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          Nod Keras 
          SyNergy Gaming EoN.
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        Posted - 2013.06.09 23:52:00 -
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          Apologies at my ***** English 1st.
 
  Plz watch this video. it will dosent much take your time.
  This is the way "DUST 514 customer support team" help us.
 
  This is not a just only problem of that bug. Bug and DC is happen everyone and also in PC. DUST 514 customer support team will not help you. They will give a obvious lie to us and it didn't work, then shut there mouth. Same reacting on my another ticket. 
 
  Actually every DUST514 player already in this situation.  EVE's ddos reword was deployed quickly but what to us? Was that also due to a normal game mechanics?
 
 
 
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          Malkai Inos 
          Opus Arcana Orion Empire
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        Posted - 2013.06.10 00:01:00 -
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          Interesting, although since CCP said the sound was important i'd like to hear the game sound when the tank started to die. | 
      
      
      
          
          Allah's Snackbar 
          Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
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          You got the old "Logs show nothing".
  CCP's plausible deniability tactic that is a staple in EVE. I think everyone has been a victim of the logs.
  Now they will punish you for protesting.
  I hope you didn't spend any real cash. | 
      
      
      
          
          Xocoyol Zaraoul 
          Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
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        Posted - 2013.06.10 00:11:00 -
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          In an unrelated note, why does it seem like collision damage is so high for Gallente tanks compared to Caldari? It just seems like they run into the ground and take damage a lot more... | 
      
      
      
          
          Sgt Kirk 
          SyNergy Gaming EoN.
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        Posted - 2013.06.10 00:15:00 -
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          Ohh no Nod, CCP's going to get all Joseph Stalin on you and ban/lock you from DUST and the forums. 
  Beware, the impending, the great, perfect, all-knowing, CCP who can't make mistakes in any way. | 
      
      
      
          
          sammus420 
          Goonfeet
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        Posted - 2013.06.10 00:16:00 -
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          Malkai Inos wrote:Interesting, although since CCP said the sound was important i'd like to hear the game sound when the tank started to die.  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiUUcAezZJE&feature=youtu.be
  you can read the link that he sent to CCP in the email he shows. Here it is. | 
      
      
      
          
          Malkai Inos 
          Opus Arcana Orion Empire
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        Posted - 2013.06.10 00:19:00 -
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          Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote:In an unrelated note, why does it seem like collision damage is so high for Gallente tanks compared to Caldari? It just seems like they run into the ground and take damage a lot more...  Probably faulty clipping. I'm not a tanker myself but that one scene looked like tanks are made with only flat planes in mind.  
  The "the logs show nothing" is indeed a very discomforting reply but one has to keep in mind that we don't know what kind of data is saved for later analysis. I'd second the suggestion to escalate this petition, explaining the perceived inconsistencies. But try to be as polite and constructive as you can. Once you loose the senior GM that's it so you have only one attempt to make your case.
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          Ansiiis The Trustworthy 
          Seraphim Auxiliaries CRONOS.
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        Posted - 2013.06.10 00:20:00 -
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          Stay strong, my friend. | 
      
      
      
          
          Crash Monster 
          Snipers Anonymous
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          Waaaugh! My tank blew up. CCP, do something about it.
  No, wait, it must be some vast conspiracy.
  Come on, even if it was the ground, nobody really gives a crap. If I was customer support I sure as hell wouldn't hold your hand as you cried about your tank either.
  Installation, ground, or thirty guys sniping you at once, there is no need to bother looking at a log. You died. Get over it. | 
      
      
      
          
          ReGnYuM 
          Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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        Posted - 2013.06.10 00:21:00 -
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          Go to IA and get this GM spanked   | 
      
      
      
          
          Ansiiis The Trustworthy 
          Seraphim Auxiliaries CRONOS.
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        Posted - 2013.06.10 00:22:00 -
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          Lol at Zaria talking in the background. | 
      
      
      
          
          Xocoyol Zaraoul 
          Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
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          Malkai Inos wrote:Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote:In an unrelated note, why does it seem like collision damage is so high for Gallente tanks compared to Caldari? It just seems like they run into the ground and take damage a lot more...  Probably faulty clipping. I'm not a tanker myself but that one scene looked like tanks are made with only flat planes in mind.    
  As a tanker, I'm just unsettled that driving a Gallente frame across bumpy terrain rips my tank a new one and gives me a boatload of collision damage or even an ever-constant string of them, but for some reason the Caldari one suffers negligible damage unless I drive off a cliff.
  I'm very suspicious that the Gallente model is catching more against uneven terrain due to the weird bumps and "organic" structure then the sleeker Caldari model. | 
      
      
      
          
          Malkai Inos 
          Opus Arcana Orion Empire
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        Posted - 2013.06.10 00:26:00 -
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           Thank you, that's very interesting. There is indeed a distinct lack of the usual collision sounds before the destruction but at 1:42, just before the explosion i hear another sound that i recognise as a genade of some sorts. If a grenade has dealt damage to the tank just before the explosion, this could have led the log to show another player applying damage to the tank, thus explaining the statement issued in the reply. | 
      
      
      
          
          5tgbnm 
          Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire
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          Crash Monster wrote:Waaaugh! My tank blew up. CCP, do something about it.
  No, wait, it must be some vast conspiracy.
  Come on, even if it was the ground, nobody really gives a crap. If I was customer support I sure as hell wouldn't hold your hand as you cried about your tank either.
  Installation, ground, or thirty guys sniping you at once, there is no need to bother looking at a log. You died. Get over it.  
 
