuinely fun as everybody was on a pretty level playing field. It only lasted 10-12 games then I graduated. We need decent match making!! |
xXCleopatra FlippantXx
Silver Sand Social Club
7
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Posted - 2013.06.12 17:41:00 -
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Onesimus Tarsus wrote:HyperionsThunder wrote:Everyone is always yelling at CCP for doing everything wrong, but I'm still having a blast playing this game. Dust is cutting edge in so many regards, granted there plenty of issues, but they are trying to reinvent the wheel to some extent. I almost exclusively run a light DS (and pretty soon I think I'll be the only person running a proto light suit), and I don't feel like I'm getting killed too fast, or getting overpowered by unfair balancing issues. This isn't your typical shooter, so why do we keep expecting it to be? It might be blasphemy, but good work CCP! Thanks for giving us a different FPS. After all, this is free to play. You don't need boosters to remain competitive, you just need to not suck. This is just passive-aggressive verbal abuse on the players, and it's old. "Yeah, it's laggy and broken and you advance glacially, but let's face it, that's YOUR fault, not CCP's. I know that I'm edgy and cool to go out on a limb and ignore CCP's failures, so love me, or you're a meanie loser who can't play." Peddle it elsewhere, DEV alt.
haha, and how would the analysis be on your post with the same merrits? "ya I'm jusrt gonna bash this guy cuz I spotted a flaw in his argumentation that "I" see to advance a rant.. hmmm lets see, I'll call him passive agressive(that usually pisses them off) and generally be a mean sun of a gun, cuz i dont give a **** as long as it seems zen" well FU 2 man, -If this guy is running proto lights souts, well hell, he's gotta run around facing alot of game mechanichs and know what he+Šs talking about -he's not a dev alt(u silly boy) -I know cuz i feal much the same. I allso wanted to write something nice today Its valid to state something good in this jungle of misunderstandings. I allso like it when ppl are explisit about what they see as shortcomings. Maby you should just put that baseball bat down before you hurt someone, sir =D |
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Onesimus Tarsus
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
350
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Posted - 2013.06.12 18:15:00 -
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xXCleopatra FlippantXx wrote:Onesimus Tarsus wrote:HyperionsThunder wrote:Everyone is always yelling at CCP for doing everything wrong, but I'm still having a blast playing this game. Dust is cutting edge in so many regards, granted there plenty of issues, but they are trying to reinvent the wheel to some extent. I almost exclusively run a light DS (and pretty soon I think I'll be the only person running a proto light suit), and I don't feel like I'm getting killed too fast, or getting overpowered by unfair balancing issues. This isn't your typical shooter, so why do we keep expecting it to be? It might be blasphemy, but good work CCP! Thanks for giving us a different FPS. After all, this is free to play. You don't need boosters to remain competitive, you just need to not suck. This is just passive-aggressive verbal abuse on the players, and it's old. "Yeah, it's laggy and broken and you advance glacially, but let's face it, that's YOUR fault, not CCP's. I know that I'm edgy and cool to go out on a limb and ignore CCP's failures, so love me, or you're a meanie loser who can't play." Peddle it elsewhere, DEV alt. haha, and how would the analysis be on your post with the same merrits? "ya I'm jusrt gonna bash this guy cuz I spotted a flaw in his argumentation that "I" see to advance a rant.. hmmm lets see, I'll call him passive agressive(that usually pisses them off) and generally be a mean sun of a gun, cuz i dont give a **** as long as it seems zen" well FU 2 man, -If this guy is running proto lights souts, well hell, he's gotta run around facing alot of game mechanichs and know what he+Šs talking about -he's not a dev alt(u silly boy) -I know cuz i feal much the same. I allso wanted to write something nice today Its valid to state something good in this jungle of misunderstandings. I allso like it when ppl are explisit about what they see as shortcomings. Maby you should just put that baseball bat down before you hurt someone, sir =D
"Ditto" would have been shorter. And spared you the embarrassment of owning that rambling tripe you just thumbed into your iPhone.
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Stefan Stahl
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
114
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Posted - 2013.06.12 18:30:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:You play the exact same game types day in and day out for a year without making any noticeable impact on either yourself, or new eden, and come back to me I think the game is progressing nicely. The balancing has in many ways improved and I haven't come up on many technical hick-ups lately.