  Fanbois like you are actually hurting the game. | 
      
      
      
          
          Allah's Snackbar 
          Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
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        Posted - 2013.06.10 00:32:00 -
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          ReGnYuM wrote:Go to  IA and get this GM spanked    That's like hoisting a flag saying, "CCP, come get me!"
  CCP support doesn't like questions, escalations or IA involvement.
  Get on the radar of select people and you might as well head off to another game now. | 
      
      
      
          
          Iron Wolf Saber 
          Den of Swords
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        Posted - 2013.06.10 00:33:00 -
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          Suggestion to original poster of the thread.
  Reply to the ticket Request escalation to Senior GM. Do not post GM replies.  You can say what GM reply was but less detail.
  There is the chance your game stop receiving information from the server and gave you what you showed us on video The game server and everyone else playing could see different story. 
  While you wait on the ticket response, I will show the video to CCP Logic Loop to see if that spot can be fixed if it is a problem. | 
      
      
      
          
          Crash Monster 
          Snipers Anonymous
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        Posted - 2013.06.10 00:38:00 -
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          5tgbnm wrote:Crash Monster wrote:Waaaugh! My tank blew up. CCP, do something about it.
  No, wait, it must be some vast conspiracy.
  Come on, even if it was the ground, nobody really gives a crap. If I was customer support I sure as hell wouldn't hold your hand as you cried about your tank either.
  Installation, ground, or thirty guys sniping you at once, there is no need to bother looking at a log. You died. Get over it.  Fanbois like you are actually hurting the game.  
  This post is about CCP support... not whether or not there is an issue with ground problems. I'm crapping on the OP not defending the game mechanics. You've never died on terrain? I certainly have.. but I don't bother support about it. | 
      
      
      
          
          Iron Wolf Saber 
          Den of Swords
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          Crash Monster wrote:5tgbnm wrote:Crash Monster wrote:Waaaugh! My tank blew up. CCP, do something about it.
  No, wait, it must be some vast conspiracy.
  Come on, even if it was the ground, nobody really gives a crap. If I was customer support I sure as hell wouldn't hold your hand as you cried about your tank either.
  Installation, ground, or thirty guys sniping you at once, there is no need to bother looking at a log. You died. Get over it.  Fanbois like you are actually hurting the game.  This post is about CCP support... not whether or not there is an issue with ground problems. I'm crapping on the OP not defending the game mechanics. You've never died on terrain? I certainly have.. but I don't bother support about it.  
  Hell I've died running into a friendly player... most shooters dont bother giving friendlies or hostiles a collision model. | 
      
      
      
          
          Malkai Inos 
          Opus Arcana Orion Empire
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        Posted - 2013.06.10 00:46:00 -
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          Crash Monster wrote:5tgbnm wrote:Crash Monster wrote:Waaaugh! My tank blew up. CCP, do something about it.
  No, wait, it must be some vast conspiracy.
  Come on, even if it was the ground, nobody really gives a crap. If I was customer support I sure as hell wouldn't hold your hand as you cried about your tank either.
  Installation, ground, or thirty guys sniping you at once, there is no need to bother looking at a log. You died. Get over it.  Fanbois like you are actually hurting the game.  This post is about CCP support... not whether or not there is an issue with ground problems. I'm crapping on the OP not defending the game mechanics. You've never died on terrain? I certainly have.. but I don't bother support about it.  Well, conspiracy mongering and handholding aside. Raising attention to issues with terrain/clipping/lag/you name it that might result in the random destruction of 1.2m isk is, by itself, a sound objective and i think this is something that customer support is interested to know of, reimbursed or not.
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          ladwar 
          Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
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          hm... so the mighty ground wins and that's normal mechanic in the game. seems fair now if only infantry had this problem too, then it would be fair.  | 
      
      
      
          
          Crash Monster 
          Snipers Anonymous
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          Malkai Inos wrote:Well, conspiracy mongering and handholding aside. Raising attention to issues with terrain/clipping/lag/you name it that might result in the random destruction of 1.2m isk is, by itself, a sound objective and i think this is something that customer support is interested to know of, reimbursed or not.
   
  Sure, sounds like a good objective alright... but the whole OP was about conspiracy mongering not simply trying to let us all in on the secret that there are terrain issues.  
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          Malkai Inos 
          Opus Arcana Orion Empire
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          Crash Monster wrote:Malkai Inos wrote:Well, conspiracy mongering and handholding aside. Raising attention to issues with terrain/clipping/lag/you name it that might result in the random destruction of 1.2m isk is, by itself, a sound objective and i think this is something that customer support is interested to know of, reimbursed or not.
   Sure, sounds like a good objective alright... but the whole OP was about conspiracy mongering not simply trying to let us all in on the secret that there are terrain issues.    I agree, but i rather choose to ignore the parts i find unhelpfull and try to lead the OP into making this a constructive piece of intel for CCP. A perfect example of this going wrong was the possibly faulty heat mechanic of the scrambler rifle that was completely lost to the hiariously bad OP. This lead to ongoing personal attacks and killied any contructive discussion of a possibly important issue.
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          Crash Monster 
          Snipers Anonymous
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          Quote:I agree, but i rather choose to ignore the parts i find unhelpfull and try to lead the OP into making this a constructive piece of intel for CCP. A perfect example of this going wrong was the possibly faulty heat mechanic of the scrambler rifle that was completely lost to the hiariously bad OP. This lead to ongoing personal attacks and killied any contructive discussion of a possibly important issue.
   
  If the OP had any interest in a constructive thread it would have been very simple to create a thread designed for that purpose. That's my beef.
  Of course, we all want CCP to fix all the damned issues. | 
      
      
      
          
          Malkai Inos 
          Opus Arcana Orion Empire
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          Crash Monster wrote:Quote:I agree, but i rather choose to ignore the parts i find unhelpfull and try to lead the OP into making this a constructive piece of intel for CCP. A perfect example of this going wrong was the possibly faulty heat mechanic of the scrambler rifle that was completely lost to the hiariously bad OP. This lead to ongoing personal attacks and killied any contructive discussion of a possibly important issue.
   If the OP had any interest in a constructive thread it would have been very simple to create a thread designed for that purpose. That's my beef. Of course, we all want CCP to fix all the damned issues.   That is possibly true. It's now up to the OP to let this issue go either way. The reasonable aproach has been laid out to him. We'll see what he makes out of it. | 
      
      
      
          
          Nod Keras 
          SyNergy Gaming EoN.
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          ReGnYuM wrote:Go to  IA and get this GM spanked     Sorry but what is IA? | 
      
      
      
          
          ReGnYuM 
          Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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        Posted - 2013.06.10 01:35:00 -
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          Nod Keras wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Go to  IA and get this GM spanked    Sorry but what is IA?  
  Internal Affairs  | 
      
      
      
          
          Malkai Inos 
          Opus Arcana Orion Empire
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        Posted - 2013.06.10 01:39:00 -
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          Nod Keras wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Go to  IA and get this GM spanked    Sorry but what is IA?   It's the department supposed to monitor and check on CCPs employees. They are responsible for any game related misconduct, be it abuse of Dev privildges for ingame gains or faulty support. | 
      
      
      
          
          Nod Keras 
          SyNergy Gaming EoN.
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          Malkai Inos wrote:Thank you, that's very interesting. There is indeed a distinct lack of the usual collision sounds before the destruction but at 1:42, just before the explosion i hear another sound that i recognise as a genade of some sorts. If a grenade has dealt damage to the tank just before the explosion, this could have led the log to show another player applying damage to the tank, thus explaining the statement issued in the reply.   
  Maybe. But that also have problem. Watch this.  275 4564 4482 -357 3944 -538 3027 -917 2219 -808 1969 -250 1247 -722 536 -711 0
  this is what i captured damage from in that few frame.
  and MIT Forge damage is 1320. MIT SL 1320 also. AV nade in game real damage was 1079.
  and still have hit marker problem. If that was really hit me, then other hit marker will show up. but not was there. | 
      
      
      
          
          Nod Keras 
          SyNergy Gaming EoN.
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          Malkai Inos wrote:Nod Keras wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Go to  IA and get this GM spanked    Sorry but what is IA?  It's the department supposed to monitor and check on CCPs employees. They are responsible for any game related misconduct, be it abuse of Dev privildges for ingame gains or faulty support.   Thanks to inform | 
      
      
      
          
          Nod Keras 
          SyNergy Gaming EoN.
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          Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Suggestion to original poster of the thread.
  Reply to the ticket Request escalation to Senior GM. Do not post GM replies.  You can say what GM reply was but less detail.
  There is the chance your game stop receiving information from the server and gave you what you showed us on video The game server and everyone else playing could see different story. 
  While you wait on the ticket response, I will show the video to CCP Logic Loop to see if that spot can be fixed if it is a problem.  
 
  Yes it can be happen, but weird thing is Even in that lag, Voice chat was normality. That mean not problem of my ps3 internet connetion and also eve with the other things what need internet was well also. | 
      
      
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