However, paradoxically, I believe one needs to stop caring about Dust before it gets fun. When you're trying to play competitively it's like a punishment straight out of a greek tragedy. |
Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
572
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Posted - 2013.06.12 19:22:00 -
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The game is fun when you play it for the game... not the SP or ISK. Run a cheap suit and have some fun for a change. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
3624
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Posted - 2013.06.12 19:25:00 -
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Stefan Stahl wrote:However, paradoxically, I believe one needs to stop caring about Dust before it gets fun. When you're trying to play competitively it's like a punishment straight out of a greek tragedy.
Hence why I smash my 70k gorgon into 1.5M Assault Dropships
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lordjanuz
Norwegian Dust514 Corporation
137
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Posted - 2013.06.12 19:28:00 -
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Where is the freedom , new maps, gamemodes , grinding grinding, not fun. |
CrotchGrab 360
Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
114
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Posted - 2013.06.12 19:50:00 -
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iceyburnz wrote:I created an alt today, and for a beautiful moment there was a battle with everyone in militia gear. And the fight was balanced and viseral. We lost and ambush map 0 clones to 1 clone. The snipers where on the ground, there was close range fights between tanks and AV. No tower snipers, no tower tanks, no proto gear lamers.
And I thought to myself "this is what Dust 514 should feel like"
I recommend every vet should try this. Make an alt and get in instant battle acedemy. No fiddling with SP to try get an edge, just cast it all off and let your FPS skills guide you. Theres something very zen about it all.
Best day in Dust 514 since the closed beta.
I was backing up a heavy/logi team moving tactically to intercept the enemy, a scout with nova knives runs ahead. just that feeling alone, the epic feeling of tactical team-based warfare with classes playing how they should and everybody playing to their role is how DUST should be played! |
xXCleopatra FlippantXx
Silver Sand Social Club
8
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Posted - 2013.06.12 20:12:00 -
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Onesimus Tarsus wrote:xXCleopatra FlippantXx wrote:Onesimus Tarsus wrote:HyperionsThunder wrote:Everyone is always yelling at CCP for doing everything wrong, but I'm still having a blast playing this game. Dust is cutting edge in so many regards, granted there plenty of issues, but they are trying to reinvent the wheel to some extent. I almost exclusively run a light DS (and pretty soon I think I'll be the only person running a proto light suit), and I don't feel like I'm getting killed too fast, or getting overpowered by unfair balancing issues. This isn't your typical shooter, so why do we keep expecting it to be? It might be blasphemy, but good work CCP! Thanks for giving us a different FPS. After all, this is free to play. You don't need boosters to remain competitive, you just need to not suck. This is just passive-aggressive verbal abuse on the players, and it's old. "Yeah, it's laggy and broken and you advance glacially, but let's face it, that's YOUR fault, not CCP's. I know that I'm edgy and cool to go out on a limb and ignore CCP's failures, so love me, or you're a meanie loser who can't play." Peddle it elsewhere, DEV alt. haha, and how would the analysis be on your post with the same merrits? "ya I'm jusrt gonna bash this guy cuz I spotted a flaw in his argumentation that "I" see to advance a rant.. hmmm lets see, I'll call him passive agressive(that usually pisses them off) and generally be a mean sun of a gun, cuz i dont give a **** as long as it seems zen" well FU 2 man, -If this guy is running proto lights souts, well hell, he's gotta run around facing alot of game mechanichs and know what he+Šs talking about -he's not a dev alt(u silly boy) -I know cuz i feal much the same. I allso wanted to write something nice today Its valid to state something good in this jungle of misunderstandings. I allso like it when ppl are explisit about what they see as shortcomings. Maby you should just put that baseball bat down before you hurt someone, sir =D "Ditto" would have been shorter. And spared you the embarrassment of owning that rambling tripe you just thumbed into your iPhone.
You really think ur inside that Amarr suit. Soon you'll be on about clensing the tripe. =D , btw, there you went again you assuming piece of', with the Iphone. why are you so ******* mean sir?, as long as you are I'll try and correct you. There is no good reason, we are all dustbrothers, as ghandi said <3 |
Terra Thesis
HDYLTA Defiant Legacy
121
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Posted - 2013.06.12 20:41:00 -
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Onesimus Tarsus wrote:Gear-chasing has ruined this game irrevocably.
then stop chasing gear. that's something you're choosing to do. and i agree with you, grinding and chasing gear is dumb. just relax and play for fun. or don't play - it's ok if you don't like it. but it's not a job, there's no reason to be complaining to ccp about things you are compelling yourself to do. |
Selinate deux
DUST University Ivy League
106
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Posted - 2013.06.12 20:48:00 -
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It's just a ******* grind right now
Why would I want to play? I've played with AV, I've played with vehicles, I've played with different dropsuits, and I've tried all different modes of gameplay. There's just nothing worth doing in Dust right now. They need to introduce worthwhile PvE content along with more stuff to do and more emergent gameplay. This game is stale now. The Uprising 1.2 looks stale to me, also, so I might log in to see it and then log back out.
To top it off, the gameplay isn't particularly fun when compared to other games like BF3, where playing the game itself (not just customizing your character) is incredibly in depth with so many options. Dust just doesn't have that. It's more of just running up and dodging a lot while you square off with someone.
So Dust is a game where you grind to get stuff, but that doesn't really qualify as an MMO. |
Onesimus Tarsus
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
354
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Posted - 2013.06.12 20:52:00 -
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Terra Thesis wrote:Onesimus Tarsus wrote:Gear-chasing has ruined this game irrevocably. then stop chasing gear. that's something you're choosing to do. and i agree with you, grinding and chasing gear is dumb. just relax and play for fun. or don't play - it's ok if you don't like it. but it's not a job, there's no reason to be complaining to ccp about things you are compelling yourself to do.
Play for fun. In a game that guarantees wins for gear chasers or is outright lying about its premise. And me having fun is a separate event from that being stupid. I do have fun, the game is stupid. |
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Terra Thesis
HDYLTA Defiant Legacy
121
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Posted - 2013.06.12 21:04:00 -
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i can only assume you've never tried playing without grinding, because it's absolutely false that losses are guaranteed. but I'm glad to hear you are happy. you've been sounding pretty upset over this videogame. |
First Prophet
Jaguar Elite
167
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Posted - 2013.06.12 21:11:00 -
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I tried to play the game for fun once, but then I got booted and got an error message. It said, "Dust514 is for gear chasers only, fun is for COD players." And then my console crashed.
When I logged in again I was negative two hundred million isk, and negative SP, and my comms were broke. |
Onesimus Tarsus
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
354
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Posted - 2013.06.12 21:13:00 -
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Terra Thesis wrote:i can only assume you've never tried playing without grinding, because it's absolutely false that losses are guaranteed. but I'm glad to hear you are happy. you've been sounding pretty upset over this videogame. And you seem unduly concerned over my emotional health. |
Onesimus Tarsus
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
354
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Posted - 2013.06.12 21:15:00 -
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Terra Thesis wrote:i can only assume you've never tried playing without grinding, because it's absolutely false that losses are guaranteed. but I'm glad to hear you are happy. you've been sounding pretty upset over this videogame. To the other point, if gear provides no clear advantage, why is it offered at all, and why do you have to work to acquire it? |
Templar Renegade119
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
43
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Posted - 2013.06.12 21:22:00 -
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Considering this games DCs as much as in closed beta has way to many errors and crap. **** vehicles. I prefer many games over this such as battlefront, or battlefield. Playing a game like this in closed beta was fine but if they change jack **** other than [INVALID], then i really see no point of this game. Tell me one way this game has improved other than graphics. |
Terra Thesis
HDYLTA Defiant Legacy
121
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Posted - 2013.06.12 21:39:00 -
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Onesimus Tarsus wrote:And you seem unduly concerned over my emotional health.
it's only a concern of mine insofar as you seem determined to dedicate all your time and wit to share your emotional suffering to the rest of us as much as possible. I'd be content to just never hear from you again, but even better would be if i witnessed you reaching true peace, without cynicism in your heart. not just the calm, controlled peace of a practiced sociopath.
as for edges, sure, they exist. they just don't guarantee a win. |
Onesimus Tarsus
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
355
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Posted - 2013.06.12 22:42:00 -
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Terra Thesis wrote:Onesimus Tarsus wrote:And you seem unduly concerned over my emotional health. it's only a concern of mine insofar as you seem determined to dedicate all your time and wit to share your emotional suffering to the rest of us as much as possible. I'd be content to just never hear from you again, but even better would be if i witnessed you reaching true peace, without cynicism in your heart. not just the calm, controlled peace of a practiced sociopath. as for edges, sure, they exist. they just don't guarantee a win.
I tried to ignore the heavy-handed insult and Catch-22 pseudo-psychology of that statement, but then I wondered, "Am I really a sociopath because of my storied stance on this video game?" Sooo, I looked it up.
Sociopath, n. a person with a psychopathic personality whose behavior is antisocial, often criminal, and who lacks a sense of moral responsibility or social conscience.
Nothing more criminal and anti-social than posting on a PS3 message board, I must agree. But thankfully, one of the light-crafters has extended their bejeweled hands into my pathetic muck and offered me "true peace". That is to say, a round acceptance of Dust 514 as a really fine video game that no one else has sought to criticize before my destructive arrival here in Candy Land.
Of course, my response has cemented me as emotionally crippled (nay, criminally so!) per the setup above, and so, you, great healer and sole voice of sanity in this fever-pitched battle, have won the set and match.
Back to the point: Either the gear that so many people grind for (or to CCP's hopes, pay for) gives a decided edge (and yes, I know, if you put proto gear on me it does little) or it is simply a ruse. Now, seriously, it's just a video game after all, right? Why not just let everyone have everything immediately and let the fun of using it ensue?
Because, intrepid reader, that is never once the advertised product! In fact, this particular company just released a video extolling the virtues of a game universe wherein the most criminal, cynical, and sociopathic (oh, how rich) behavior is not only tolerated, but is celebrated. It is the absolute ne plus ultra of EvE and DUST to get yourself in a position whereby betrayal nets the maximum damage, and then betray away.
In this light, CCP has already won. I mean, what's lousier than offering a video game, a form of incredibly light entertainment, and then loading it with such emotional baggage? Then stretch out the development with sundering flaws, reversal of values, and the fate of Tantalus himself, waiting for EvE integration that as of yet, just might as well be simulated.
So, again. Yes, I do occasionally have fun here, and I know that mindless fun is possible here, but isn't that contrary to the developers' goal? By merely accepting our lot in life, be it real or digital, haven't we missed CCP's point? Isn't this game at that point most like the teeming crowd that it seeks to separate itself from?
I am sorry that I cannot so blithely offer you true peace. Because I would rather have you, here, now, angry enough to change things than happy enough to be useless. |
Terra Thesis
HDYLTA Defiant Legacy
123
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Posted - 2013.06.12 23:25:00 -
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forgive me if your posting behavior caused me to think you simply wanted to ruin for everyone else what you weren't able to enjoy yourself. while i appreciate (even treasure) the kicking of sandcastles inside the game, i don't find it appropriate outside.
i certainly don't think this game is without serious flaws, and i certainly want change. but if this is your way of improving dust, it's been entirely cryptic to me thus far. i eagerly await the reveal of your long game. |
Benari Kalidima
The Restless Masquerade Hedonistic Imperative
3
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Posted - 2013.06.12 23:27:00 -
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iceyburnz wrote:I created an alt today, and for a beautiful moment there was a battle with everyone in militia gear. And the fight was balanced and viseral. We lost and ambush map 0 clones to 1 clone. The snipers where on the ground, there was close range fights between tanks and AV. No tower snipers, no tower tanks, no proto gear lamers.
And I thought to myself "this is what Dust 514 should feel like"
I recommend every vet should try this. Make an alt and get in instant battle acedemy. No fiddling with SP to try get an edge, just cast it all off and let your FPS skills guide you. Theres something very zen about it all.
Best day in Dust 514 since the closed beta. I think you'll be happy to hear that the new patch will do better matchmaking :) |
da GAND
187.
9
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Posted - 2013.06.12 23:44:00 -
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lordjanuz wrote:Where is the freedom , new maps, gamemodes , grinding grinding, not fun.
it'd be nice if we could walk out of our quarters that we've been stuck in since Dust 514 started, if the FW battles actually affected us, if we could do more than chat with EVE players and request OB from them but it's pointless to do that anyways since we have NPC OB that we can use, and if the game felt like it did in the E3 2011 trailer!! |
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